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No one's mentioned it yet, but the prices...

40 Euros for 12 (otherwise normal) dice. Yeeouch. Could that be a typo?!

Not Mantic's usual friendly prices.

No matter. Ima gettin one of everything! (except the dice)

I've always found branded dice to be stupidly expensive. Mist be those special branded dice mines I hear so much about.

 pancakeonions wrote:
No one's mentioned it yet, but the prices...

40 Euros for 12 (otherwise normal) dice. Yeeouch. Could that be a typo?!

Seems like it. Not sure where you saw them for 40, but Firestorm has them for €7.45.

Any idea if we might see air support in the future? Dragons, airships, night stalker gribbly things?

randalthor wrote:
Any idea if we might see air support in the future? Dragons, airships, night stalker gribbly things?

Whose leg do we have to hump to get a Night Stalker unit called Gribbly Things?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Probably the best fleet, yeah. Still, feels weird that EoD would have blackpowder cannon

why do you think those are black powder weapons?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

And the oars look like the sculptor didn't really know what they do, but they were in the design brief so he tacked some on.

yeah, how to make them look "classic" without adding parts that are impossible to cast or break easy
but with the Mantic Resin being easy to work it should be easy to remove them as well

 insaniak wrote:

 pancakeonions wrote:
No one's mentioned it yet, but the prices...

40 Euros for 12 (otherwise normal) dice. Yeeouch. Could that be a typo?!

Seems like it. Not sure where you saw them for 40, but Firestorm has them for €7.45.

That sounds more like it. They certainly are not 40 EUR.

EDIT: RRP in EUR is 9.99 so the firestorm price will be with their online discount.

Really happy with this reveal, I'm sold. Having enjoyed the company of MattG a few times and immensely enjoying Vanguard, I am confident this will be a great system.

I'm just disappointed that I won't be able to demo this in my Pathfinder capacity any time soon.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Distinctive? We haven't seen a ship yet that doesn't look like it came straight from Dreadfleet

They should have named the new game "Scary Boats"

The ship's design is sure a bit over the top, but I'll be honest here and say you can immediately tell which faction they belong to. Each fleet is very different looking from the others.

I noticed something on the boxes from the Firestorm's shop...it looks like the small ships are put by two on a single base, like they're acting as a unit of two. Is that really the case or is it possible to play them individually ?

Sarouan wrote:
The ship's design is sure a bit over the top, but I'll be honest here and say you can immediately tell which faction they belong to. Each fleet is very different looking from the others.

I noticed something on the boxes from the Firestorm's shop...it looks like the small ships are put by two on a single base, like they're acting as a unit of two. Is that really the case or is it possible to play them individually ?

Squadrons represent 2 or 3 tiny ships working together. Same as in Black Seas.



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 pancakeonions wrote:
Hey Matt, kindly post a link to your podcasts here. I have no idea how to find 'em... Thanks!

I recorded Counter Charge earlier. Once they've edited it it will appear here: http://www.ohiohammer.com/

Anyone know of any US stockists that are doing pre-orders?

I wonder if my Uncharted Seas navies will be portable over to this.. managed to hang onto 5 different fleets from that game

 porkuslime wrote:
I wonder if my Uncharted Seas navies will be portable over to this.. managed to hang onto 5 different fleets from that game

Not very easily. There's stat cards and upgrade cards in the fleet boxes that you need to play.

Photocopy them, problem solved.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Photocopy them, problem solved.

I'm waiting for the 'piracy is ok because Mantic made me do it/it's a naval game'.

Both Mantic and Warlord have been good about providing free online force builders. There will probably be one for KoWA as well.

 sukura636 wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Photocopy them, problem solved.

I'm waiting for the 'piracy is ok because Mantic made me do it/it's a naval game'.

This something more of a grey area than pure piracy. If a customer buys the book and then uses the information in it to stat up some US or DW minis, that’s completely kosher. If they “counts as” using information from a friend’s card to play the game with said friend, that would be fine. If they promote the game by playing their OOP US minis against gamers thinking about buying the existing Mantic minis, that helps out Mantic. If they buy the book and copy the cards but never intended to buy any minis...that’s not ideal for Mantic, but not actually a loss, and potentially a gain if they introduce a fun game to friends who are willing to buy minis. Pirating a pdf or the rulebook and cards to play with US ships, that would be wrong.

Here we go:



I like the idea of named ships.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Here we go:

Spoiler:

I like the idea of named ships.

Thanks for posting that image, very helpful.

I also like the idea of named ships. Makes a lot of sense too.

NP. Something else that stuck out to me wwere the apparent size of the extra large ships copmared to the large ships which we've already seen. Looks like they'll be huge.

Matt G, can you tell us when we'll see Nightstalker ships?

 .Mikes. wrote:
NP. Something else that stuck out to me wwere the apparent size of the extra large ships copmared to the large ships which we've already seen. Looks like they'll be huge.

Matt G, can you tell us when we'll see Nightstalker ships?

I hope they go a bit "out there" for Nightstalkers and have things like fogs and mists rather than actual ships (thinking a bit of the Shadows Planet Killer in Babylon 5)

First Podcast mit Mat Gilbert is online
http://www.ohiohammer.com/counter-chargeccx/ce5czkj69sdrbpj-kgkmp-zhw94-amchl-m66zw-3mty3-wazlt-jslwk-ttnrx-hw4yj-phrtp-typhy-4llg8-923wk?fbclid=IwAR00EAh2Ff3siD7MY8EG73TCrWGl2HaTzj_N5TdbdGTTcRdzfdJpHgC0e1M




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Bullet point summery?

(not fully done with the podcast yet but) for the rules points:
they changed the rules to fit KoW style, eg. modifiers are reversed to work the same as in KoW and Vanguard and not like in BS

also more streamlined, the standard Windrose in BS is the optional advanced one in Armada while the new Armada one just gives initiative (which made the factions easier to balance)

also the faction design is with the characteristics from KoW in mind so Dwarfs are what you expect from KoW Dwarfs

 kodos wrote:
(not fully done with the podcast yet but) for the rules points:
they changed the rules to fit KoW style, eg. modifiers are reversed to work the same as in KoW and Vanguard and not like in BS

also more streamlined, the standard Windrose in BS is the optional advanced one in Armada while the new Armada one just gives initiative (which made the factions easier to balance)

also the faction design is with the characteristics from KoW in mind so Dwarfs are what you expect from KoW Dwarfs

Cheers

Some of the things I picked up from Matt's podcast (I actually sat through the full 1.5hours! Unprecedented for me!):

- 2 factions at release, 2 factions (dwarf, Empire of Dust) in Q1 2021. 4 factions "in the works". Nightstalkers are shown in the preview, Trident Realms were mentioned in the podcast (were there others I missed?). The Trident Realms in particular seems like they may go for a more "dark elf" style fleet: giant sea creatures with possible platforms on their backs for boarding parties, etc. Sounded very cool! They're probably thinking about releases from mid 2021 or later, if the game sells well
- Because the ships are resin, and the costs here are lower than HIPS, Matt talked about extra bits to help customize your ships (like the named unique ships), so we might see elements in the boxed set for variations in ship style and look. Look at the Basilean Dictator in the pic above, and its named variant, to get an idea of what this might look like.
- No rules for fliers in base rules, but lots of hints that it's "in the works" if the game does well. I suspect an expansion would have fliers, and we'd see cool models if the game does well.
- Lots of administrative changes to Black Seas, so the games aren't compatible. e.g., BS uses "roll under" a value on the d10, KOWA sticks with the more standard "meet or beat" a value on the d10, so high rolls are better. No wake tokens to indicate speed, no "hit point" sliders on the cards (you pile damage tokens on the ship cards). Once your ship has a certain threshold of damage, it takes a check to surrender or not, a little like "nerve" in KoW. Wind is a big issue for sails-reliant fleets, and the basic wind rules are much more friendly to sails-reliant nations (e.g., Basileans, orcs) than non-sails reliant nations (e.g., dwarves)
- Ship stats are on the cards, and not in the rule book. So you'd need the rules and a fleet box to play as the latter comes with the ship cards. Don't know what their plans for fleet builders or online availability will be. Probably not for a while!
- Lots of options to upgrade your ship. Magic items, special crew, named captains (I think only two/ nation at release?)
- Standard game will be 250 points, ships will be equivalently priced as the Black Seas ships divided by 10 (I think I got this right?), so your standard game will be maybe 5-9 ships. Fleet building rules are simple, but have been designed to prevent folks from bringing three dreadnaughts and that's it. You can only bring one unique (i.e., named) ship. Don't remember specifics, but it should be simple and easy to implement.
- The named ships are all extra large (see pic above) except the dwarf named ship, which I believe is medium (this bodes well for my Dreadfleet ships in drydock... as I think they'll be similar-ish in size and scale!)
- I will be buying one of everything, and you should too

What else did I miss? Probably lots. I didn't take notes, and was a little drunk by the end of the podcast (celebrations and all, you know!)

 pancakeonions wrote:
Some of the things I picked up from Matt's podcast (I actually sat through the full 1.5hours! Unprecedented for me!):

- 2 factions at release, 2 factions (dwarf, Empire of Dust) in Q1 2021. 4 factions "in the works". Nightstalkers are shown in the preview, Trident Realms were mentioned in the podcast (were there others I missed?). The Trident Realms in particular seems like they may go for a more "dark elf" style fleet: giant sea creatures with possible platforms on their backs for boarding parties, etc. Sounded very cool! They're probably thinking about releases from mid 2021 or later, if the game sells well

Have Nightstalkers been shown anywhere at all? That's new.

 pancakeonions wrote:
Some of the things I picked up from Matt's podcast (I actually sat through the full 1.5hours! Unprecedented for me!):

- 2 factions at release, 2 factions (dwarf, Empire of Dust) in Q1 2021. 4 factions "in the works". Nightstalkers are shown in the preview, Trident Realms were mentioned in the podcast (were there others I missed?

Just based on the existing Kings of War fiction I'm expecting Elves and Salamanders, but I guess we'll see what happens

Disappointed the wind rules have been simplified and removed (the advanced rules atleast), that’s the whole point of playing an naval game isn’t it , makes it unique. But I still be buying it anyhoo.