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I like having Plasma pistols on the Superiors in a BSS, gives the squad 2 plasma shots if they need it. I typically don't need more than 2 Melta shots to kill what they're aiming at. I save heavy targets (Land raiders ect) for Dominions and Exorcists so I save the BSS for tacticals or softer targets. Big hoards I leave to St. Celetsine and her Seraphim.

I think they can be fun but I do see the advantage of having a Combi-flamer on a BSS for back up.

The problem with PP is their cost vs benefit.

My reasoning on plasma pistol vs combi melta

Dominions - unless you expect them to kill one thing and get shot off the board, then a combi melta may be the better option. However, I've been able to get mines to survive for several turns in the games I've played. In each of those games I've had them destroy a nasty vehicle (vindicator for example) and twin linking two meltaguns is almost certain to get the job done where an additional one gets redundant. I've used my Immolator to shelter them from fire and the next turn I start laying down the pain around on marines or terminators. A combi melta would be useless after the first shot where the plasma pistol keeps on giving and once again, with their act of faith, you are quite safe from gets hot.

Seraphim - Quite simply sniping. They have the mobility to move where you want them, on a side where it may be easy to snipe a character/special weapon by forcing him to take an AP 2 wounds bypassing all other models that could take the hit. They get stuck in assault, hit and run out in your opponents phase and position yourself again for sniping in his phase. Been able to kill specific weapons that he thought would be hidden at the back. Was able to hit and run behind an IronClad dreadnought in one phase and remove his arm that had the heavy flamer attached. Did not kill it, but made it that much easier to deal with on the charge.

Servitors - Faced a list that had a drop pop with locator beacon, a librarian with gate and a bunch of sternguard loaded with meltas and flamers. If the drop pod comes down, the sternguards port in right by your bastion with no scatter and then do mince meat of it. If I have a multi melta at least, Im nearly guaranteed that this drop pod is not going to survive it's arrival. Jokaero can get multimeltas, but I would rather have too many than not enough in this situation. With spare points I can see myself getting another jokaero potentially. if I can get the 12inch increase from their ability, thats an extra 36 inch multimelta and on a 4x4 table, it will basically reach anywhere depending on where bastion is.

As for teleporter, if I played on a 4x6 table it would be a no brainer, but starting on the 12 inch mark and moving 6 inches every turn and shooting, he can likely get anywhere I need him and I mostly want him to drawn fire away from squishier targets.

Voldrak wrote:
Servitors - Faced a list that had a drop pop with locator beacon, a librarian with gate and a bunch of sternguard loaded with meltas and flamers. If the drop pod comes down, the sternguards port in right by your bastion with no scatter and then do mince meat of it.

Bubble wrap.

Bubble wrapping the bastion may be possible at 2000+ points, but not with 2 single sister troops at 1000-1500 points.

They need to be moving forward to reach objectives or stay in cover to prevent low ap hits.

How would you propose we wrap the bastion? it is a fairly large structure and would require a 6 inches bubble around it to prevent melta range.

IG Allies, if you aren't set on GK or ...

Sister squad that's on your home objective + 1-3 Exorcists (which are on your back board anyways). Depends on which you want to protect more.

I do have a force of Imperial guards I have been building to work as allies (Commissar Lord or Primaris Psycher, 1 infantry squad with roughly 40 guardsmen and a manticore), but I am set on testing Coteaz and divination right now and finding out how this fares.

I would however most likely use the aegis line with guards however.

I've been planning on an platoon command squad with sniper rifles in cover and having 4 infantry squad with autocannons or lascannons. Lord Commissar would likely man the quad gun while being joined to a squad of his own... but that is way down the road as I only have 1 of the 4 infantry squads painted at this time. Converted from flagellants and cadians to give them a Zealot look.

Get Jacobus, if you do that. Free Stubborn and FNP.

Yeah Celestine and Jacobus would be decent at higher levels.

Already have the model and a 40 man blob with heavy weapons having feel no pain would definately be annoying to remove.
You get plenty of sergeants to throw into challenges as well if you ever get assaulted.

Voldrak wrote:
Another tournament in March. 1500 points this time. Should have hopefully plenty of time to get stuff painted and thinking of bringing:

Celestine

2 x 10 Sister squads - Flamer, Multi Melta, Combi Flamer. - I didnt get much use of the melta's on these. Multi however was nice to threaten at range. Once they got charged however, I would love the additional flamer so going to try it this time.

5 Dominions - Meltagun x 2, plasma pistol and Immolator with Multi melta

7 Seraphims - handflamers x 2, plasma pistol and eviscerator.

Exorcist

5 Retributors - Heavy Bolters x 4

Allies:

Coteaz

Servitors x 3 - Heavy bolters x 2 and multimelta
Jokaero

Dreadknight - heavy Incinerator

Bastion with Icarus Lascannon


That gets me with 55 points to spare and not sure what to do with them at this point. I think the list setup is fairly straight forward and should play well on a 4x4 table.
I thought about a teleporter for the knight, but that would need me 20 more points from somewhere and given how small table is I am not sure it will see a lot of use.

Yesterday I ran a similar list at 1500:

Saint Celestine
10 BSS, MM
10 BSS, F/F, Rhino
8 Seraphim HF/HF, melta bombs
Exorcist
Exorcist
5 Retributors 4HB

Bastion w/ Icarus

Coteaz
2 Jokaero, 3 acolytes
Dreadknight greatsword, pt

Again, I felt that BSS didn't do much and i think ill strip them of the last rhino. They came in from the reserves turn two and helped a bit me to dispatch infiltrated T5 4 lascannon havoc squad (which destroyed my exorcist turn1) and deep striking terminators who destroyed my other exorcist turn 2, but sat on the board edge since turn 3. I made serious mistakes with deployment as you can tell and from now on i think that i'll use these two squads to buddlewrap back of the exorcists / bastion when appropriate. Overall, the game was exciting and ended 4-4 (kill points).

The downside is that the army feels defensive and extremely static so I wouldn't enjoy playing it every game. I think i may switch dreadknight for a cheap variant of storm raven and add some purifiers/paladins/strike squad and see how it goes.

That's actually a really solid list, Meh. Practice, practice, practice!

Several questions:

-Does anyone own an Avenger?
-Do they have measurements for it or can they compare it to a Ravenwing Dark Talon?

Ugh pre.....
I looked at the aenger and I really dont think its worth running. It dies so easy and its not as destructive as other fliers. Its too expensive for what it does IMHO.

Yeah, I'm mostly curious. I haven't even looked at the rules yet, but wanted to see from a modeling perspective.

I.e. I really want to put together a dark talon.

would it be legit for me to post the rules here/pm them to you since its not "codex"?

 pretre wrote:
Several questions:

-Does anyone own an Avenger?
-Do they have measurements for it or can they compare it to a Ravenwing Dark Talon?

IF you mean the Forgeworld Avenger Strike Fighter

Wingspan: 11 inches
Length: 9 1/2 inches
Rear wings' span: 5 inches
Engines: 3,5 inches

Now to find the measurements for the Dark Talon.

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while on the topic of measuring things, can someone help me by measuring how tall and wide St. Celestine is supposed to be while on the typical 25mm base?

I'm using the battle sister from the 54mm inquisitor line with wings tacked on as the current model (also doubles as my daemon prince in the chaos list as I have magnetic bases) but I think it may be too big for the actual substitution.

(I'm nearly there with painting of my sacred rose battle sisters, I just need to do the faces now (oh gawd I need helmets >.< (my IG are krieg and steel legion and all my marines wear helmets ) )

1,6 inches wide (the cape)
2,6 inches tall (from bottom of the 25mm base to top of the cape)


Mine is mounted on a normal 25mm base on top of a 40mm terminator base for stability. Basically only the sword really sticks beyond it.

thank you! Phew, mine still sorta works. it's 2.7 inches tall so 0.2 inches bigger but her halberd sticks up to 3.6 inchest total so it always looked taller. 2.5 inches wide for me from wing to wing though so it's a bit cumbersome to fit her on a 25mm base but there's 3 points of contact so it's actually pretty stable.

I may just permanently mount her on a 40 mm base though as the old daemon prince was on a 40mm base and it's just better balance though I'll probably end up with a scenic base that will make her 2.8 inches tall.

Think that'd it'd be considered modeling for advantage? I mean it does make it easier to place the flamer seraphrim around her with that compared to the 25mm base but slightly increased chance to deep strike mishap?

She's supposed to be on a 40mm base, btw.

Amerikon wrote:
She's supposed to be on a 40mm base, btw.

She's a pretty small model to put on a 40mm base assuming that you have one. She only came with a 25 mm base when i bought her from GW, is she listed as bulky in a faq or something?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1300012a

"
This pack contains one Saint Celestine - a finely detailed metal miniature that comes in four components, and is supplied with a 25mm round base. This miniature is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints."

Indeed, she only came with a 25mm for me too when I bought her circa 1 year ago.

But I've never had a problem with any opponents about it.

Celestine can indeed be on either bases.

She had the two bases in the blister package when I bought her myself a few years ago. I originally had the small base glued on top of the larger one to "pedestal" her, but realized that would make her stand above cover even more so removed the larger one.

Weird. Mine came with a large base, but I bought her when she was first released, so I don't know if they changed it. I can't imagine her being on the small one. There's no way that's even close to stable!

It's not.. I tried (and seen others try).

I very quickly glued her to a bigger base!

There was a time when she's included both bases in the same blister as well. I've got mine on the 40mm, but mine's significantly taller, heavier, and more top-heavy than the standard model too.

Never had issues with balance when on a small base.

I chose the small one most gameplay reason. When you're deep striking in really tight quarters with 7 seraphims around, you want to take as little space as possible
Bigger base can also mean more guys in contact with her and focusing on her.

Has anyone at a tourney had a problem with the saint on 40mm base with the TO or their opponent I guess is the bigger question.