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Gitsplitta wrote:30 gaunts and a hive guard. Tabled me by the end of HIS turn 2 (he went first, so I didn't even get 2 moves in).

Well, to me, Kill Team is all about "Elite Commandos" trying to outwit & defeat each other...
Sure, your kid probably chose that to have fun, but "cannon fodder spam" doesn't seem in line with the spirit of the expansion lol...
Still, it must have been a fearsome sight !

Next time, offer him to play with 35 guardsmen ? (PCS w/ 4 flamers + 3 Squads = 200pts )

San76 wrote:sounds awesome Ygg and the tau looked great on the battlefield. definitely got to get a game of this.

sorry to hear bout your match gits.

You have ! And you can even use your awesome IF bikes if you're inclined to

 Yggdrasil wrote:

Gitsplitta wrote:30 gaunts and a hive guard. Tabled me by the end of HIS turn 2 (he went first, so I didn't even get 2 moves in).

Well, to me, Kill Team is all about "Elite Commandos" trying to outwit & defeat each other...
Sure, your kid probably chose that to have fun, but "cannon fodder spam" doesn't seem in line with the spirit of the expansion lol...
Still, it must have been a fearsome sight !

Next time, offer him to play with 35 guardsmen ? (PCS w/ 4 flamers + 3 Squads = 200pts )

I had never thought about playing kill team like that. I suppose it's a way you can play it.

Looking good, especially loved the recon drone

Young Logan

Well, we had a re-match today. Different mission. I hid, then my half of turn 1 shot the Hive Guard to pieces. That evened things up quite a bit. From that point on it was a really good, interesting game. Hive Guard is just a game breaker... usually killing 1-2 marines every turn, doesn't need LOS, from the center of the table he can hit everything. Hard to take that when you only have 8 to start with.

Young_Logan wrote:

 Yggdrasil wrote:
Next time, offer him to play with 35 guardsmen ? (PCS w/ 4 flamers + 3 Squads = 200pts )

I had never thought about playing kill team like that. I suppose it's a way you can play it.

Looking good, especially loved the recon drone

Young Logan

Well, me neither... But I guess if you can take 30 gaunts, you might as well go overboard and spam lasguns too ? I'm pretty sure you'll see some random hateboys screaming about how "Kill Team iz broken - I can haz a horde of Guards" anytime soon
Thanks

Gitsplitta wrote:Well, we had a re-match today. Different mission. I hid, then my half of turn 1 shot the Hive Guard to pieces. That evened things up quite a bit. From that point on it was a really good, interesting game. Hive Guard is just a game breaker... usually killing 1-2 marines every turn, doesn't need LOS, from the center of the table he can hit everything. Hard to take that when you only have 8 to start with.

How can it kill more than 1 Marine a time ? What is his weapon ? No LOS seems pretty unfair for Kill Team indeed, where you want to use a lot of scenery to get cover, flank the enemy, etc...
And, even killed, you still had to deal with 30 gaunts.... Not that easy uh !

He gets two shots per turn, S8, doesn't need LOS and as a specialist with the split fire ability... he could go after 2 marines at the same time. My mistake though... I thought he was AP3 when he's only really AP4. Makes a big difference.

The 30 gaunts ended up finishing off all but one of my marines. We were both broken but had both forgotten about the break rolls, that might have given me a slight advantage over time. I managed to fail 5 consecutive saving throws in 1 turn (3 marines, 2 scout bikes), so I went from a comfortable situation to running for the hills, trying to save my last bike.

Oh yeah, Split Fire is tough ! I faced it yesterday from a Kabalite with his "Assault 4 / Heavy 6" poisoned rifle... 'twas pretty nasty !!!

As usual when it comes to Ld, ATSKNF gives indeed a huge advantage to the Marine player... Unless he faces a Fearless squad of Plague Marines, that is

The rules state pretty clearly that if you fail your LD that the figure is removed as a casualty. How does ATSKNF affect that?

ATSKNF allows you to re-roll the break test result

Also, the report was a good read, Yggs, finished reading it then.
Looked like a good game!

Matt gave the good reply, ATSKNF gives you a reroll on the Ld test !

As usual, Marines lead the way !

Ah! Very useful... I'll remember that.

 Gitsplitta wrote:
Ah! Very useful... I'll remember that.

Well, that is... if you REMEMBER the fact the "Force Broken" rule for a start


[Edit : I'll repost my thoughts on the new Tyranids here :

I restrained from the rumours for this release, so I had high expectations for this release !

And... I'm mildly disappointed by the new models, sadly...

Talks about Haruspex / Exocrine had my memories of Epic come to the fore, so even though I knew they probably do a "rebuild", I think they just look like upscaled Biovores :(

The Flyers are quite 2-dimensional, and they don't seem to be able to ever land (no small talons ? Come on), while their head just look like another Carnifex.

As for the Guards, I do like their new guns, but I preferred the old version :

Spoiler:

Until I see them "IRL", I'm not really psyched about them... Too bad !

]

Luckily, I just aquired & painted two of the old Hive Guard for Thing 2 for Christmas... so I don't have to worry about that. I haven't seen great pictures of the new models. If one of the big ones has good playing possibilities I can see actually taking my time and doing one as a birthday gift or something... but the Nids have never spoken to me as models, so to my eye... one is much like any other.

 Gitsplitta wrote:
Luckily, I just aquired & painted two of the old Hive Guard for Thing 2 for Christmas... so I don't have to worry about that. I haven't seen great pictures of the new models. If one of the big ones has good playing possibilities I can see actually taking my time and doing one as a birthday gift or something... but the Nids have never spoken to me as models, so to my eye... one is much like any other.

Well, I'm sure the new monsters offer some welcome flexibility to a Tyranid Army (FMC other than a Winged Tyrant ? Yes please ), so that won't be a worry lol... Lucky you about the old Hive Guards too !

Okay, still no time for the second Kill Team batrep, so I'll just show you the table... And the setting : since we were 3, we played with 2 Kill Teams per side : my friends had Plague Marine & Dark Eldar teams, while I took two squads from my Night Stalkers (DA) army, and turned them into commandos. One Tactical Squad acting as a garrison, and a Ravenwing Attack Squadron as the rescue team !


As you can see, I've painted three other tiles to go along my Armies on Parade board... What do you guys think of them ?

As for the WIP, I've eventually finished the Rhino / Land Raider craters ! So here they are, in the test colours of the future Star Phantoms

Rhino crater, before sponge weathering & scorching :


Rhino crater, finished :


Land Raider crater, finished :


As for what's next, I'm still undecided... I have my Tau army to continue (there's one Broadside, 10 Kroots & 3 Stealth Suits waiting to get done ), my Star Phantoms Kill Team to begin, and I'd seriously like to start building some scenery... I've got more than my share of WH40k buildings on sprues, including a Fortress of Redemption, and I received yesterday a Fortified Manor & Chapel for WFB, that I intend to use as bases for a Mordheim battlefield...

Choices, choices...

Yup thats an awesome bit o terrain yggs!! Nice work. Looks like fun to play on
Kill team seems fun. Is it?? So many ideas bounce around that are unrealistic for full sized armies but seems like kill team is just right for em!

That crater looks ace, Yggs. Fantastic job!

 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Yup thats an awesome bit o terrain yggs!! Nice work. Looks like fun to play on
Kill team seems fun. Is it?? So many ideas bounce around that are unrealistic for full sized armies but seems like kill team is just right for em!

Its nice from both a game standpoint and modeling standpoint.

Games take an hour or less (maybe not if you did giant blobs and your opponent did too), and have a nice tempo.

Modeling and painting, you can dip your toes into armies before going full blast, or build multiple armies, without much issue. You can also give each model a ton of attention, as most armies have ~7-14 models.

Board looks awesome Ygg, must be nice to play on. Much more cinematic

Matt.Kingsley wrote:That crater looks ace, Yggs. Fantastic job!

Thanks Matt I might have put too much work on them (like, weathering the decals, or the Devastator symbol on the blasted doors, but hey ! )

whalemusic360 wrote:

 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Yup thats an awesome bit o terrain yggs!! Nice work. Looks like fun to play on
Kill team seems fun. Is it?? So many ideas bounce around that are unrealistic for full sized armies but seems like kill team is just right for em!

Its nice from both a game standpoint and modeling standpoint.

Games take an hour or less (maybe not if you did giant blobs and your opponent did too), and have a nice tempo.

Modeling and painting, you can dip your toes into armies before going full blast, or build multiple armies, without much issue. You can also give each model a ton of attention, as most armies have ~7-14 models.

Thanks for the table, and YEAH KILL TEAM IS FUN !!!

As you & WM mentioned, that's the perfect format to give life to your craziest conversion / paint schemes ideas, as you only have to repeat it on less than 15 models ! And it plays more quickly (though WM's "1Hour" seems a bit short to me, especially if you include the preparation... But yeah that's quick !

San76 wrote:Board looks awesome Ygg, must be nice to play on. Much more cinematic

Yes indeed, as it's my first battleground, I'm especially proud of it... Now I'm pondering whether to add more "blended in", fixed scenery or not (trenches, buildings, wrecks, etc... )

Thank you guys for the kind words ! It means a lot !

I like the fact that they have actual debris in the crater. More realism. Nice Job!.

Lovely, lovely boards! really should finish mine

That crater looks great, good job!

Lovely crater.

Nice variation to your mud/dirt tones and good work on the battered and scratched tank pieces.

, thank you guys for the kind words !

Solar_lion wrote:I like the fact that they have actual debris in the crater. More realism. Nice Job!.

Well, that was the point actually : to use the craters as additional scenery when someone scored an "Explosion" result on the vehicle damage chart... But, speaking about realism, there would be much more debris (many?) if a real vehicle exploded
I just ain't ready (yet) to sacrifice a complete Rhino or Land Raider to serve as a wreck

inmygravenimage wrote:Lovely, lovely boards! really should finish mine

Yeah you should ! The GW RoB boards are quite simple to paint... It only took me 3-4 hours for the remaining three 24x24" boards !

Glaiceana wrote:That crater looks great, good job!

Thanks, and welcome to the Plog

Gitsplitta wrote:Lovely crater.

Thanks Art... Still got power in there ?

Dr H wrote:Nice variation to your mud/dirt tones and good work on the battered and scratched tank pieces.

I tried to keep it simple to be able to do it again easily... So that's 4 actual-range colours from GW : Dryad, Gorthor, Baneblade, Ushabti ! Thanks !

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Update time : I continued working on scenery.... Here are a few WIP shots !









Still not done yet, I still have add seven Nurglings to the piece to play it as a part of the Garden of Nurgle !

I'm also considering two things :
- turn one of the craters into a "pond" or "puddle", with GW's water (so that the Nurglings can squabble and play and bathe ) ;
- add OSL to the "eyes" of the trees, to further the daemonic feel...

What do you think about those ?

Also, tomorrow I'm spending my day off on a 6000pts-per-side Apocalypse game... The Night Stalkers will be defending a Huuuuuuge fortress, alongside some Imperial Fists, a Stormlord and a Shadowsword, against 2 Stompas, a Lord of Skulls, a Warhound and their associated hordes !

I'll post pics of the gigantic table my friend Denis has been working on tirelessly for years... It was worth the wait !
Wish me luck

Sounds like your going to be having lots of fun tomorrow, lots of pics are a must and of course good luck.

What's this about the trees having eyes, never new that but then I haven't seen that piece of scenery up real close, I like the idea of nurglings playing in a crater pool.

That looks terrific Yggs! Be a real pleasure to play on a board done up like that! Power, heat, water... all good here!

Wow! Really, really grimy.

Hey mates, just too exhausted to post anything more than one pic... But it should be enough to express how thrilling the day was !

So, without further rambling, here's the battlefield we played on today (made single-handedly by my friend Denis) :



G'night all

That's a very nice looking board!
I would love to get my realm of battle to the standard of your board and your friends!

So epic thread Yggs!!