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Forgive me for dragging this a bit offtopic but what's so bad about "restic"? I don't personally have experience but I've seen PP's "plastic" which seems to be roughly the same and it doesn't seem that bad.

Dont mind restic on the larger figures. I picked up 6 trolls stupidly cheap with no mold lines at all. A bit of hot water bending but thats a quirk of the material. I'll definitely be looking at some golems, im thinking of a full on golem army for my first kow tourney force.

on the smaller figures it can be a right pain in the arse to remove from detailed areas due to it roughing up if not cut away. Unfortunately you can't just scrape the mold lines off with a blade. Still it depends on the models and where the moldlines are.

Mabe we could do with a Mantic Restic thread to direct people to it does seem to confuse people just what it is and how to deal with it.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Forgive me for dragging this a bit offtopic but what's so bad about "restic"? I don't personally have experience but I've seen PP's "plastic" which seems to be roughly the same and it doesn't seem that bad.

My personal experience with Restic has been that sometimes the results aren't quite as nice as metal, but cost only a smidge less. Also, the restic kits usually lack the variety and pose-ability (usually limited in Mantic's plastic, but still...) and aren't as good a deal as plastic.

I think many folks regard Restic as an unsatisfactory compromise. It enables Mantic to get more units into production faster than hard plastic kits, but at a higher price and with the drawbacks listed above.

Nice to see the Immortal Guard getting some new command pieces, namely the standard and drums. Also looks like a completely new sculpt for the champion, but his hammer is maaahoosive.

Am interested to see the rrp for the Obsidian Golems, they are very big lumps of restic. Overall the Abyssal Dwarf kits are a great release for any fans of the army, really help to fill it out. I would recommend all 3 AD kits, just remember that hot water is your friend when ranking the Gargoyles up.


On the "vanilla" Dwarf side the Brock rider standard and instrument look a little odd, nice to see some good fully painted pictures of the unit though. Also glad that KOW has not been forgotten.

I don't think restic is that bad. I would say that the clean-up time is about the same as metal, slightly faster even. They are definitely easier and faster to assemble than metal. Especially if you use hot water to make fit them together. Scraping the mould lines is not a problem if you use a soft wire brush afterwards.
I prefer them to metal, especially in games like dreadball where you handle the figures a lot.

This is all with the reservation that the biggest amount of restic miniatures I have had to deal with at one time is 21 from the dreadball box set. I would imagine that restic would be overwhelming if you get huge amount of miniatures from a kickstarter or such. Also compared to injection plastic, restic is clearly inferior.


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The abyssals look a great IMO. When it comes to the Brock riders, I do not like the saddles and how they sit on the badgers, looks like they are sitting on a box that is sitting on the badgers.

 edlowe wrote:
...[restic]...on the smaller figures it can be a right pain in the arse to remove from detailed areas due to it roughing up if not cut away. Unfortunately you can't just scrape the mold lines off with a blade. Still it depends on the models and where the moldlines are....

This. After so much slicing, scraping (I know you're supposed to cut but there comes a time...) and using a brass brush there comes a point where I just start priming.
Don't have this level of headache with hard plastic.
Purposely didn't pick up the Basileans because of this material.

Only reason I buy the DB and DZ stuff is because I like the concept/game enough to paint them up, mold lines and all.

 scarletsquig wrote:
By plastic they mean restic, naturally.

They really should stop saying that...

WayneTheGame wrote:

Actually I'm a bit confused, are these NEW releases or things that were around that just haven't been released yet?

Not sure about the AB side of things, but of the dwarf side, only the basic brock riders were in the KS. Their command group, bulwarkers and bombarb will be new.

I'd be surprised if the bombarb and bulwarkers weren't plastic. Almost all the dwarf range is HP on sprues.

Anyway, more units for my growing swarf KoW horde.

Bulwarkers are metal bits, I believe. Saw something on the Mantic forums about someone visiting Mantic and there were pictures.

Honestly the restic/pvc Immortal Guard are nice little sculpts with a large variety of heads. One of my favs from the KS and I think I'll actually buy a regiment of them.

My restic fatigue is getting pretty serious. Mantic would have to do something extraordinary to get me to buy more of that crappy stuff.


Although... Can you imagine cleaning the mold lines off of a restic Mandlebrot Set?

That is quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever seen.

Would these have any suitable proxy in a WFB Dwarf army, ... I suppose not really?

Some more pics, unofficial ones, obviously, but they'll do until the proper ones are shown off tomorrow:

Courtesy of Orcsbain on the Mantic forums:

Cannon and Brock Lord look decent and good, respectively. Withholding judgement on spider-dwarf, and still not a fan of the plastic dorfs.

I asked on their FB page if this was replacing the hybrids, and they said that:

Just specific units, the black souls (though you could use the Immortal Guard to represent them) and the decimators remain hybrids. The Golems, Gargoyles and Immortal Guard are all pure plastic, with metal command components for the Guard.

So it looks like these aren't new things after all, just producing what might have been KS-only kits for general sale? A little less interested in this now since I don't care for this hybrid plastic+metal stuff.

Cannon crew looks really nice, but I'm probably just gonna go for the supplement.

The bulwarkers look like their 10 warriors and 10 ironwatch. Using the warriors for the front and rear ranks and the ironwatch (missile troops) for the middle. Quite a good idea just with the dwarfs were less ram man in style. The metal dwarf characters are really nice.

What unit entry does the "spider dwarf" represent? Nice and different looking though. A shame that the Bulwarkers are metal add ons, I like the pavises/shields but not all that keen on the spears. That said I have a lot of Dwarfs to paint so a unit or two of these will probably find their way into my army.

Awesome! That spider-dwarf thing reminds me of the Dwemer that was hidden in one of the Elder Scrolls games (was it Morrowind?)

And those are some kind of dwarf pikeman?

 Pacific wrote:
Awesome! That spider-dwarf thing reminds me of the Dwemer that was hidden in one of the Elder Scrolls games (was it Morrowind?)

Found him.

That's the one! Although he does look somewhat less hostile than this guy. (As a side note, who killed the last Demiurg when they encountered it? )

Those badger-riders do look very nice. Any news on how much they are likely to cost?

Most likely the usual price for cavalry, £20 for 10.

Ohhh...pre-orders for the new stuff is up and there's some repackaged other units.

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/pre-order/advance-order-kings-of-war.html

£19.99 for 20 decimators is a huge price drop isn't it? It used to be £17.99 for 10 I think (like Twilight Kin).

Was hoping for better pictures of AD weird spider dude and a chance to preorder...

 edlowe wrote:
Dont mind restic on the larger figures. I picked up 6 trolls stupidly cheap with no mold lines at all. A bit of hot water bending but thats a quirk of the material. I'll definitely be looking at some golems, im thinking of a full on golem army for my first kow tourney force.

on the smaller figures it can be a right pain in the arse to remove from detailed areas due to it roughing up if not cut away. Unfortunately you can't just scrape the mold lines off with a blade. Still it depends on the models and where the moldlines are.

Exactly... I've got a ton of the golems from the KS (a friendly Dakkanaut added them on for me ), and restic is fine for those. For smaller more delicate models... not so much.

Liking the artwork!



And, I'll post all the other new pics for the hell of it since who wants to click through all those thumbnails anyway rather than just glance at this thread?







I'm liking the new design direction for the dwarves a lot, much more character and detail on them. The brock riders look nice and belligerent, and the non-helmed abyssals are great, really evil looking and bald.

 RiTides wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Dont mind restic on the larger figures. I picked up 6 trolls stupidly cheap with no mold lines at all. A bit of hot water bending but thats a quirk of the material. I'll definitely be looking at some golems, im thinking of a full on golem army for my first kow tourney force.

on the smaller figures it can be a right pain in the arse to remove from detailed areas due to it roughing up if not cut away. Unfortunately you can't just scrape the mold lines off with a blade. Still it depends on the models and where the moldlines are.

Exactly... I've got a ton of the golems from the KS (a friendly Dakkanaut added them on for me ), and restic is fine for those. For smaller more delicate models... not so much.

I have issues with the number of varieties of poses for them, but as far as working with the material goes, I haven't had any issues with the immortals, and the unit looks rather nice.

Not being able to convert easily is one of the drawbacks of restic, too... this is true of all of Privateer Press' "plastic" models as well, and a large part of why you don't see much re-posing of all their identical sculpts within units.

I just noticed that they've started calling the stuff "premium plastic". Considering that it is sent to the customer warped and torn, "restic gak" still seems more accurate.

 AlexHolker wrote:
I just noticed that they've started calling the stuff "premium plastic". Considering that it is sent to the customer warped and torn, "restic gak" still seems more accurate.

Yeah, they did it with the metal in DBX as well, there are not enough *rolleye* emoticons in the world to comment on it's use......

I was excited for Dwarf releases but metal spears.... thanks but no thanks.

 RiTides wrote:
Not being able to convert easily is one of the drawbacks of restic, too... this is true of all of Privateer Press' "plastic" models as well, and a large part of why you don't see much re-posing of all their identical sculpts within units.

I respectfully disagree: I have a bunch of conversions for Deadzone. Take a look at my enforcer conversions. Yeah, they're small conversions, but I've had no trouble. It's not much different from working with hard plastic, honestly. Really, the only thing that causes me any ">.<" moments are the mold lines.