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LightKing wrote:
Does anyone feel that it seems too soon that Magnus is forgiving Ahriman

wish there was more build up to Magnus evnetually forgiving him

These are followers of the master manipulator. You really think either of them are playing it straight and are not going to feth one another over the first chance they get?

LightKing wrote:
Does anyone feel that it seems too soon that Magnus is forgiving Ahriman

wish there was more build up to Magnus evnetually forgiving him

10,000 years+ change is a lonnng time.

Welp, looks like the Legion Codex is for real - never thought I'd see the day! - so maybe the Imperial Agents are on the way after all.

What I'm not clear on with Traitor Legions is the image appears to show the two new Tzeentch blues directly underneath it.

Now, Atia happily spoiled a bunch of stuff, those paints included, so why hold back on the book?

If the Imperial agents book is real, hopefully the inclusion of the SoB is more of a preview than them getting relegated from a full codex faction.

 Fishboy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But guys! The Traitor Legions are all broken up. They shouldn't get special rules. Meanwhile Loyalist Chapter #11s-D just got their own Chapter Tactics! Wooo!



Nah! Screw that. Legion Rules! YAY!

As far as the Imperial Agents go... hey Kyoto, 'member this:

Spoiler:

In that there was an Imperial Agents army list. It had Assassins, Grey Knights, Sisters, Ad Mech, Adeptus Astra Telepathica and so on. Looks like it's back.

That castle looks like an angry sponge bob heheh

So I'm not the only one!

Before Spongebob was a thing it was this guy from my hometown for me (he can open his mouth):



Or a comic rabbit.

Seriously hyped for the Traitor Legions book.

Maybe now my all FW Death Guard army can be something more than horribly generic Nurgle Marked terminators etc.

Props to GW for dropping this on all of us out of the blue.

Agents of the Imperium makes sense - it lets them scrape the dataslates for Inquisition, Sisters of Battle and Assassins, lets them put the rules for Sisters of Silence and Custodes into an actual book and make it so an Imperial player isn't lugging around either 4 dataslates or 3 supplements and 2 white dwarfs for their options. Nice, neat and tidy. Makes perfect sense as it also means you're not hosed if you missed a WD issue or don't want to lug things along on a tablet or phone.

Traitor Legions - HNNNNNNNNNNNNG. I have Traitor's Hate. I am remarkably disappointed in it as the structure fluffwise doesn't fit my Death Guard at all, the formations force me to dip into things that don't fit lorewise and it still plays too heavily on (imho) the worst aspects of the CSM codex - the random boon table and mandatory challenges.

So to see Legion specific detachments, artefacts, traits...hnnnng. Yes. Please. Please give me a detachment that makes my 4 Plague Marine Squads, 2 Plague Terminator squads, 2 Plague Lords (inc. Typhus), Sorcerer, Rhinos and Land Raider feel loved again. Please let me actually have Plague Terminators rather than incredibly fancy models that look beautiful but could just as easily be represented by painting normal CSM Terminators green and adding rust effects.

I love the sheer amount of releases for Thousand Sons. I love it.

It's very much a callback to the release schedules of 3rd edition where you got a good few months of releases for an army rather than 2 boxes and call it a day....




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GoatboyBeta wrote:
If the Imperial agents book is real, hopefully the inclusion of the SoB is more of a preview than them getting relegated from a full codex faction.

Unless the supplement includes more than enough for you to make them a valid army. Remember, Witch Hunters and the original SoB had Confessors, Inquisitors, Militia etc - so this could all be stuff represented by various parts of this supplement. I mean, if Traitor Legions is going to have the Thousand Sons stuff...well, we've literally got at least 3 new units and an update in there so it makes sense that both books see similar padding and fluffing.

Okay, now I want to see the backs of the boxes. If there's alternate builds (such as CC Rubricae), that's where they're putting them these days.

I hope they keep/update the CSM codex so that I can use these amazing models alongside my hordes of cultists. My army is just a sorcerer and 60 cultists.

shade1313 wrote:
Also of interest. The terminators are labelled as Scarab Occult, not as Rubric Terminators. Scarab Occult in 30k, by the fluff, at least, all seem to have been accomplished sorcerers, none below the level of Philosophus, per A Thousand Sons. The fluff book that accompanied the BoP box game describes a regular squaddie of the Scarab Occult as having come from the Pyrae, throwing pyromancy around in battle. Specifically, also, it describes the weapons of the Scarab Occult being psychic in nature.

Brotherhood of Psykers? Something different, and more individualized? Something ported over from whatever the rules in Inferno are going to be?

Very excited to find out rules. Hope they don't just make Scarab Occult into Rubricae with heavier armor.

I could see this being a thing, though they don't seem to have as many fiddly spare bits on them as one would hop powerful sorcerers in Termi armor might. Brotherhood of Psykers would be a nice addition to it all.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I hope they keep/update the CSM codex so that I can use these amazing models alongside my hordes of cultists. My army is just a sorcerer and 60 cultists.

Traitor Legions is a supplement, so presumably would still use CSM as its core.

Just hoping that some of the Legion detachments override the boon table/arbitrary challenge BS.

 Sasori wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I wonder if there is going to be any vehicles, not looking like it right now.

GW have said there's more to come than just those models. Just wait and see how this plays out.

Oh, I figured the more to come was Ahirman and Magnus. TKS vehicles would be really neat, so I hope to see some!

Well, looking at Lexicanum, and comparing that with what I've gathered from the new Ahriman trilogy, the Thousand Sons don't use vehicles. At all... Ever. They teleport from their ships to the planet, then back to their ships, or wherever else. If they want this to fit the fluff, then there shouldn't be any vehicles, and they should all get Deep Strike.

The occasional Defiler or Chaos Titan aside.


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Also, I don't recall Tzaangors being in the books. It mentioned beastmen being on the planet of sorcerers, and that they were a part of an army of cultists and mutants. Soo... I guess we're still at a want for a good cultist kit that can adequately reflect a tzeentch bent.

Tr.... Traitor Legion Supplement?

OMG

My body is ready. Shame it's a supplement and not its own standalone thing though.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Tr.... Traitor Legion Supplement?

OMG

My body is ready. Shame it's a supplement and not its own standalone thing though.

We can always hope that some of the Legion detachments override the gak of 6th. We can always hope.

True. Hopefully it makes VotLW not gak.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
True. Hopefully it makes VotLW not gak.

Hell, I'd be happy if it just gave my Death Guard actual Plague units.

You know, Fearless, T5 and FNP for -1 I on characters and units. Give me a detachment perk for not being a bike or jump pack abusing monkey like Death Guard never should have been.

Make my Chaos Terminators actually a threat again, instead of a hideously expensive unit that had no less than 3 Ork players at a tournament stop, look at them and go 'Wow man, that sucks. They should definately be scarier than Ork Nobz....especially if they cost that much. Wtf GW.'

You might want to hold your horses with the traitor legion supplement. The rumour that mentioned that said it was a space marine supplement. Plus it's a bit odd that they would make a traitor legion supplement and release alongside the TSons codex.

Unless of course it is real and is CSM and features special units for some legions, such as the TSons that were leaked....but I'm not getting my hopes up for that.

Well, it IS possible that a "traitor legions" book would have some of the more unique legions in it, including 1ksons.

But I doubt it.

Why would they make a Traitor Legions supplement for loyalist Space Marines? Might as well make a HIve-fleets supplement for Necrons...

That part of original rumour is almost certainly a typo.

Cultist4341 on Atia's site posted in the comments section:


"Confirmation of the second one!"

Sanguinius on reddit stated the cover of the agents book was the hooded inquisitor, get hype brothers and soritas!

 Nordicus wrote:
Another supplement will also follow; Traitor legions.



We finally get it!

Finally. Chaos is begin to grow.

 Roknar wrote:
You might want to hold your horses with the traitor legion supplement. The rumour that mentioned that said it was a space marine supplement. Plus it's a bit odd that they would make a traitor legion supplement and release alongside the TSons codex.

Unless of course it is real and is CSM and features special units for some legions, such as the TSons that were leaked....but I'm not getting my hopes up for that.

Suspect was a typo made by a Chaos player who was busy frothing out over a book we've been waiting close to a decade for.

Considering reddit debunked it - and yet everything else the guy said was revealed and confirmed later in the day....Reddit is a pile of gak.


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 BoomWolf wrote:
Well, it IS possible that a "traitor legions" book would have some of the more unique legions in it, including 1ksons.

But I doubt it.

Considering the rumour stated 9 detachments....

And there were 9 Traitor Legions...

Uhhhhhhhhhhh.


I think that's kinda obvious.

This book goes out to all the OGs, who didn't decide that they needed to be Crimson Slaughter or Red Corsairs while GW went on its 4th/5th edition Renegade kick.

It makes some sense in that it's less to balance and update. They just need to update one codex to update all the supplements, traitor and loyalist, who share a lot of gear anyway and now psychic powers too. I'm not saying it's not a typo, but it doesn't seem that much more crazy to me than a traitor legion supplement that really has some weight to it.

They'd have to add a lot of unit and wargear profiles if it was a Space Marine supplement though, rather than a Chaos Space Marines supplement.

Chaos has a plethora of unique units, and if they weren't included & the supplement is for Space Marines it would make this another dud book overall, even if it would be more competitive.

That Imperial Agents cover is the same cover as the current inquisition codex.

I call shenanigans on both.

Atia has front paged both, normally she remains silent on leaks that aren't true, or actively discredits them.

Additionally, in the comments, she suggests that "you'll mostly just want the books for fluff."

I assume that's an implication they'll be invalid soon.

So I know there's a degree of uncertainty here, but I have one simple question - am I going to have to start a new army to use the new Thousand Sons stuff, or will it fit in my existing army? (I'll be using them as allies if they don't fit, but I'd like to keep some degree of organisation).

Want to use the 1k sons terminators as golem/animated epic automatons in my epic d&d 3.xE campaign but not sure how/what replace thier guns with...

 Azreal13 wrote:
Atia has front paged both, normally she remains silent on leaks that aren't true, or actively discredits them.

Additionally, in the comments, she suggests that "you'll mostly just want the books for fluff."

I assume that's an implication they'll be invalid soon.

Considering this smells a lot of 40k End Times, for the rumored 8E in 2nd quarter of next year, I tend to agree. There's tons of rumors going around at the moment, more-so than can be completely wish-thinking.

Please let that Traitor Legions book be real.... please!!!

No doubt they'll give Alpha Legion rules that don't work at all for my terminator army I'm building... maybe I should hold off on painting new models until some more light is shed on this