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Daedleh wrote:
I didn't really look at the golems too closely since they got traded off as soon as I got them. From what I've seen they look alright and do the job but nothing outstanding.

Werewolves look alright, especially when painted completely furry rather than fleshtone + fur bits. A lack of variety really hurts them though and I do think they're a touch too small.

I'll go with this description of both of them. The werewolves are effectively heroic scale 28mm figures, rather than the huge 40mm beasts promised - so nowhere near the scale of the Confrontation stuff (metal or plastic).


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nkelsch wrote:

And some may not be, because what you call 'free' they call add-ons diluting the cost so the value was finally worth them getting in. They saw those 'freebies' as models they expected.

And what good is 175$ pledge for 250$ of models if 75$ of those models go right int he garbage because you can't re-sell them as no one wants them?

'Value' is relative, and 'free' is misleading as it isn't free, it is just the changing the cost of the overall package. It is like saying 500$ for 4 tires vs 500$ for 3 tires and the 4th one is free.

And 'Throw away the stuff you don't like' is not a great tagline for a kickstarter. I don't see why people keep pushing that as an acceptable outcome.

FWIW I have had no problem selling any of my KS extras, despite thinking I would. I had a $342 pledge - I kept the Ogres and Undead I pledged for, plus the Trolls as I like them, but put everything else up for sale and got $225 back over the week it took them to sell. So I essentially got a massive undead and Ogre army for a touch over $100. Best value KS ever.

 Azazelx wrote:

Daedleh wrote:
I didn't really look at the golems too closely since they got traded off as soon as I got them. From what I've seen they look alright and do the job but nothing outstanding.

Werewolves look alright, especially when painted completely furry rather than fleshtone + fur bits. A lack of variety really hurts them though and I do think they're a touch too small.

I'll go with this description of both of them. The werewolves are effectively heroic scale 28mm figures, rather than the huge 40mm beasts promised - so nowhere near the scale of the Confrontation stuff (metal or plastic).


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... okay, no way am I reposting all of those
Just one, as an example then:

Is a bit rough, blown up to that size but hey, for a quick paintjob I kinda like them now.

I'll have to disagree with you that they're 28mm heroic stuff, though. It's an 'in-between' size if you were looking for GWesque oversized but it's certainly bigger than just heroic - and substantially, too.

 scarletsquig wrote:
@Fenris: Sure, here they are:

Spoiler:

Won't gak up this thread too much, but my thoughts on it can be found in the PDC KS thread in misc. minis forum, and summarized as "super-happy, I should have spent 5x more on their KS".

Just a comment about PDC gaming as being a standard to meet.
None of their sprues attempt to create fine detail on top of organic shapes. They do a very good job, but everything is tubes, simple curves and boxes. Even their had wepons are not terribly detailed compared to GW. Not to say that they probably couldn't do more complex things, but they have in no way demonstrated that they could do better than Mantic, or any other company in actually producing miniature people.

 Bolognesus wrote:

I'll go with this description of both of them. The werewolves are effectively heroic scale 28mm figures, rather than the huge 40mm beasts promised - so nowhere near the scale of the Confrontation stuff (metal or plastic).

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Unfortunately, the pics are locked behind a Mantic Forum registration thingy.

... okay, no way am I reposting all of those
Just one, as an example then:

Is a bit rough, blown up to that size but hey, for a quick paintjob I kinda like them now.

I'll have to disagree with you that they're 28mm heroic stuff, though. It's an 'in-between' size if you were looking for GWesque oversized but it's certainly bigger than just heroic - and substantially, too.

I think you're confusing "size" and "scale". Though 28mm is technically a size of a figure being 28mm from sole to eye, folks also use it to refer to figures that whatever their size, are "in-scale" with average male human figures that are that height. The werewolves are definitely 40mm. tall (compare them to the 40mm base they are on) and appear to be even taller. I'm not a fan of the figures themselves (I much prefer the confrontation wolfen) but in terms of size they are exactly what mantic said they would be. Whether or not they are GW size or not affects some users, but shouldn't be held against Mantic as a company as the height and size of a were-wolf varies drastically depending on what fantasy universe one is playing in.

... I think you're replying to az, not me there, right?

 Bolognesus wrote:
... I think you're replying to az, not me there, right?

Looks like the quote got mixed up. I'm replying to whoever didn't think the werewolves were 40mm tall, or confused them with 40mm scale, something entirely different.

Changed to remove name.

Just tossing this out here, but if anyone with a lot of MaA's is looking to sell off their heads, I would like to buy all the visored heads you can sell (depending on price and shipping costs). Just the visored heads, though. Pedosmile and Muppet have no place in my army.

 Eilif wrote:

I think you're confusing "size" and "scale". Though 28mm is technically a size of a figure being 28mm from sole to eye, folks also use it to refer to figures that whatever their size, are "in-scale" with average male human figures that are that height. The werewolves are definitely 40mm. tall (compare them to the 40mm base they are on) and appear to be even taller. I'm not a fan of the figures themselves (I much prefer the confrontation wolfen) but in terms of size they are exactly what mantic said they would be. Whether or not they are GW size or not affects some users, but shouldn't be held against Mantic as a company as the height and size of a were-wolf varies drastically depending on what fantasy universe one is playing in.

Actually, I was expecting more of a Confrontation Wolfen size, given the talk of 40mm bases and the sketches (and even the sculpts, before the finished models were in-hand). Nothing to do with GW - though I feel like they're actually more of a current-GW size for this sort of thing, though GW would have them overhanging on 25mm bases. They'll work on 40mm round bases, though.

 Azazelx wrote:

Daedleh wrote:
I didn't really look at the golems too closely since they got traded off as soon as I got them. From what I've seen they look alright and do the job but nothing outstanding.

Werewolves look alright, especially when painted completely furry rather than fleshtone + fur bits. A lack of variety really hurts them though and I do think they're a touch too small.

I'll go with this description of both of them. The werewolves are effectively heroic scale 28mm figures, rather than the huge 40mm beasts promised - so nowhere near the scale of the Confrontation stuff (metal or plastic).

Wanted to get back to you on this: here's a metal confrontation wulfen model, right next to a mantic werewolf (sorry for pic quality, but it gets the point across).



I'd say the scale is pretty close, actually.

Height is close, but I can see where the Mantic version would look a bit weedy next to the Confrontation Wulfen. I've dipped and rebased a batch of the Confrontation prepainted Wulfen for my Kings of War army and they look great.

I personally prefer their tribal clothed look to the furry crotched Mantic figs, and the confrontation plastics are actually true multipart models that can be separated at the glue joints and reposed in a multitude of ways. At some point I'll get some pics of them up.

Also, it didn't hurt that they were a buck or less apiece at miniatures market....

Yup, plastics look nice. Really though, the shipping from miniature market to the EU kills it on those sets - two to three times the price of the confrontation boxes.

Just got my kickstarter boxes, and I'm a bit overwhelmed. Are there any instruction guides out there, especially for the metal models?

Which of the metals do you need help with? Most of them have bits in both baggies, just pour them out and sort bits per model. They're quite straightforward to assemble once you've got them sorted. Do use a pin (or twenty!) with the large basilean heroes, though

I just used regular super glue, no pins needed. The parts are very self explanatory: just look at the images online and it should help out plenty.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
no pins needed

On the angels? Wow, you are one hell of an optimist

I don't know if I'll even bother to try and assemble the female angel character model. Maybe when I get my Dremel properly set up...

 Azazelx wrote:
I don't know if I'll even bother to try and assemble the female angel character model. Maybe when I get my Dremel properly set up...

i'm undecided if i want to try and build that model, or wait and get the stuff to recast the wings in resin, cause i don't see trying to pin those chunky metal wings with their tiny connection points being anything but a path to rage and violence

Nod. That is one model which would have been much more appropriate for Restic than metal.

 Azazelx wrote:
Nod. That is one model which would have been much more appropriate for Restic than metal.

at a quick guesstimate, i'd say each wing weights in around the same as the metal dwarf character that was also in the shipment
even if not the whole model, having the wings in a lighter material would have been awesome
i just don't see a lot of people bothering with the stock wings, given the effort they'll take to attach, and the fact that looking at the model to hard will probably cause them to snap back off

 Bolognesus wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
no pins needed

On the angels? Wow, you are one hell of an optimist

Optimist? Or successful at what I suggested?

I am with TimeToWaste onthe not needing pins on the angel wings. As well as the main attachment points to the back you have secondary bits of wing which glue onto the cloak. As Greenskin Lynn says though if they stay on is an entirely different matter. But overall both Angel characters were a lot easier to construct than I imagined. Also yesterday I got my few replacement bits from Mantic that were missed from my 3rd shipment, so good work and customer service there.

i suppose one could also get creative with the design of the base to work in some additional connection points

edit-perhaps incorporate some sort of broken pillars or something

Elf stormwind cav are up for general sale:

Plastic or restic?

Restic.

Those look rather nice. Certainly a big improvement on the Dragon Cavalry, even from the one photo.

Just quickly letting everyone know that it's KoW week over on Beasts of War, lots of videos and interviews, video battle reports, live webchat with Alessio and they're doing a thing where throwing a comment on a youtube vid or on the site enters you into a prize draw to win 4000 points of KoW minis.

Hopefully there will be some new rumours and stuff coming out of it too.

Molochs are on their way. Hopefully this means we'll see a decent chunk of the Abyssal army launched at the same time. No idea of date yet.



There's also definite a Beserker lord on brock on its way, and very likely to be an Ogre Warlock too given the overwhelmingly positive feedback to the initial sculpt.

I love that art, and another Ogre character would certainly be a good idea with how well received the Ogres have been!

wow, did you see the comments on the Basilean video?
http://www.beastsofwar.com/kings-of-war/kings-war-week-basilean-faction-breakdown/#comments

it's basically the exact opposite of my reaction and the Dakka reaction- everyone seems to love the battle nuns!