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 Mr_Rose wrote:
On the other had, those are mountains marked on the Parch map and, while I doubt individual peaks are ‘accurately’ represented, they do help figure out a rough scale – unless they are being deliberately contrary of course.
That basically makes the Parch a minimum of about three times the size of Ulthuan and could be up to twenty times. Either way, it does make Aqshy vastly larger than the Old World, by an order of magnitude at least.

We do have much more accurate map, though, and seeing there are only like 3 cities on it Parch could be even as small as Empire province, no problem. Especially that red mountain in the middle seriously limits its size:

Well Hammerhal itself is vast - the size of a small country IIRC

Cities are rarer at the moment as few survived the Age of Chaos and/or have been written about - this is changing.

Cities that get mentioned, like Hammerhal, are also mega-cities. Huge fortifications and bastions against Chaos.

There are many smaller kingdoms and cities and settlements that just go unmentioned in the lore at present. They are nameless and locationless settlements that might have hidden or held out during the Age of Chaos or only been born in the time after the arrival of the Stormcast.


The time is a very hard issue to pin down because the lore stories jump around as to when they are set. Clearly since the Realmwars there have been multiple human generations and it seems even at least one or more full generations of dwarf. Aelves are harder because they live for insane numbers of years.

Human wise I'd say there's been at least a few hundred years. Enough time for many of these cities to have been built/rebuilt and to have reached a stage where those dwelling within do not remember the Age of Chaos. Of course when you consider that its not even been 100 years since World War 2 and you already cannot find much overt evidence for it in the landscape of many nations (though bombs still turn up in farmers fields in some European countries). However for vast cities to grow and for even things like Stormcast to be near a myth in some regions suggests a good few hundred years.

Yep

There are cities in the novels that are now getting mentions in the Battletomes or WD articles etc such as Izelend

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Izalend

Cities of Sigmar notes that just the poor population of Hammerhal is in the millions - Even Ancient Rome only had about a million at its greatest and that was not matched in Western Europe for a long time.

It's roughly 150 years give or take based on information in the BL books. AoS is heroic fantasy, so everything's REAL BIG. I mean, Hammerhal Aqshy built a lava-moat and directed it through the realmgate to Ghyran to stop plantlife from overgrowing the other side of the city.

As for size of realms, it's said it would take roughly a lifetime of a person to walk from one edge of a realm to another, assuming of course they could last a second in the raw magic of the outer edge of the realms. That's significantly larger than Earth, which you really need a few years at most to walk around the landmass of.

Cronch wrote:
It's roughly 150 years give or take based on information in the BL books. AoS is heroic fantasy, so everything's REAL BIG. I mean, Hammerhal Aqshy built a lava-moat and directed it through the realmgate to Ghyran to stop plantlife from overgrowing the other side of the city.

As for size of realms, it's said it would take roughly a lifetime of a person to walk from one edge of a realm to another, assuming of course they could last a second in the raw magic of the outer edge of the realms. That's significantly larger than Earth, which you really need a few years at most to walk around the landmass of.

How hard would a lava moat even be? Pay a few fyreslayer priests and they can easily control the magma

Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.

That's what we need. Wyterslayers. The tiny allies of the Deepkin. Or Fireaelves. Which I actually want to convert one day, so hopefully GW won't release a far superior looking army

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.

That's what we need. Wyterslayers. The tiny allies of the Deepkin. Or Fireaelves. Which I actually want to convert one day, so hopefully GW won't release a far superior looking army

Well, Court of the Blind King is apparently introducing the Valay(half squid, half-duardin) into the lore so...

With regards to the whole 'lava moat' thing:
Remember that Hammerhal is the 'city of two realms'. Half of it is in Ghyran(Realm of Life), half in Aqshy. The halves are connected through a massive, open Realmgate. Fyreslayers and Collegiate Arcane redirected lava flows through the gate in Aqshy to form said moat in Ghyran.
Highly suggest anyone interested in reading about it check pgs 12+13 in Cities of Sigmar.

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.

That's what we need. Wyterslayers. The tiny allies of the Deepkin. Or Fireaelves. Which I actually want to convert one day, so hopefully GW won't release a far superior looking army

Everything was fine, and then the Fireaelves attacked.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Well Hammerhal itself is vast - the size of a small country

If it has millions of inhabitants, it can't be size of small country. Ancient Rome had over million and it was pretty small. Either it has billions of inhabitants, or is the size of San Marino sized country at best.

Ditto with the mountain, there is actually hard limit how big mountains can be on Earth (less than 10 km). Any higher and it starts to fall apart as the rock can't resist stresses pulling it apart. And that's regular mountain, not much weaker volcano. Even if you were to make it from superhard rock, at that point it would start sinking in the crust, if not pierce it outright.

Higher mountains are possible, but they require weaker gravity, like on Mars, and even then making tall, sharp mountain is impossible - the 20 km tall volcano on Mars is more of a small plateau, stretching hundreds of km to the sides to support its height even in the pitiful gravity and rock solid surface of Mars...

There are loads of countries that don't have billions of people.

London is the size of a small country and easily has 10million or more living within it and that's with high rise buildings and modern infrastructure

Ah yes, the gravity and physics of a flat disc where mountains theoretically couldn't form much because there is no tectonics since it has nothing beyond the crust. That's the real limiting factor in how large the mountains can be in a setting where if you get too close to the edge of the world you can get pregnant, turn into a tree and flock of butterflies all at the same time

Don't make me go looking for Diskworld science to justify all this.


Interestingly, long before he wrote the colour of magic, TP did write a short story about a sci-fi based diskworld.

First Pratchett book I actually read, needless to say I was quite confused by lack of continuity with his actual Discworld series at first!

First one I was was Darkside of the Sun and to this day I seem to be one of the exceptional few who has read it compared to the legions who have read the Diskworld books. Which is odd because he even got several covers of it done with the same Diskworld art style.

One of the things that first attracted me to AOS was how similar some of it is to the discworld. Ankh Morpork is a city that could easily exist in the mortal realms.

So, Skaven Christmas box
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Corrupting-War-Swarm-2019

It doesn't show up in any of the group shots, but if you scroll through the images there are randomly pictures (painted: 3rd picture in second row and sprue: 3rd picture first row of third set) of the finecast version of Lord Skrolk (now just a 'plague priest')

But the box itself and the group photo just shows the alternate sculpt from the Screaming Bell/Plague Furnance

Anyone know what's going on here, did they really plop a Finecast Skrolk model in each of these boxes? Or just a random error with incorrect pictures?

Going by the description I think you do not and they accidentally included the wrong plague priest for the individual images.

Confusion with the Plague Furnace Plague Priest seems the logical explanation, although it's interesting they have the sprue picture of the finecast boy.
They don't typically have the sprue pictures of those anywhere, and the actual listing in the webstore does indeed not have it in this case either.

Next weeks releases

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/01/coming-soon-chaos-cults-ogre-teams-war-in-rohan-and-more/

Slaves to Darkness



Warcry Warbands are just doubled in size.



Aos Terrain

I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.

Cataphract wrote:
I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.

I'd be surprised, I'd wager those are the rules they will get, same for their current points value. The only thing that will change is going to be based on allegiance abilities within Slaves to Darkness.

GW wrote:You’ll get nine updated Chaos Warriors, plus a Champion, five mounted Chaos Knights, a stunning Chaos Lord mounted on a Karkadrak and a Chaos beast we’ve never seen before.

So I'm guessing this is just an awkwardly worded way of saying that the "Karkadrak" is the "Chaos beast we've never seen before"?

I wonder if the two missing bands of warcry will come in the codex

Tim the Biovore wrote:

GW wrote:You’ll get nine updated Chaos Warriors, plus a Champion, five mounted Chaos Knights, a stunning Chaos Lord mounted on a Karkadrak and a Chaos beast we’ve never seen before.

So I'm guessing this is just an awkwardly worded way of saying that the "Karkadrak" is the "Chaos beast we've never seen before"?

Yeah because they don't show any other model even in the cover-photo for the boxed set, which would be very abnormal for GW. It's juts some bad wording

zamerion wrote:I wonder if the two missing bands of warcry will come in the codex

Well Spire Tyrants have already been previewed as coming early next year. So I'd expect to see them and the new beasties appearing in the Battletome. GW appears a bit less neurotic about having stuff in Battletomes/Codex without models on sale - as long as they've something going on sale "soon" in their ilne up. Just look at how they've left nearly a year without releasing the new Skaven or Flesh Eaters models to general retail releases.

TWO FEMALE OGRES. OMG. They look great, specially the one with the valkiria braids.

 Overread wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.

I'd be surprised, I'd wager those are the rules they will get, same for their current points value. The only thing that will change is going to be based on allegiance abilities within Slaves to Darkness.

I'd hope they tweak them a little. There are a couple alternate builds that can't be used because one version 'must' be present for every 8/9 models. In the case of the iron golems, its the standard bearer, which is pretty pointless thing to have multiples of.
Plus they're uneven, with variations in attacks, wounds, and special rules- some have distinct roles, others are pretty meh.

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.

I'd be surprised, I'd wager those are the rules they will get, same for their current points value. The only thing that will change is going to be based on allegiance abilities within Slaves to Darkness.

I'd hope they tweak them a little. There are a couple alternate builds that can't be used because one version 'must' be present for every 8/9 models. In the case of the iron golems, its the standard bearer, which is pretty pointless thing to have multiples of.

The photo of the Iron Golems box shows one Signifier, and one of the alternate build. I'd assume that means they've tweaked it.

One SC and Grot Bommers or two SCs