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KalashnikovMarine wrote:

pretre wrote:That's pretty melodramatic. We aren't suffering with metal models; we just have metal models. Let's avoid the 'woe is me, long suffering SOB player' stereotype, eh?

Am I the only one who prefers the metal models?

No, I LOVE my metal models. So much that my two main armies are SoB (of course) and Steel Legion IG (not the "actual" Steel Legion, but the models). My carrying cases are heavy and I like it. I could crush a small child with my army (literally!). But I do not mind the challenges of modeling with a metal army as much as others have said in this thread. I do not mind the lack of poses. It bothers me not. I take pride in the fact that the only plastic models I have are my vehicles. /end rant


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quiestdeus wrote:I love our metal models, just wish there were more poses.

I love being able to drop a lady 4 feet onto a concrete floor where we play and pick her back up and put her on the table. I accidentally dropped a plastic marine the other day and I swear the dang thing exploded into more pieces than it started as...

Indeed. I enjoy the durability of our metal models.

quiestdeus wrote:An actual tactics question...

With 6th and allies I've been toying with a footslogging (more counter-charge) battle conclave consisting of Jacobus, 5 Crusaders with Axes, 5 Assassins with Swords & Maces, and a Primaris Psyker (to unlock guard allies, provide some utility, and soak challenges I do not want Jacy involved in).

The question I have is, what powers would you guys take on the Primaris? I've toyed with biomancy (enfeeble is amazing the relentless/FNP power is handy, the AP2 shooty isn't horrible, and the two self-buffs are so-so if you roll well). I have also just started messing with telekinesis, and telepathy.

Have any of you tried the Primaris at all? What schools do you think would work best for a Psyker hanging out with Jacobus?

I have to agree with the others that Jacobus and company are just not as good as they were in 5th. Until that changes with our supposedly new codex, I'll be fielding Repentia instead.

J.Black wrote:I just don't think the Jaco-blob works that well in 6th..... Sure, you can do a bunch of things to make it better but the unfortunate truth is that the other options are better: Celestine+Seraphim and Kyrinov+Aegis+whatever.

If we get a new codex, and if we get assault vehicles, then the BC will probably be a no-brainer (although i'd expect a big nerf to the PW choices). Until then it seems like the best plan is to take moar shooting

Yeah this.

pretre wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna run my final Jacobus Conclave this weekend, I think. I'll let you know how it goes.

For Primaris, I was going to go Telepathy + a PBS allied in for shenanigans. Keep in mind that you can choose right before the game as well, so if you are up against fearless opponents, you can ditch fearless, etc.

To be fair, the Primaris psyker's base powers aren't that bad. I can't say I've played around with them though.

Is there any value to a Repressor? Seems like an awful lotta points for a Rhino with extra flamers and firing points, but just wanted to get actual play experience from people that have actually used a repressor.

Re: PBS and telepathy. Almost every power is good, 3 out of 4 rolls for a IG psyker plus the primaris makes up for that one. You can shut down a death star, kill it, make vehicles shoot at people and remove fearless. 3 of those work with weaken resolve too. Just nasty.

Repressors were purely awesome in 5th.

in 6th, I am not so sure anymore. They can help speed sisters forward for objective grabbing and give you access to a LOT more tools to remove your opponents squad from that objective.

Being able to shoot a heavy flamer from the top, another heavy flamer and storm bolter from the tank AND 6 normal bolters could clear an objective rather quickly and then you would have your sisters sitting safely, in their metal box, on top of it.

They are still good fire bases, but the fact that you can no longer score objectives while inside has made it lose of of its appeal.

Other benefits it may provide in 6th:

1. Its higher than the standard rhino so seraphims and celestine can safely hide behind it and you won't see their heads peaking over the top.
2. They make a decent transport for 4 man flamer dominion squads. You can snap fire 6 bolters as it move forwards and once it delivers it's payload, it can add it's flamer on top of the dominions.. or burn another target.
3. If you can spam them on normal sister squads you can get a solid foothold in the midfield. Have a flamer and a multimelta on your sisters and your opponent will see it being costly to move through your area of denial.

Wooo! New Sisters stuff. Got my retibutor squad with HBs, 2 more melta sisters and a couple more Seraphim with bolt pistols. ^^

Honestly probably won't ever run Retributors just because of the cost of that forge world kit... maybe using my immolator as a counts as... but dang.

As a question, what would everyone want from a heavy vehicle for a sisters force?

Well we have heavy weapon squad, walker and long range tank. Ordnance is next and close range support right after.

What's our long range tank?

Edit: wait I'm dumb, Exorcists XD

Some sort of lesser-throne of judgement sort of walker would be cool. A confessor riding a walking desk (or a platform carried on the shoulders of sinners) as he passes out punishment to those below. Could use the new chariot rules, or be some sort of psudo-psyker / anti-psyker thing.

A rhino gunboat with a megabolter variant would be sweet too. Sortof like the IG punisher (but... good)

I'd love to see some kind of one-man flyer for the sisters. Something small you can run in units. Let's call them harpies.

Actually Puri that brings up an excellent wish list item, some AAA.

Maybe Lightning Fighter, I liked to spam them in DoW. No one expects the SoB air force.

Purifier wrote: Let's call them harpies.

Ehh, we can do better than that.

Valkyrie, Seraphim and Cherubim already taken.

Ecclesiarchy Retribution Fighter
Sororitas Angelic Fighter
Word of the Emperor Bomber

Hmm. This is tough.

Praxedes Assault Fighter

KalashnikovMarine wrote:As a question, what would everyone want from a heavy vehicle for a sisters force?

An Assault Vehicle. I'd settle for a Land Raider, but I'd rather have something new.

I want the Mobile Redeemer of Souls:

Capacity 20
Armor 13 all around
giant freaking church on top
fire points all over the fugger
causes leadership negatives to enemies with 6".
Assault Vehicle, of course.
Characters mounted inside it can extend the range of effects to +6" (So Kyrinov gives 12" fearless bubble, all units within 6" of a mounted Jacobus get FNP/+1 Attack, etc.)

pretre wrote:

Purifier wrote: Let's call them harpies.

Ehh, we can do better than that.

Valkyrie, Seraphim and Cherubim already taken.

Ecclesiarchy Retribution Fighter
Sororitas Angelic Fighter
Word of the Emperor Bomber

Hmm. This is tough.

Praxedes Assault Fighter

Hail Mary's?
Sky Raiders?(O wait that the storm raven)
Sky Rhinos?
Sister of Flight?(sounds forced though)

Speaking of the conclave, I've already gone and traded out my crusaders, DCA's and uriah and penitent engine for some fire dragons. I'm not sad to see them go though really they were really amazing to use but I just don't like them anymore as I mentioned earlier they felt out of place in my SOB army even if they were inquisitorial. I still got 2 heavy flamers and 3 flamers to trade away/

I'm not really convinced that flyers will be a big threat to my area, and IG as allies is unappealing for me, and since I already own some Eldar......

I really would like to take eldar as allies since i already own a bunch of eldar models(they were my first army) the one eye open rule doesn't bother me but they would be unable to count as scoring units or denial unts.

Which kind of bites because I could have used eldar units instead of taking more sisters units, and then all the other choices available are MEQ armies(ok there are dark eldar but they are in the same boat with eldar and i dont own DE models) I'm not interested in templars, blood angels or space wolves, so they leaves me space marines and dark angels(grey knights i feel are too expensive to take as allies and besides there is more than one marine army) I'm leaning towards space marines because I already know what units they have available and i dont have the dark angels codex and im not sure what they will be getting soon, I wanted to make a regular SM biker army anyway so using them as allies seems logical to me since I'll be building a SM army anyway..

Heck i might just ally ELDAR anyway and go for broke, sure ill be screwed for troops but I will have me some long range AP 2 guns walking monstrosities and some cheap dirty Runes of Warding.

Gone are the days were we HAVE to take more troops or a elites choice just b/c our mandatory HQ troops are taken along with max fast attack and heavy support.(though troops and elites did get slightly better we can choose to make our armies more diverse)

Wow did I warm up to allies all of a sudden, I was really cold towards using the idea personally for a while, it sounded cool but I was disinterested and now for some reason I'm all excited for it.

I personally like the idea of naming the flyer Malakhim, but I suppose mixing Jewish and Christian angelic hierarchies is frowned upon in a heavily christian themed army...

Tagboard Wizard wrote:I personally like the idea of naming the flyer Malakhim, but I suppose mixing Jewish and Christian angelic hierarchies is frowned upon in a heavily christian themed army...

Would you mind explaining the name a bit more? I kinda like it.

In Judaism, Malakhim are messenger angels, whom speak on behalf of God to mortals. Malakhim derives from Mal'akh, which is kind of like a generic word for 'messager' or someone who comes to bring news (it has more of a working man's tone to it, I guess).

Mal'akh is also a bit of a celestial word in general, for angels and apparitions and divine presence and such stuff.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:In Judaism, Malakhim are messenger angels, whom speak on behalf of God to mortals. Malakhim derives from Mal'akh, which is kind of like a generic word for 'messager' or someone who comes to bring news (it has more of a working man's tone to it, I guess).

Mal'akh is also a bit of a celestial word in general, for angels and apparitions and divine presence and such stuff.

Similar to, "Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho!"? Because that would be awesome.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:In Judaism, Malakhim are messenger angels, whom speak on behalf of God to mortals. Malakhim derives from Mal'akh, which is kind of like a generic word for 'messager' or someone who comes to bring news (it has more of a working man's tone to it, I guess).

Mal'akh is also a bit of a celestial word in general, for angels and apparitions and divine presence and such stuff.

I thought it was only the Metatron who spoke as god's "voice"? But I slept through sunday school cept when the nuns laid in with the rulers, so there you go

Edit: Got the first batch of my Seraphim converted with the Sanguinary Guard wings and jump packs, while they look great and went together a lot easier then I expected, they are going to be a right pain in the arse to paint. The way the wings went on for the ladies means they're close or touching jump pack bits and shoulder pads, so it's gonna be a ton of very delicate worth with the detail brush to get everything done to my standard without accidentally painting other bits.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I thought it was only the Metatron who spoke as god's "voice"? But I slept through sunday school cept when the nuns laid in with the rulers, so there you go.

... I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I was under the impression that Mattatron was a specific Malakhim, a mortal spirit ascended to Angelic-hood (?). I'm going to be going to school for behaviorology, not theology, so I'd have to look it up. There may be some cross chatter between Christianity and Judaism as well in the mix.

I'll let you know what I find.

If we're talking things we'd like in the next codex - anti psyker. Specifically, I'd like a focus on offensive anti-psyker. I think it would help differentiate the Sisters... they hate psykers, they don't run psykers, their psychic defense is slaughtering the vile witches.

All that anti-psyker gear the GK have strikes me as exactly the kind of things a bunch of fervent anti-psyker girls with no psychic defense of their own would love to cart around. I'd love to get items along those lines. Stick Mindstrike missiles everywhere.

Though honestly (and I know I'm kinda lonely on this front), I would have preferred the inquisitorial side of things as a whole fell to the Sisters, and not the GK.

I mentioned a little bit ago that we didn't have any anti-psyker weaponry (aside from condemner bolters) and I agree completely. Even if we had an army wide 'Deny the Witch' bonus or special rule that afforded us extra killy-ness to a psyker, anything really.

I'm a bit more of a fan of a special rules against psyker's as that feels more like a mentality against witchcraft, but some extra weaponry would be nice too.

Just went 1 loss (to SoB) 2 wins (BA and SW). Guy I lost to won best general. More later.

 pretre wrote:
Just went 1 loss (to SoB) 2 wins (BA and SW). Guy I lost to won best general. More later.

(not making fun of you)

I don't know why but I find it incredibly amusing that you played/lost to another SoB player, there's seems to be so few of us at tournaments that it feels a little unfair to me when they get paired off.

Can't wait to hear about it though!

Yeah i was a laughing when we got matched. He had rets in a bastion with Coteaz and a third BSS whereas I had Jacobus, conclave and two doms.

We both had two other BSS, Celestine and seras, 2 Exos (I had 3). Close to mirror.


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Well somewhat.

 pretre wrote:
Just went 1 loss (to SoB) 2 wins (BA and SW). Guy I lost to won best general. More later.

Good work, looking forward to your battle reports!

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Squad Divine Lightning reporting, Every time you kill a heretic, an angel gets her wings.

Nice work with the seraphim!

wow, those are really nice ^^

can we get a few back shots too :?

Fit in much nicer than the default packs.