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Where did the head come from? Which kit? Thanks

 KrautScientist wrote:
Thanks for the validation, guys! I think I needed that for getting this thing finished Put some more work in yesterday evening and added some more details. Here's the model right now:





As you can see, the chest plate received some additional decoration to hide the hole in it. I also moved those circular trophy racks slightly to the sides.

Regarding the head, it was permanently attached and I used some cabling and part of a lasher tendril to build a neck/spine construction for it and blend it into the body a bit better:



A defiler armour plate is used as some kind of cowl over the models shoulders atm, though this may need more work.

I think I am now at a point where I can call the basic construction finished. I'll add more bitz to the model (trophies, icons of chaos) and some more cabling and techy bitz to the torso around the head.

The head itself will likely receive a bit or two as well, to better tie it into the 40k scale. For once, though, I'll probably pass on the bunny ears: I think the head has a nice and blunt silhouette as it is, and I wouldn't want to lose that. Maybe some tusks, though. Hmmm...

Again, thanks for the feedback! That has been a huge help!



As always, C&C are very welcome!

Its this kit you really should read his thread though

LOL, I never would have called that one!

Wow some of those later GI Joes were pretty dismal huh?

Again, thanks for the feedback, people! I think you've all realised by now that this is quite a complicated conversion, and I am figuring it all out as I go -- maybe not the best approach, but there you have it!

@ Shin-Rain: That's a nicely tweaked leg pose there, mate! That running Centurion looks like he means business. "I'm coming at you bro!" style

@ Dax415, lone dirty dog & Kid_Kyoto: Lone dirty dog pretty much spotted the source: The head did indeed come from a "Big Boa" G.I.Joe action figure, although mine was slightly smaller and less articulated than the image he posted -- which is probably either a later release or even a custom build by a hobbyist. Mine looked like this .

Regarding the feedback on my Behemoth/Centurion conversion, you guys make some excellent points:

- clawed feet for the model are something I definitely want to incorporate, although I have yet to find the right approach: I tried using the toes that came with the Raptor/Warp Talon kit, but those look to small and kind of silly. The main problem with the Centurions is that they are bigger than any other "regular" infantry model, so it's pretty hard to find parts that scale correctly. I'll figure something out, though

- Slightly extending the model's height by adding some GS in the joint between the legs and torso, as Biohazard has done for his first test model, is something I am also currently looking at. The advantage is that the model ends up looking more imposing (and more correctly proportioned to boot). On the other hand, you can see the regular Astartes strapped into the suit when you look at the model's back, so making the gap between legs and torso bigger could make the proportions of the "pilot" look wrong -- it's definitely a very delicate balance to maintain!

- when it comes to the weapons, each of the models in the squad will receive two different main weapons (on the arms), and maybe an added, shoulder mounted weapon -- I am still looking at that last option. I think that this will be a pretty good way of representing the "mixed" equipment of an Obliterator squad.

- all in all, it has to be said that I probably won't do anything to make these guys more agile and/or less clunky: I love the idea that they are these huge, ponderous colossi, and the fact that they are so heavily armed makes their stature a bare necessity.

Anyway, one of the next big steps will be to sort out the leg armour. I am currently experimenting with some armour plates cut from Ogre fists:





I also made my first bad decision, trying to replace the left hand with a chainfist from a Chaos Terminator. That would have added a suitably chaotic element with very little work. The problem, though, was that the Terminator fists are a good deal shorter than those of the Centurions. While not immediately obvious when looking at the parts, once you add a chainfist to the model, you realise that the arm ends up looking far too short, rendering the model’s already slightly funny proportions even more off-kilter. The one exception I can see is the slightly bigger chainfist from the Chaos Lord in terminator armour. Since I wanted to keep that particular piece of a possible use on the squadleader, though, I carefully re-attached the Centurion’s fist I had cut off earlier — we live and learn…


So yeah, that’s the current status of my test model. It’s still a fairly early version of the model, of course. Nevertheless, feel free to let me know what you think! Getting some additional perspectives on this will be a huge help.

Hmm, the first thing I would say is not sure if I like the shield/skulls arrangement on the front of the model. I is a little too busy, I don't like the shield, it is too cartoonish and doesn't fit with the style of the rest of the model (pondering, beefy machine). I would suggest finding some jewellery chains, and a chain tabard or some sort of tabard (at cheap jewellery/craft store you can often find a chain link bowtie or something like that... then cut it up into a tabard or chain cloak). that would not distract so much from the thigh pads, which look good. I would keep only the central skull, with it's chaotic grinning look, recess it more into the chest so it doesn't stick out quite so much, and add chains wrapping around it/other smaller fetishes surrounding and framing it, like a chaotic mirror of the aquila sign. and make that the focal point.

For clawed toes I would just use a very thick piece of plasticard, and cut it into a roughly triangle shape... doesn't have to be talon-like just more on the stubby but spiky side. I did the same sort of thing on my counts-as typhus model. It doesn't have to be perfect it is a shoe, you can always apply some mud or put it in grass or something.

Cheers, meade!

As you will see in a minute, I have now replaced the shield with a different bit, which should make you happy As for the skulls, I actually like the fact that they're not recessed into the chest: After all, these are the skulls of fallen enemies/comrades, honoured by being allowed to gaze upon the battle one last time (as per the World Eaters background).

Regarding the feet, I am still looking at several options, although a hobbyist over at one of the German boards suggested shaved down hooks from the flails that come with the Chaos Marauders -- sounds like an interesting idea to me!

In the meantime, I've done some more work on my test model yesterday. I realise that the model might look a little cluttered now -- fear not, this is just me trying which combination of bitz to use on the finished model





The Marauder shield was replaced with a chain tabard from the Chaos Lord in Terminator armour. I also added a horn from the Ogre Kingdoms Mournfang Cavalry to the model's helmet for the heck of it -- while it may be slightly too big, I like the distinct look of the helmet. I also decided to add a Multimelta to the left arm. I converted it using some Multimelta barrels on one of the siege drill bodies. As you can see, I also added a flamer on top, but I am not really fond of the result: The flamer's just a tad too much, if you ask me...



The Mechanicum seal on the model's back was also replaced with a suitably heretical symbol:



Here's a scale comparison with a Terminator, btw: The new guy is massive...



I also added a trophy pole to the model's back, although I am not sure whether I am going to keep it:





The model was also ever so slightly extended at the waist -- with modelling putty for now, later to be followed with a small amount of GS.

As always, let me know what you think!

Heck brother i think it looks fan freaking tastic. Continually impressed by what you put together

If anyone could make the Centurion models look sinister, it would certainly be you, KrautScientist.

Hey buddy, liking the progress but just want to throw a few suggestions at you.

I like the blade on the forehead it reminds me of one of Abaddons chosen from a previous editions codex, I forget which one. I think having the blade, the bunny ears and the trophy pole is a bit much though. I'd lose the trophy pole and maybe use some of the small skulls on the shielded plates or something?

I also like the chain tabard but think its mounted a little too high. I used a cut down part of armour from Centurion kit and shaved away the belt detail there and added a little chain mail on the legs rather than the torso. Like you say this is just o get an idea of bits so may not be the final design I'm just giving my tuppence worth.

The flail idea for the feet seems like a good shout. If be interested to see how that looks. You're right about the rear armour showing the marine inside and I'm looking at a workaround for that to try and disguise the marine legs as much as possible. Not sure what yet.

The melta weapon looks awesome but you're right I think the flamers a bit too much.

Sorry if it seems im being negative just throwing some ideas your way. Also the package of skeletons etc I sent should be with you soon for the Aegis

Can't wait to see your final design on this as I know if anyone can make a Chaotic Centurion it's you.

Cheers, Gentlemen

@ Master Azalle: Thanks man! Glad you like the model so far!

@ tinfoil: That is very nice of you to say. Do check out Biohazard's thread as well, though: His own Behemoth is very impressive!

@ Biohazard: No worries, buddy: In fact, getting this kind of criticism is just the reason why I am posting so many WIP pictures in the first place! Plus your suggestions are so good that I had to try them out right away

I had originally planned to conserve the crotch armour for some future project, but don't let it be said that I let thriftiness stand in the way of a cool conversion. So I moved the tabard downwards and added an armour plate on top:





As you can see, I also exchanged the huge horn/blade from the Mournfang Cavalry for a smaller horn that keeps the overall look but looks somewhat less overwhelming.

Oh, and I am also considering using Marauder shields on the backs of the hands:



Not only are they a recurring visual element across my whole army, but they also add some chaos gothicness without having to put in a lot of work

Anyway, your feedback so far has been really helpful, guys! So please keep those ideas coming

Not too sure about the marauder shields on the back of the hands. I see what you're going for but I'm not sure it works yet. How about trying the Ogre fist plates there instead of the thighs?

Loving the Obliterators so far mate
I have to agree with Biohazard, that those shields do look out of place but I can't think of anything to suggest to put in their place

 Nashbashem wrote:
Loving the Obliterators so far mate
I have to agree with Biohazard, that those shields do look out of place but I can't think of anything to suggest to put in their place

Khorne icon maybe???

I'm loving the horn, but I feel like that trophy rack might be a bit too much. Replacing the belly shield with the chain tabard was a great decision though, the model now looks balanced and proportional.

Again, thanks for the feedback, gents

As you can see from the last few updates, the changes between the different iterations of my test model keep getting smaller and smaller, which is always a sign of the basic design approaching completion. So, some small bitz or adjustments notwithstanding, I believe I have now found the basic template for my Obliterators: The models in the squad will more or less follow this design (I even whipped up an image in Photoshop for the occasion ):

Behemoth pattern heavy fire support suits



Even in an army as focused on combat at close quarters as the World Eaters‘ 4th assault company, there are those who hunt by different means. These brothers of the company are called the Behemoths, and they are an enigma to even their brethren.

During the Great Crusade, the armies of the Legiones Astartes were faced with an ever increasing number of deadly adversaries. Often enough, wars were only to be won by attrition, and the head-on assaults led by the death seeking Primarch Angron were threatening to bleed the 12th Astartes legion dry before long. While Angron seemed oblivious or even indifferent towards such concerns, there were those among his officers who sought a more balanced kind of warfare, at least until the bite of their Butcher’s Nails consumed the remnants of their sanity.

It is said that, during this time, First Apothecary Fabrikus himself experimented on a number of battle brothers, trying to adapt their cranial implants to a different kind of fight. These warriors were outfitted with heavy combat suits, almost on par with the fabled Dreadnoughts. Their suits were equipped with a plethora of heavy weapons, and where the regular World Eaters would throw themselves at the enemy with wild abandon, the so-called Behemoth squads would hang back and lay down a barrage of heavy fire. For Fabrikus had changed the battle brothers’ minds yet again, hardwiring their implants to their weapons systems. The members of the Behemoth squads started to find grim joy in killing, just like the rest of their legion, but the greatest joy for them was to pick out enemies from afar, tearing through flesh and steel alike with bursts of laser fire and plasma, and seeing a red marker turning green in their targeting recticles.

The Behemoths remained a highly experimental unit that only saw limited use during the Crusade and subsequent Heresy: The weapons systems they were outfitted with proved too difficult to maintain during the arduous campaigns, and Angron would always favour a more hands-on approach. Only few of the valuable suits have endured over the millennia, and only those warbands of the XIIth Astartes legion who still count a Warpsmith or Dark Mechanicus ally among their numbers can hope to make any kind of use of this hallowed equipment. For most members of the World Eaters, the kind of warfare exemplified by the Behemoth squads remains forever beyond their reach, replaced by frenzy and costly head-on assaults. Yet within the ranks of the 4th assault company, some of the Behemoths have endured, and in Khorne's Eternal Hunt, have become hunters in their own right: .

These frightening giants still fill the role of heavy fire support, yet the long centuries and millennia have wrought havoc upon their minds: Growing ever more divorced from their humanity, Behemoths are more machine than man, gripped by a tranquil fury where their regular brethren are frenzied. They can only perceive life through their targeting systems, and each situation becomes an equation that can only be solved by heavy fire. They tend to see living beings as either targets or inconsequential elements, even referring to their battle brothers as “fleshkin”.

When away from the battlefield, the Behemoths are normally content to spent time in deep, deathlike sleep. They dream of worlds burning and planets shattering under a barrage of heavy fire, while the other members of the company take relief in the knowledge that their troubled brethren are not at large. Even in an army of frenzied killers, the Behemoths are perhaps the most inhuman of all, since for them life and death are the only variables at any given time, and death is always the preferable outcome…


So yeah, here's the pretty much finished test model:









After looking at Biohazards very nice conversion, my own model was extended even more at the waist, and I think the visible waist improves the overall proportions. I believe I won't try to cram any more weapons onto the model, going with two main weapons for each member of the squad. Some chains and spikes may yet be added, and I'll maybe rethink the use of the Marauder shield on the right hand: Another option would be to use some of the very cool Ogre fists that come with the Mournfang Cavalry:



Once again, the imagery of the Great Maw makes for very convincing World Eaters symbols, don't you think? I only have very few of these, unfortunately, so I can only use them very sparingly.
I am also considering leaving off the hydraulich struts on the sides of the legs, because I really don't like their look. Not sure yet, though. The ones on back of the feet are great, though, because they look so similar to the Dreadknight (or, in my case, Wargrinder) legs.

In any case, thanks again for your constructive feedback! I think I might start work on the second model in the squad soon

Until then, let me know what you think!

P.S. Oh, and on a mostly unrelated note, since several people asked for a tutorial for my Wargrinder conversion, I prepared a detailed writeup about that. It can be found here.

Love the blueprint pic and the Mournfang plate looks a lot better. I'd save that for the unit champ though. The leg hydraulics I'm planning on leaving off. I have a small skull in the foot recess which almost disguises the fact that there's an astartes leg there. Almost. Can't wait to see your next Oblit

Really like the write up for the Wargrinder as well.

Looks awesome and I like the fluff. I would maybe add some spikes on his fists!

While I like the fluff I just can't bring myself to like those models. The heads in particular are really fuglly sculpts, alongside those arms and the power mittens. They are nothing compared to the awesome stuff you've posted before.

I can't remember where but i saw a bloke who had shoulder mounted lascannons on a similar conversion, looked gak hot, Personally for my khorne army i prefer the more daemonic looking obliterators but if i had an iron warriors army or something this would be perfect! I have had a great time reading though your blog, it inspired me to start my own ( http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/549440.page ) I definately need to start a project like centurion oblits or something along those lines, i love the creative modelling aspect of 40k

The great maw bit idea is inspired!

Thanks for the feedback, guys!

@ Biohazard: Cheers, buddy! I guess I have enough of the Mournfang plates to use one on each Behemoth. The only other models these could realistically be used for are more of my chaos spawn, and since I already converted three of those, I believe I'd rather go all out on the Behemoths than save bitz for some models I might never actually build.

Glad you like the background bit. As a matter of fact, ideas for an "action scene" involving those Behemoths are already forming in my mind...

@ Dinamarth:Additional spikes are always an option, mate!

@ Imposter101: That's quite alright -- I can't expect to make everybody love the conversion. In all fairness though, I really don't think the heads are all that bad: They look like a perfect missing link between a power armoured Marine helmet and a Terminator helmet, and I rather like the subtly brutal look of them.

@ The World XEater: Mate, stop plugging your thread already Seriously, though: It's good to know that I've managed to inspire you! I can respect your position regarding the regular Obliterators, it's just not something that works for me or my army -- that might change if they ever get new, shiny plastic models, of course
Regarding the shoulder mounted lascannon, I believe you're referring to Biohazard's Centurion conversion , which is indeed really awesome and possibly quite a bit cooler than my own! That guy just has a way with plastic...

@ tinfoil: Cheers! And it was really a bit of a coincidence too!

Sounds good, can't wait to see the whole unit I've also just ordered a few bits and pieces to build my own Warpsmith based loosely on yours. Also did you get the package yet?

I have to say, I really appreciate the effort you put into your fluff. It brings so much more depth to the army. A pleasure to read as always!

Lol I gotta do something to get some traction! Funked if I know how you guys got so many followers! Must be cos you guys have a way with conversion. People love unique models

beautiful just beautiful

Thanks for the feedback, guys!

@ Biohazard: Yay, your own Warpsmith! Looking forward to that one! Oh, and yes, the package arrived yesterday, after I had pretty much given up hope. Seems our friends at the post office had a field day with it again -- the stry warrants another PM, I guess Thanks a lot, in any case!

@ Freytag93: Cheers, mate: As a matter of fact, the fluff really helps me get a feeling for the army, so it helps with the conversions as well. A win-win situation, if ever there was one

@ The World XEater: Ah, well, much as I would like to believe that the amount of followers is only related to the quality of content, I can say from my own experience that getting people to notice your stuff can be pretty hard work. In my case, it took half a year of blogging and several threads on different forums to generate a steady interest in my postings, and even now, stuff I feel very strongly about doesn't manage to attract any attention. It's hard work, and there's probably no perfect recipe to do it. That said, you managed to have several pictures on the front page of the Dakka Gallery already, which is no mean feat. Relax, you'll get the attention you deserve in the end

Right, seeing how I am having a few days off at the moment, I started working on the second Behemoth model yesterday. Everything was going pretty well too, and then I almost managed to take my right thumb off with a forceful backhand swing of my exacto knife... Seriously, it wasn't as bad as that, but I managed to deliver a pretty deep cut to my thumb which has halted the conversion for now. Here's what I managed to do before the accident, though:



The early beginnings of the model, next to the first conversion.

And here's the current status of the model:



It may not be easy to make out in the picture, but I did steal Biohazard's brilliant idea for chest mounted flamers

Anyway, let me know what you think!

Man your Behemoths are great! So much better than the unconverted versions. I built a set of them and they just didn't do it for me. You have really brought them to life. Love the lore you wrote too.

The second Obliterator looks great mate. The bits arrived for my Squad leader today but I'm nightshift for the next week. :( Ill try and get time to work on him though. I'm not sure I'm looking forward to hear the fail mail story again. Haha

Im loving the look of the cetuiators lol. I would love to have a play at making a centurion into an iron warriors daemon prince take the guns off and give him a jet pack, maybe stretch out the arms snd legs make him a bit taller, add some spikes and a kickarse helmet.. and of course a big arse sword lol

@ 40kFSU: Cheers, mate!

@ Biohazard: Looking forward to your second Obliterator, buddy! You know, your Obliterators could even have come out of the same "Behemoth program" as mine. It's interesting to imagine how the suits would have been adapted to the individual warbands' needs, resulting in equipment that still recognisably originated in the same place, but still turned out slightly differently over the millennia.

@ The World XEater: Hmm, if I were to turn on of these guys into a daemon prince, I believe I'd start with something similar to Candleshoes' "Contemptor Centurion" , then work from there. It still seems like a pretty daunting task, though...


It turns out all it takes to pretty much incapacitate me from a hobby perspective is a couple of band aids over my thumb. Seriously, I might just as well have cut off my entire hand: I never realised how instrumental my thumb was when putting things together. Oh well, the good news it'll surely be back to normal soon.

Until then, though, assembly of my second Behemoth has become massively more difficult, so I may be excused for only managing to complete a couple of fairly minor steps.

Here are the two gentlemen in question again:



And the new model on its own:



As you can see, the beastman skull received another horn, since I thought the mono-horn look was just a little too Slaaneshi for my taste. You can also see the position of the left arm, which will be equipped with either an assault cannon or a Lascannon. For the right arm, I have started mocking up a heavy flamer:



While I think those siege drills look extremely silly, the great thing about them is that their bodies can be turned into pretty much any weapon by just adding some new barrels and additional bitz.

Not much, I know Still looking forward to any feedback you might have