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I don't use the channels in the Necromunda bulkheads on any of my projects. I cut and sand off ALL of the tabs on the bulkheads and glue the plasticard directly to the top of the flat part of the plastic bulkhead. Otherwise it's too flimsy in the channel for my tastes, too easy to disconnect. I do not intend on ever taking these apart, these are permanent terrain pieces intended to hold up for gaming.


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I've just had two games of Necromunda tonight and thought I'd check you (read terrain) out before bed. I really envy you not having to flat pack your terrain.

The curved tunnels look really good and would be ace to play over. The only question I have is how you're planning on actually integrating them into your games/table? What is the incentive of moving into a tunnel with a lack of cover?

i´d say either objectives to be holded to get access above ground and such likes...

Simple, tunnels run under very dangerous terrain features. Like nasty liquids or crystal spider infested zones.

um...because it will look cool? lol

I dunno, I just cleaned a rack of ribs and washed it down with several Oktoberfests /burp.

So. My day started very nciely, and then went rapidly down hill. So, I'm going to make myself feel better by showing off some terrain bitz that I have been hoarding.



Neener.

Neener.

--B.

Also, WRT to the curved tunnel pieces, I think the floor should be 2" wide, and the ceiling should only curve over to form a 'lip' of about 1" wide. In that way, if you were to run this along the edge of a table, fingers would fit into the 'tunnel'. I also agree with some commenters that there should be a purpose, such as by-passing something nasty. However, the fact that your opponent will be aware of your tunnel movement means that the tunnels will quickly become a deathtrap. So, I'd suggest having two 'tunnels' from either end of the board leading into a larger room or complex, presuming you go with the idea of having the tunnels run along the edge of a board, sub-surface.

My $0.02.

OMG that stuff looks awesome, whatever it is!! I want it! lol

Man i totally see what you mean. This is bugging me too. THis kind of indecision on my part is just stalling the whole works. I really want to make this work, but the construction of the plywood support is crucial if this is gonna work. That is the one thing I can't seem to make anyone understand. I can't have different width tunnels and have the structure support stay intact. I cannot have 1 inch top of tunnels and 2 inch lower platforms, it will just look like a stupid box when it's done, not a tunnel. The entire illusion of a tunnel is all dependant on it actually looking like a tunnel, meaning a hemispherical brickwork inside a square box.

I may not be able to pull this one off I'm afraid.


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This looks stupid. I'm not going to do this if it is going to look stupid.

I agree with you that your mockup shows us that design is truly sub-optimal. I think I'm going to have to build my own mock-up or sketch to show what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

--B

Build it like that, but put the top piece so that the wall is in it's middle. More like how the top was done originally, while keeping the bottom like this. That will give you half the ceiling and more playable surface. Does that help at all or is that an old idea at this point?

I also find stippling a very good way to achieve weathering but is easy to over do it .like that terrain piece by the way

I think the concept is really good Dstein but for me the problem is the barrel vault section is too small, and the curve needs to project over the top more.

hope that makes sense.

Is this tunnel going to be viewed from the side or from the end if its from open side i would make it same as the other side and have break away maybe pile some rubble on inside path

Really liking the new subway tunnels, its cool to see how precise you are when creating your architecture, thanks for the tut i know it will come in handy at some point.

i can just imagine this beast rolling into an underground mechanicus station , probably late though and no space left





http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=900006&pIndex=7&aId=6700007&multiPageMode=true&start=8

Thanks guys, but it is a simple matter of physics that we have here.


At first I made the I-shaped box, giving a 1.5" tunnel.

Then everyone insisted that I need 2" of walkway, so I constructed the 3" box with the 2" platform.

Then everyone likes the 1" tunnel better. Now it is suggested that I give it 2" of platform and only 1.5" of tunnel radius:



THE PLYWOOD BOX is either 3 inches deep or 1.5 inches deep depending on how you construct it. I-Shaped or U-Shaped

Modeling a full tunnel might look cool but it is completely impractical for gaming since you can't move a mini! SO we MUST model a cross-section of a tunnel.

With a 3" box this will only look right with a 3" radius tunnel. (as seen by the mock-ups) YOU CAN NEVER EVER EVER fit a 2" walkway into a 1.5" box! It just cannot happen, 2" CANNOT fit into 1.5" of space! Does ANYONE get this?

And trains are wonderful ideas, but these are NOT train tunnels, they are just simple sewer tunnels. This whole thing is turning out to be a complete failure of an idea precisely because it needs explaining! And train tunnels are are never going to happen unless some standard way of constructing the tunnels THAT WORKS is arrived at.

So please, forget about trains, subways, stations, damaged sections, caved-in sections etc.for the time being, none of this is going to happen on any scale if the idea of the playable tunnel from the board edges doesn't work in the first place.

Mate, you are doing a great job. If the wider tunnel works, it would get my vote purely as it provides you with more space.
However you are the one making this and the best placed to decide on the practicalities of build. Whatever the result the rest of 'us' are going to drool over it.

i think the 3" section would also mean you loose too much structural integrety... meaning you might get RL cave ins and that is the least we want to happen to such a cool concept!

tell you what... do the 1.5" section as you started from the beginning... deathtrap or no... we have to remeber it can work ingame both ways so this would only exploited in the first game... in later games the learning curve would show the players that you have to adopt to counterstrategies... so narrow tunnels are a go! some times i just have to have a good nights sleep about such a problem. did i make myself clear here?

cheers vik...

and mate we don´t question your abilities no way here we just like to dream with you an unbelievable dream and you make it happen! so make it happen the way you see fit!

Where are these from and can you still get them ?

Briancj wrote:So. My day started very nciely, and then went rapidly down hill. So, I'm going to make myself feel better by showing off some terrain bitz that I have been hoarding.



Neener

Viktor von Domm wrote:some times i just have to have a good nights sleep about such a problem. did i make myself clear here?

Hahaha! I guess so. Being up at 4:00 am this morning bitching about my frustration about it it to the interent was probably NOT the best way to solve the problem then eh?

only takked about me mate...
what we all have to remind ourselves here is that you are the man at the desk doing all these wonders... of course we would love to see all the things we mentioned here but you have to be able to build them with what you ahve atm... so it is ultimatly your choice and decision...i think the thing with the train was just overenthusiasm... it tends to happen on the net... and then the written word thing... oh so many ways to misinterpret... i think you are doing a really good job here and keep us amazed... sometimes it takes us beyond good measures and this is when we crack^^

sleep was good for me to realize that some things are to be taken as they are... and realizing what really looks good... the things we are able to do and not hunt after undoable deeds... that gets us just frustrated and if we keep on trucking in that direction we begin to dislike the hobby... heavens forbid this so...to make a long rant not much shorter... i wuld love to see your 1.5" tunnels and be there when you fill it with life!

Thanks Vik and Ash! I'm just wanting to get this to look "right".

I am off to deal with family and a funeral, so I won't have much to show over the next few days. Feel free to debate or derail in my absence if you wish. Just make sure to remember to brush your teeth, floss, and make rivets.

not necessarily in that order right... riveting always comes first....

stay sharp mate! we will await your return on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn we will look to the west...

haha im sure the derailing will happen

as they say pic or it doesn´t happen...well i jumped the gun it seems...:

Is that the train going into dstein's tunnel....?

I leave for a week, and there are 10 MORE PAGES to go through! I will have to go throught the last 9 pages later, I have an office to move. But as always, what I have seen just blows me away. If there is something even more amazing in the last 9 pages, I'll comment on it later. It will be like a bad movie that is flashing back to a scene that no longer makes sence, but that's the best I can do. Keep up the amazing work, always looking forward to more.

i dont think the thread will be that off, dstein talks about rivets and i dont doubt that will keep going on

well i heard an old saying... a man is not gone so long his name gets to be heard... so let us utter dsteins name in his absence... he is the welder and the riveter!^^

I am curious, who makes those character figures you have there? The pimp and his "ladies." Also the fellow with the righteous afro.

he mentioned it somewhere during the thread... and he is absent so likley no answer there from him anytime soon...

Haha, I forgot it was 2011 and I can read dakka from my phone wherever I am. Especially in a funeral home

Both figures are from Reaper's Chronoscope line. It's just a bunch of characters from different time periods, I am not aware of any specific rule set or fluff they belong to, just always the coolest minis from Reaper. I of course removed their puny life-sized weapons and gave them properly pinned oversized 40k pistols.

Yep, My thread and I are both trainwrecks!

Hey, look what I picked up today while popping into a hobby shop?

It looks like my Catachans just got a new Artillery Regiment!

A quick look at the endless possibilities of the sprues. Everything is of course HUGE at 1:32 but 40k scale is big anyways.






Funny how those grunts are lacking any radioactive gear.
This was actually built by the US Army in the 1950s.
The strategy seems so bizzare now, but they ACTUALLY thought they could launch small tactical nukes and then march troops right in afterwards to mop up!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M65_Atomic_Cannon