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Ah ok. I thought they were doing it on all of them. No great loss, I guess, as they're just destined for the bits box since they're not exactly useful trade fodder.

OK, I've been a bit negative in this thread recently. But I'm not entirely a bad guy weaned on twitter and bile, so let me share some of the positives about the MaA.

Most importantly, Mantic did something very right with them: they successfully based the MaA look entirely off of the design sketches. I know this is a bit like praising Little Timmy for not biting strangers on the face, but in the current Mantic context I feel it is necessary to provide positive reinforcement for good behavior. The torsos and arms are dressed exactly like the sketch, which means they look fantastic as fantasy soldiers. The heads (well, helmets and facial hair) grab hold of the Mantic aesthetic and own it like a sweaty-toothed madman. The weapons and shields look exactly like the art. If the proportions and sculpting/scanning/whatever had been executed well, this kit would be dynamite.

The poses are a lot of fun. These aren't boring old Perry miniatures. With some work, these will make some very dynamic models.

Mine arrived yesterday, having had a good look and being up at stupid o'clock with nothing much to do here are a few thoughts, I'll go from bad to good as I want end on some positivity

Men At Arms (BOGOF) - Blech! Terrible sculpts in the wrong scale, unforgivable. I'll concede Bob's point about adhering to the concept art, but I thought the initial art (the guy with the space marine shoulderpads - can't find the pic right now) was far more appealing. Regardless, these are real bargain basement stuff.

Mummy (freebie) - badly proportioned and I don't think it fits the rest of the undead (particularly the plastics). Not even sure if it's a mummified human.

Troll (freebie) - an odd one.. individually the parts are well sculpted... but they look like they are from totally different models! Someone suggested the reaper bones troll as a source of replacement legs, frankly I don't think they will cut it! Try the Storm Giant The head too is barely orc sized - that's where mine will probably end up - and to me just does not look convincing on that torso. Having said that, I am somewhat looking forward to the challenge of finding uses for all of it - waste not want not

Elf palace guard (freebie) - okay, fits the mantic elf aesthetic.

Gargoyle (freebie) - perfectly acceptable, I agree with whoever suggested upthread that using the wing+tail piece as the basis for some flying ripper-esque creature is more exciting than model itself imho.

Elohi (BOGOF) - head issue aside, pretty good. However I have a bit of buyers remorse as I have no use for them.... maybe some 54mm Inquisitory conversion??

Battle Sisters (freebie) - Arm/weapon issues aside (Mantic should make a slogan around variations of that) better than I expected from the pics, and I somewhat regret swapping away from these in my bogof's. With a bit of work and some better female heads from Hasslefree/statuesque you could have a really nice unit. As it is I think I've a couple of new Escher/Cawdor juves.

Fight Wagon (freebie) - Another perfectly good model I have no immediate use for, but will happily accept.

Brock Rider (freebie) - Pretty cool. The rough patches of fur from the WIP sculpt are still there (surprise surprise) but less noticeable than on the green. Still doesn't look particularly badgery to me, more of a mutated rat or wombat - maybe a good skaven hero mount? Rider is nice too.

Ogre Hero (freebie) - Excellent! I was one of the naysayers about the oversized arms/knock kneed pose but I'm sorry i doubted you Remy, this model is fantastic in the flesh. (As an army however I think there is far too little variety across the range.) I also think it will go very nicely with the reaper bones ogre:

http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=653_667&products_id=25849

which could be a reasonable source of parted legs if people do want some pose variety.

Paladins and Paladins on horses (BOGOF) - Highly recommended, excellent fantasy sculpts. To be picky I would have liked more variety in the sculpts especially the helms, and more poses would have been nice, but otherwise can't be faulted.


The definition of a mixed bag then! but overall largely better than I was expecting, with some nice surprises. I actually think I'd have been happier if the men at arms simply didn't turn up and deeply wish they weren't a paid for choice -up there for worst $25 I've ever spent- but they qualified me for the freebies at least... see? I told you I would end positive


ps quick question - I have one large square base with the mantic circular hole - who is it for? The gargoyle?

Received my final shipment yesterday. Poor packaging resulted in the metal kits basically ramming the restic pieces around throughout the cross-pond hop and delivering; luckily no real damage except to the box itself which leads to, missing pieces; none of the metal heroes have weapons or heads. The poor packaging and resulting sliding and banging about either resulted in these pieces falling out the gaps in the box or they weren't packed to begin with.

I'll add that I'm missing all the gun-ogres that I was supposed to get and instead received all melee ogres...whatever.

Missing pieces in the restic packages...not surprising and happened in the second shipment as well, resulted in being unable to complete 2 fleabag riders and the chariot.

I found that I hate restic with an abiding passion because it resists my file making it hard to clean mold lines.

Did anyone notice that some of the weapons with hands molded on are reversed? Odd.

Not enough bases for all the models, especially the larger models.

I don't plan on contacting Mantic but won't be sending them another penny of my hobby dollars because they obviously can't be depended upon to even package things properly.

This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the future as they suckered me into deadzone. If it's pursued with the same lackluster attempt at professionalism and everything's in restic like this mess, I'll just burn it in the backyard and send the melted mess back to Mantic.

I've done most of the inventory for my wife's set. Leaving only a shirtload of ogres. A few things missing, including the second set of ogre command bits, so sadly I'm going to have to conatct them. I'll wait till I finish the ogres, and then I'm expecting my own pledge to arrive this week, so I'll be spending another day on inventory. So I'll do any contacting as a combined thing.

I will say that while some of it is as awful as 3 expected, some of it is actually quite good. I'm just glad they let us change out BOGOF selections when it was almost all done, as we really dodged quite a few bullets there. Oh fudge. I just remembers I ordered two undead armies plus a pile of other extra BOGOFs in that final survey. I know they're good figures, but faaark.....

I know what you mean. The trolls in particular are so close to be awesome if not for the weedy legs. I don't have a use for most of the freebies anyway so they'll sit in a drawer...

I'm just wondering, should I be concerned that my final wave hasn't arrived? Is anybody else missing it, or has everybody on here gotten theirs? I posted on the KS page as well, but I see a lot of people in surrounding states have gotten theirs, and I'm a tad bit closer to the UK...postal failure or am I in the last group having wave 3 shipped?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm just wondering, should I be concerned that my final wave hasn't arrived? Is anybody else missing it, or has everybody on here gotten theirs? I posted on the KS page as well, but I see a lot of people in surrounding states have gotten theirs, and I'm a tad bit closer to the UK...postal failure or am I in the last group having wave 3 shipped?

havent gotten mine yet either.

Ok, then if there are more backers waiting, then I won't panic.




Aaaauuuuggghbhhhh!!!!





Much.

 agnosto wrote:
Received my final shipment yesterday. Poor packaging resulted in the metal kits basically ramming the restic pieces around throughout the cross-pond hop and delivering; luckily no real damage except to the box itself which leads to, missing pieces; none of the metal heroes have weapons or heads. The poor packaging and resulting sliding and banging about either resulted in these pieces falling out the gaps in the box or they weren't packed to begin with.

I'll add that I'm missing all the gun-ogres that I was supposed to get and instead received all melee ogres...whatever.

Missing pieces in the restic packages...not surprising and happened in the second shipment as well, resulted in being unable to complete 2 fleabag riders and the chariot.

Again Mantic exceeds my expectations.

I'm surprised at the lost metal bits. Not that it was the best packaging ever, but the metal bits were taped into two bubble wrap baggies, and there wasn't much extra room for stuff to move around in the box (layer of foam added to fill space in mine).

A bit of a strange layout within those baggies with the metals with model parts mixed between the two baggies, but I'm pretty sure everything was there for me.

Where's that Blaine pic? Kroot posted more Mantic hate, we need the 'haters gonna hate' Blaine picture.

decker_cky wrote:
I'm surprised at the lost metal bits. Not that it was the best packaging ever, but the metal bits were taped into two bubble wrap baggies, and there wasn't much extra room for stuff to move around in the box (layer of foam added to fill space in mine).

A bit of a strange layout within those baggies with the metals with model parts mixed between the two baggies, but I'm pretty sure everything was there for me.

Maybe they didn't pack it? There was just one bubble wrap bag in the box and it was pretty much destroyed from them not putting any filler in the box to keep things from banging around. I just assumed that the small bits fell out the vents in the bottom of the box.

At this point, I'm not surprised; they've treated this KS like a bastard step-child from the start and I wish I could go back in time and slap myself for backing it and Deadzone. The (not) fine folks at mantic can take a long walk off of a short pier for all I care anymore.

Got my package through. As I expected I am only (very) disappointed with the M@A, Nuns and the cathorses. I am very pleased with this KS and there Dreadball KS (my main game ATM), also im glad I went in on there Deadzone KS (have played the beta rules alot and its a great game) as well and again Mantic has exceeded my expectations. Glad I stop playing GW and now play mostly Mantic games.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Received my final shipment yesterday. Poor packaging resulted in the metal kits basically ramming the restic pieces around throughout the cross-pond hop and delivering; luckily no real damage except to the box itself which leads to, missing pieces; none of the metal heroes have weapons or heads. The poor packaging and resulting sliding and banging about either resulted in these pieces falling out the gaps in the box or they weren't packed to begin with.

I'll add that I'm missing all the gun-ogres that I was supposed to get and instead received all melee ogres...whatever.

Missing pieces in the restic packages...not surprising and happened in the second shipment as well, resulted in being unable to complete 2 fleabag riders and the chariot.

Again Mantic exceeds my expectations.

That's one righteous space pimp doing his thang!

More of a slapdash effort since I'm not good at memes (or fast, apparently):



I like the frowny face look there, like he's going "Oh GOD, I'm in a Mantic game..."

 Krinsath wrote:
More of a slapdash effort since I'm not good at memes (or fast, apparently):



I like the frowny face look there, like he's going "Oh GOD, I'm in a Mantic game..."

Awesome.

Simply awesome.

Can someone point me towards a list of what all was supposed to be included in this last wave? I got my shipment, but I am missing all my heroes - but not sure what else I'm missing.

Thanks

there should be a packing slip with what's meant to be there on it

there's beeen so much (potential) swapping going on it will be hard to figure out what you should have had

It also depends on what $$ level you were in at. If you can find the KoW Kickstarter thread, Scarlet Squig's OP lists all of the extras that come at the various dollar levels.

Some BOGOF stuff from the final survey missing, but most other things look to be there. And I'm not sure about everybody elses MaAs, but mine are fine: the detail is good, the height is the same as the Paladins...either I got a perfect batch or something went horribly wrong for you guys (or both). I'll put a picture up later, but I compared their size to the sisters, and they're about 1 mm taller in the shoulder area, which is accurate as men are biologically larger than women most of the time, and while both are in the bag right now, I compared to the Paladin legs, and those look accurate too.

Here's a size comparison without arms. The MaA body is the middle one. Now, I'm not a rocket scientist...but it looks to me like my bodies are accurately sized. I have no need to do any cutting. I'm not judging any of you that are unhappy with yours-but I'm just giving the heads up that mine are totally fine.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Some BOGOF stuff from the final survey missing, but most other things look to be there. And I'm not sure about everybody elses MaAs, but mine are fine: the detail is good, the height is the same as the Paladins...either I got a perfect batch or something went horribly wrong for you guys (or both). I'll put a picture up later, but I compared their size to the sisters, and they're about 1 mm taller in the shoulder area, which is accurate as men are biologically larger than women most of the time, and while both are in the bag right now, I compared to the Paladin legs, and those look accurate too.

Looking forward to your shots, given how much that info contradicts everyone elses (and my own first hand experience). I hope it's accurate as the giantness of my MaAs is the most of my issue with them.

If you guys want, I'll add pictures of the MaAs when finished as well, but I wanted a rough picture of them standing next to a sister torso/legs and a paladin torso/legs. As you can see from the picture in my previous post, the height of my MaA models is fine. A couple of the hands look a bit odd, and the arms are still long. The heads also have soft detail, but the height looks totally accurate.

That said, HOLY CRAP, that mounted Twilight Kin character is fething HUGE!!

 timetowaste85 wrote:


That said, HOLY CRAP, that mounted Twilight Kin character is fething HUGE!!

The biggest damn elf riding the biggest damn horse I've ever seen. :-)

I quite like the Abyssal golems too, for some reason the snail necks seem fitting; like a demon curled up in a stone shell...all hermit crap-like.

My box arrived at the weekend, taken me a couple of evenings to work throu. Looks like nothing is missing. I love the Ogres (which I pretty much went all out on, thanks to being able to swap out Basilean BOGOs I had pledged for). I also like the Trolls, the Golems, the Gargoyles and the fight wagons.

I have mixed feelings about this KS. On the one hand, the majority of the sculpts produced are sub-par, the Basilean's being the most disappointing. On the other hand, I put the small Basilean army I got up for sale and fingers crossed have already sold it, then I have all the other freebies up for sale also, so I expect to make back a third or more of to what I paid out, so, am essentially getting 2 large KOW armies (Undead and Ogres) for under $200. I guess it worked out well for me but just feels like a massive missed opportunity for Mantic.

I'm happy with all my Basileans so far. I must admit, I was extremely worried about the MaAs, hearing all the horror stories. I hope at least some other people get accurately sized MaAs-it'll be extremely weird if I was the only one who did.

Hah - it's funny. Without arms or heads the Basilean army actually looks pretty darn nice.

My Basilean torso army will be the envy of all!

The Paladins look pretty damn good with heads too. Lol. I have a couple mounted ones done up, and they look great.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Some BOGOF stuff from the final survey missing, but most other things look to be there. And I'm not sure about everybody elses MaAs, but mine are fine: the detail is good, the height is the same as the Paladins...either I got a perfect batch or something went horribly wrong for you guys (or both). I'll put a picture up later, but I compared their size to the sisters, and they're about 1 mm taller in the shoulder area, which is accurate as men are biologically larger than women most of the time, and while both are in the bag right now, I compared to the Paladin legs, and those look accurate too.

Here's a size comparison without arms. The MaA body is the middle one. Now, I'm not a rocket scientist...but it looks to me like my bodies are accurately sized. I have no need to do any cutting. I'm not judging any of you that are unhappy with yours-but I'm just giving the heads up that mine are totally fine.

Assemble the whole model, your opinion will change.

The heads and arms are a large part of the problem...the men-at-arms have *gigantic* arms, weapons and heads, none of which seem to fit properly, or stick out at odd angles; which, combined with their beanpole torso makes things look horribly gangly.

Once you get the build put together and finished, the paladins look a bit midgety next to the MAA, weilding smaller swords in 2 hands while the MAA have giant heads and weild a larger sword in one hand and a massive shield in the other.

I reduced the height mainly to create a stockier, chunkier looking mini rather than a large and gangly one. The arms are still horrendous post-conversion but they don't stick out as much (both literally and figuratively).