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Methinks a lot of people will be adding Ogres after this update.

All the pics:






Lovely models.

Why do they all stand like they gotta go to the bathroom really bad? This was the same issue with the original enforcers, Knock-kneed, unnatural leg poses.

They aren't walking, they aren't standing... I can't tell what they are doing except looking to keep their bladders from exploding down their leg.

They are nice from the waist up. Just like the trolls...

The paint jobs on the ogres are nice and so are the sculpts above the waist. I agree that they are kind of posed in the "i gotta pee!" kid pose strangely.

Yeah the legs could be designed better, but this is the best looking unit from the kickstarter, such as it is. I love the paintjobs though, something I might have to mimic for my units.

I really like them

(apart for the unnessesary loincloths... I presume they're there for some sort of casting reason)

I'm fine with them, I quite like 'em actually. Imagine them without the loincloth and it looks less knock-kneed.

I'm going to get my ultrasonic blade out and cut and reposition the arms and legs. I'll likely have the crossbows and guns facing forwards so it doesn't look like they're trying to poke the guy next to them in the eye (like the second ogre across seems to have done).

For anyone that wanted to know, the Ogre Army Deal's command upgrade is _just the bits alone_. So you get two sets of the _bits_.

I like them. The knock-knee pose isn't as bad as I have seen.

It's pretty funny that people are really going to town on Mantic about that and a lot of those same people will reminisce about how Rackham is still the best out there. Tons of their models suffered from the same knock-knee pose, if I remember correctly.

I really don't like knock-knee poses either, for the record. Nor for that matter am I a fan of loincloths...

I will be picking these up when they hit retail.

~Eric

Agreed, love all but the legs! Man, I think those could look great as units all ranked up, where the legs are less noticeable. Overall, they're my favorite unit put out by Mantic to date, by far! And the paint scheme is sweet, too

I think the Kickstarter update explains why the Ogres squeeze their legs together like that. They don't have anything between them.

"Some Ogres never feel the mating urge and remain in the south all their days (the Basileans have perfected a means of ensuring this)."

Think they look really good.. distinctive paint-scheme as well, actually think I prefer that to the paler-skinned GW standard style.

Yeah, the fact they are more muscled is a bonus. I can't stand the flabby GW ones. I think with a bit of reposing you could get a lot of uses out of them, even putting them on thundertusk/stonehorn or Mournfang cavalry. Maneaters might require a little more, as well as heroes, but nothing out of the realm of possibility.

I quite like them - but sadly I already own a sizeable GW ogre army, so I have 0 use for them.

nkelsch wrote:
Why do they all stand like they gotta go to the bathroom really bad? This was the same issue with the original enforcers, Knock-kneed, unnatural leg poses.

They aren't walking, they aren't standing... I can't tell what they are doing except looking to keep their bladders from exploding down their leg.

They are nice from the waist up. Just like the trolls...

I got a bunch of the Enforcers painted up, look fine to me.

For every nkelsch there's an overtyrant.

Personal perspectives!

I think the Ogres are very nice, the best of the KoW sculpts so far, but a few of them do have odd leg posing issues.

I don't accept that the ogres have no junk or were neutered as an explanation why they waddle with their knees together. But it is a curious new defense to justify issues as 'intended'. Someone actually sat down and said to a sculptor, "Remember, many of the ogres have no junk ro were neutered, so please visualize that concept as a core aspect of the model when you design it even though none of the concept art showed the ogres as junkless knobbied-knee poses." In all the concept art they have legs spread in a kinda haunched, bent-knee 'brace for impact pose' and none of the models look anywhere close.

It is simply odd that they look this way and odder that they need to justify it with fluff.

nkelsch wrote:

I don't accept that the ogres have no junk or were neutered as an explanation why they waddle with their knees together. But it is a curious new defense to justify issues as 'intended'.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facetious

Has anyone ever seen nkelsch and Kroothawk in the same room?

 Alpharius wrote:
Has anyone ever seen nkelsch and Kroothawk in the same room?

LoL. Nice and very astute!


I love the ogres and plan to use them as Maneaters in my WHFB army since I already have a man-brazillion of the GW fat boys.

I'm at a crossroads with these ogres. I really like them but I much prefer my fatties and have a huge army of them that I use both for Fantasy and KoW. I might just get enough to use for Mantic event's and use my fatties for other games.

Why did they paint them as Uruk Hai?

 Riquende wrote:
Why did they paint them as Uruk Hai?

Because they wanted to distance themselves from all the complaints of them just making knockoff Warhammer figures. Now they're copying LotR

Changed my choices for the Kickstarter;

1 x Kings and Legends Book - $10
1 x Basilean Legacy Book - $15
1 x Ba'su'su the Vile - $8
1 x Abyssal Dwarf Fire Team - $12
1 x Goblin Fleabag Archer upgrade - $5
1 x Ogre Army deal - $125
1 x Ogre Warrior BOGOF choice - $25

The $125 Ogre Army deal offers better value for money than 5 $25 BOGOF choices, as you get a free Ogre Hero and 2 Command packs. That is, of course, if the Army deal is 27 Ogre Warriors, 18 Ogre Shooters, 1 Ogre hero and 2 Command Packs.

So, I think I should be fairly well set for an Ogre Army after this. I don't think I should need more than 36 Ogres in either regular Ogre or Irongut style, and 21 Shooters (18 plus my free 3 Ogre choice).

I really like the Ogres. I dont' play fantasy, but I want an Ogre army.

I mean, $125 should be enough to a playable army in KoW, right?

 Polonius wrote:
I really like the Ogres. I dont' play fantasy, but I want an Ogre army.

I mean, $125 should be enough to a playable army in KoW, right?

If the points are the same as the kingdom of men list, I count 1725 pts.

I have 30+ ogres coming already from soldier, stretches and 2 bogofs. Didn't see much need in getting the ogre army at the moment, bu I got the Basileans! Be snagging that chariot as a freebie in the box, and I love the paladins and MaAs. And the Eloihi are amazing too. Pretty much getting two full armies from this. After its all done, is there any chance of somebody (I'll even start it, if people want) creating a giant swap thread where everyone can put in the stuff they don't want for trade? Swap shop with a stickie might not be bad, but it may be better in the Mantic subforum?

To be honest, Kroothawk is very reasonable and refreshing... nkelsch is just boringly unnerving.

And they are not the same person I can assure you.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
To be honest, Kroothawk is very reasonable and refreshing... nkelsch is just boringly unnerving.

And they are not the same person I can assure you.

I guess when blindly carrying water for a company, instead of addressing the very valid criticism leveled by dozens of posters and customers it is easier to attack and name-call one or two of them in an attempt to invalidate the criticism.

No other company posting models on dakka has as much excuses made about why the models look b ad in photographs but somehow the very real flaws 'somehow' are better in person... and guess what? They are not. Bad models look bad. Good models look good. There are very real issues with Mantic's art direction, quality of their available sculptors and their ability to make legitimate faithful translations of concept arts to actual models. They failed yet again with the ogres as the legs are clearly 'wrong' and don't match the concept art the same way the trolls were a failure.

The sooner they fire every single sculptor (except Remy) and go all 3D, the better off they will be.

Or you can continue to make excuses and confuse people into continuing to think the models will be 'better in person' only to have them recieve them and be unhappy and be stuck with an expensive return shipping problem. If they look bad in photographs, they are bad models and people need to be skeptical to protect themselves.