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Though I don't/can't play, I am fairly happy so far with all the news I have heard about 8th, if I played it would never be in a tournie, so narrative open fun play sounds good to me. There are ups and downs on units, but it seems mostly to balance things out a bit, some work will have to be done to convert to competitive if that is your thing. I look forward to seeing some greenskin action around and about, from what I have seen so far they are brutal.

So I have all the rules on pre order as I am a sucker for some nice books. But for those who have managed an introductory game of 8th how have people found it?

 Dysartes wrote:
... I do like the idea of running an army of the Imperium, even if it is just for fun.

This is pretty much my feeling too. I could never quite build the lists I wanted to because of having to play ally shenanigans. Now? If it is Imperium, it's aaaaall good.

Thanks for the list breakdown Gits. Looks interesting. I'm also glad my two knights are, as yet, unbuilt so I can run some better combos. I think one thing I read was that stomping was better than the massive blades, so to go for double ranged weapons?

Yeah, that's the thought. I may need to do a bit of converting...

I love the idea of a just Imperium army, gives me an excuse to build a remnants of (insert planet here) and still be totally thematic and easy to make a list for. Just like why I loved the Castellans of the Imperium in 7th.

I'm lucky I managed to Magnetize 2 of my 4 knight to have all the variations. Still any knight should be useful; it's how it's get used and what your facing.


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 Archer wrote:
So I have all the rules on pre order as I am a sucker for some nice books. But for those who have managed an introductory game of 8th how have people found it?

Apparently leaks from people who already have the books. A lot of stuff is on the internet. My FLGS has a copy of the rules as well as the 5 codex books so it's possible for me to do some research, but my own set will come soon enough and building a list without knowing all the specific unit rules just makes me frustrated. I'll wait with the great masses of then majority.

@Solar_Lion, what a Brit/Australian means by "How did they find it" is "Was it any good", not "Where did you find it"

Ahhh.. I stand corrected.

Now that we've all got our "English" sorted out...


I know I usually take a break during the summer but this year I'll be soldiering on. However... the summer is very busy so you won't see as many updates as in the past several months. I have been puttering a bit while I wait for 8th to drop. Have been avidly following the AdMech 8th Ed thread and decided I had a good excuse to make one of my dragoons to be either a dragoon or a twin LC ballistari (which are supposed to be good this edition).

The tazer lance was already pinned on for ease of transport, so all I did was make up the gun and pin it in place... that way I can change the load-out depending on what I want to field. I did my best to duplicate Nerdy's brilliant gold-flecked red... but failed horribly. I think it's close enough to pass a quick inspection though.




My next project is a special fathers-day gift for my dad. He's a big history buff of the old west and he collects antiques (a bad combination). He gave me this classic toy of a Native American to paint. I'm a bit torn as painting it will ruin it's value as a collectible... but I'm sure it's not worth a ton of money to begin with. He's got a big dent in his head that will need to be filled and I'll remove and then burnish smooth some of the worst mold lines (which aren't too bad). Historical paint jobs would have been crude with thick enamel paints... but I think dad wants one of MY style of paint jobs on it. I'll forgo the airbrush and just see what I can do with standard brush techniques. Lots of skin to practice on... uugh. He's got one leg raised so originally he must have been standing on something... I'll have to work up a rock or some such.Anyway, there you go. I'll be interspersing the toy project with finishing up the details on my last two EC models. Then we'll see where I go from there.




On a personal note Thing 1 is in Japan for 3 weeks and our entire household is sad, even his younger brother which I never thought would happen. Great opportunity for Thing 1 though and I'm happy for him... there's just something about him being on the other side of the planet that is unsettling.

Sound like a fun project.. you should be fine and I'm sure your Dad will love it.

My wife just got back from 21 days in Japan. He'll love it. More time for thing 2.

Cool father's day project, best of luck with it!

Ah, tactical rocks! Looks like a fun job, sure you'll do it more than justice.

Indian should be a fun project. I'd suggest ditching the base and doing a mini diorama with him. Nothing crazy big, just enough to give him a feeling of environment that I think that base will be too small for.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Indian should be a fun project. I'd suggest ditching the base and doing a mini diorama with him. Nothing crazy big, just enough to give him a feeling of environment that I think that base will be too small for.

I agree, even just a 60 mm base would probably give you enough room for some atmospherics.

I've been researching Eastern tribes as that is what he looks like to me (Iriquios or some derivative). Not much authentic period material out there... Lots of modern art, Hollywood or reinactors, very little pre1800 resource material.

Your conversion looks good to me, yes there is a difference in the reddish/gold tint but for playing purposes it looks fine. You can always go back and tinker some more.

The fathers day gift is unique, I am sure your dad will love it. My kids generally get me gift certificates or soap.. perhaps I should bathe more.

As for your lists, plasma is going to be king in this edition IMHO. I am going to guess that Knights will be more of a pain to take down than they were in 7th and will give your opponents something to think about other than your troops. Really you wont know till you get a few games under your belt, could be you have the next meta breaking list and just dont know it.

@Yorkright:
AdMech: Well... that's got way too many layers on it already to worry too much about a re-paint. There is a small possibility that I'll tinker with it... but it's very small. Damo's masterpiece still stands, mine is just a slap-dash adjustment to try out a potentially beneficial configuration.
Gift: It amazes me how quickly this went from a painting project into historical research, which I used to do a fair amount of. I may have to do some decorative GS work or metal sheet work... will have to see.
List: Interesting that you say that. The hive-mind over on the AdMech thread thinks plasma is dead... or at least not worth its points. I guess I'll find out.

I'll be interested in seeing this figure!

Looking forward to seeing the FDG Indian, this should be really nice. Oh and could put his foot on a Bison or bear skull!

The news that the Imperium are one is music to my ears, always wanted to mix and match an army from the different factions. I know a cohesive paint job looks great but staring across a battle field at all the might of the Imperium is what us Orks long for.

Had my first game of 8th last night. Fun. Loooooong. My admech vs. an ork horde (120 boys + artillery). Only got to turn 3 but I was winning at that point. Very close though and still a lot in question if the game had gone on. Learned a lot about the game and my army... plus... the other side was kind of my army too, though I don't think I have 120 boys....

So the changes are good? Stoked to hear it!

Generally yes. Things are different. I think the biggest improvements are some of the new dice mechanics... set to hit numbers for example, or armor save modifiers which I've always thought was a better approach. The unlimited split-fire thing is a bit hard to get used to as is the no-such-things-as-shooting-arcs for vehicles. No templates is fine too.

I was bitterly disappointed when I realized that right off the bat, you've got an army that is... unless you're a complete idiot... immune to morale (orks). That was one of the fundamental things that really didn't work in 7th... where morale really didn't mean much for most armies. Now here we go again in 8th. Stupid Humies.

All in all it was fine. It's really a slow play though. It'll get faster as we get better at it... but there's no way people are going to be completing a 2k game in 90 minutes (on average) like GW bragged about in one of there pre-release teasers. We did 3 turns in 3 hours... and my opponent John is very good and had a good grasp on the rules and what he was doing..

Can you share details on how you pinned the ironstrider to swap between dragoon and balusterii?

Fine stuff Gits, nice to see the hobby coming in handy for a special occasion; ironstrider looks great as well, love the red. Also excellent to hear that 8th seems to have balanced out the game, persuades me to start playing more diverse armies.

@bortass: Will do!

@JATW: The funny thing is that even before it's release... at least 3 of our club members have designed armies that totally break the game. Totally. And in general our local meta is highly competitive... so when I say "totally broken"... you can take that to heart. So yes, balanced... the way Warmachine/Hordes is balanced... everything's completely broken so it all works out in the end. The good point is that they've done it with 3 completely different factions and the builds are wildly varied. However it does not really encourage me to take part in our local tournaments which are ITC and draw in ultra-competitive players from a reasonably large area. God only knows what they'll come up with. The three armies I've seen locally would absolutely roll over a 7th edition power list.

Wow, that is slightly sad to hear that is t is already skewed. Thankfully out of he people I'm likely to play, neither are at all experienced.

Hopefully t can be fixed with the full codex releases and general's book (or whatever I is called)

For those who haven't played nor have built a list in the 8th, Can you give us some details? Is it the special rules, or the basic mechanics of the game or in combination. What factions and what makes them broken?

@SL:
Mechanicus: a wall of 14 robots that in "protector protocol" produce 252 S6 AP-2 1 or 2 W shots (can't remember) in a single firing phase. OH, and probably many re-rolling misses.
Tzeench: 28 lascannons fired by characters that can't be touched because they are surrounded by hundreds of brimstones.
230 some-odd orks. Try to kill that before they'll be getting off turn 1 or 2 charges.

All at 2k points.




I'm going to do a bit of converting tonight in order to get my AdMech test list done in time for the 8th launch tomorrow. I bunch of us are converging on the store in Madison for our goodies and gaming.

I'll make sure to post my how-tos... really it's near brainless... though having a bit of dumb luck helps (it's the only luck I've got, so I'll take it).


I don't really mean to sound down on 8th... yes, the orks being effectively fearless is a big blow... I thought we were ovr that. Otherwise I like this version and think it'll be a great game to play. If anything, I'm heartened by the fact that it's back has been broken by three completely different factions/styles of lists. Suggests that overall it'll be much more equitable.

At least there's more than 1 power list. Maybe everything is so broken it balances out at the end of the day like you said. If GW REALLY wanted to crack down on these lists, they would make a game specifically for competitive, rather than what we have now - a game great for casual/semi-competitive, but busted for competition. It's still an improvement over 7th, but there's still a ways to go yet. If I were GW, I'd hold my horses on dubbing 8th as the "Best Edition Ever TM", I bet something better is still possible.

A quick look at the force charts and the AdMech lists... to build that one you'd be looking at: Cawl, Datasmith and 14 Kastelans spread across 3-6 heavy slots... with about 100 points left over out of 2000 points. It also only gives you 4 CP and all of them need to be really bunched up in one spot to benefit from the rerolls and repairs.

So on paper it is obscene, but it sounds like a very small, one trick pony. A one trick pony that can potentially damage itself further with mortal wound generating explosions each time one dies. The Kastelans can't move if you want to do the double firing, so your opponent can just hide, camp the objectives and make you come for them; negating some of your massed firepower. Some AM mortar teams or indirect fire artillery would quite like that as a target too.

The Tzeentch one does sound mean though...