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**Daedleh**

Azazelx wrote:
Daedleh wrote:
Updated army lists have been released by the committee:
Link to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhZLDFOHUXC2MCA6NwYQWr0HF2mSyvEWIlNH4oCtBeQ/edit#gid=2111976336

Is this a real, official new set of army lists? With all of that stuff that Alessio removed added back in with more besides? Wraiths, Militia, Berserkers, Ballistae!

At a glance, I'm liking almost everything that I see, excepting chariot units being 3/6 instead of 2/4/6 - purely on model practicality grounds.

Well done, RC!

These are real, official. We're aware of the chariot base sizes, however we do have to take into account that people have already multibased chariots. In the end the "retain current sizes" argument won out.

**BobtheInquisitor**

timetowaste85 wrote:
And that dragon looks amaze-balls.

It lloks like the same dragon from the contentious renders, just photographed from an angle that hides his flaws, like I do when wearing a kilt. My balls were not amazed.

**Theophony**

There were plenty of units removed though

just look in forces of nature, they lost most of their beasts and the greater elementals as well. I think it helps as that army just seemed like every other idea that had been tossed around got put in there.

Manticores....put them in twilight kin....oh wait we're not doing them.....forces of nature.
Unicorns....put them in baselian.....no that's too much like GWs brettonia.....forces of nature
Treemen......how about a woodland elf faction?......nope forces of nature
how about a sphinx.....undead....Nope forces of nature

**LordOfSmurfs**

Theophony wrote:
There were plenty of units removed though just look in forces of nature, they lost most of their beasts and the greater elementals as well. I think it helps as that army just seemed like every other idea that had been tossed around got put in there.

Manticores....put them in twilight kin....oh wait we're not doing them.....forces of nature.
Unicorns....put them in baselian.....no that's too much like GWs brettonia.....forces of nature
Treemen......how about a woodland elf faction?......nope forces of nature
how about a sphinx.....undead....Nope forces of nature

They still have Unicorns, Treemen and now 2 more varieties of Greater Elementals

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The Manticores/Chimeras etc were combined into a single entry though, they were all very, very similar stat wise.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I need to find a good stat line for GW's Irondrakes.

Maybe I ought to go check out the Abyssal Dwarf list and see if they've got any similar super heavily armored ranged troopers.

**Azazelx**

Daedleh wrote:

These are real, official. We're aware of the chariot base sizes, however we do have to take into account that people have already multibased chariots. In the end the "retain current sizes" argument won out.

Understood. It's a shame that something more couldn't have been done with them. (2/3/4/6 maybe?) Using the Troop/Regiment/Horde/Avalanche designations perhaps. Still, the rest looks great so far!

**BobtheInquisitor**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I need to find a good stat line for GW's Irondrakes.

Maybe I ought to go check out the Abyssal Dwarf list and see if they've got any similar super heavily armored ranged troopers.

Are you saying you have extra dwarf bits and you didn't bring them to Temecula?

Anyway, I would like to know the same thing. I suppose I could use them as storm rage vets, but that doesn't seem very sporting for Kings of War.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Yeah, I've got a bunch of dwarf stuff I'm slowly trying to unload, including a whole box of Irondrakes I was going to dump on ebay since they look so diminutive- even for dwarfs!

My Ironguard are bigger than they are! That's kind of sad, considering those GW guys are supposed to be decked out in super awesome heavy armor.

They do kind of look like Stormrage vets though, don't they? I'd already been thinking of replacing my Dwarfs with ForgeFathers as it stands...

**Baragash**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I need to find a good stat line for GW's Irondrakes.

Maybe I ought to go check out the Abyssal Dwarf list and see if they've got any similar super heavily armored ranged troopers.

Decimators are probably the closest fit.

**BobtheInquisitor**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Yeah, I've got a bunch of dwarf stuff I'm slowly trying to unload, including a whole box of Irondrakes I was going to dump on ebay since they look so diminutive- even for dwarfs!

My Ironguard are bigger than they are! That's kind of sad, considering those GW guys are supposed to be decked out in super awesome heavy armor.

They do kind of look like Stormrage vets though, don't they? I'd already been thinking of replacing my Dwarfs with ForgeFathers as it stands...

Man, I used my store credit to buy irondrakes. I'll still be happy to trade you them for uh... I don't know... How about this lamp? Or I've got plenty of Mantic dwarfs if you are interested.

I'll probably make a thread in WHFB off topic about their ridiculously diminutive stature. See you there.

Anyway, those forge fathers look fantastic. I will definitely be down for an army's worth if the price is right.

**MaxT**

I filled out my KoW pledge manager about a month back, but just realised I wanted to add a unit or 2 of Orge Berserkers. Anyone know if you can go back in and make any additions to it? Don't want to change my main pledge, just stick on addons.

**Theophony**

Per ronnies video on Friday/Saturday they were reopening both KOW2 and dungeon saga for another week, so you should be able to adjust right now till Friday.

**lord_blackfang**

But do we know if they'll re-open it for wave 2?

I'm not paying sight unseen for the new plastic regiments.

**Daedleh**

Updated army lists released.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhZLDFOHUXC2MCA6NwYQWr0HF2mSyvEWIlNH4oCtBeQ/edit#gid=2111976336

Tweaked all ranged infantry % costs
Army standard bearers in every army have had their melee values increased by one (in most cases 4+ to 5+)
Goblin Flaggits defence increased to 4 (from 3)
Orc Flaggers attacks reduced to 1 (from 2)
Orc Flagger Points decreased to 50 (from 60)
Removed Regeneration and Divine off Elohi, ur-elohi and the living legend elohi, reduced nerve by 1 but they are now unwavering. Normal Elohi now also have inspiring.
Removed Regeneration from Werewolves
Reduced points on Soul Reaver Infantry to 180/260 from 200/285
Orcsbains amulet points increased
Ogres are still smashing skulls everywhere. No change there.
Removed Regeneration from Lycanis
Ranger captain is now inspiring to rangers only (points increased by 10)
War Drum changed to a new and exciting rule!, it's now also fearless but has reduced defence
Dwarf Rifles increased by 5 points at regiment level
Abyssal Berserkers are now unwavering
Naiads Are now Regen 4+ (From 5)
Flamebearers now have Firebolt (18" ranged weapon)
Lots of changes to Abyssals
Magequeen costs rebalanced
Pegasus is now a Hero(Large Cav)

**judgedoug**

Any word on updated PDF?

**Daedleh**

No word, we're waiting on Mantic.

Updated army lists released: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhZLDFOHUXC2MCA6NwYQWr0HF2mSyvEWIlNH4oCtBeQ/edit#gid=549196905

Changelog:

All - Reworked Breath Attack War Engines
All - Pets reduced cost in all lists except Abyssal Dwarfs
All - Adjusted prices for all ranged hordes (slight increase)
All - Lesser mounts (For Wizards and Army Standards etc) have all been upped by 5 points to 15.
All - Balanced points between Dwarf Earth Elementals and Nature Elementals
All - Increased the Necromancer/Basilean War-Wizard Lightning bolt option to (3) (From 2), Points also increased.
Abyssal Dwarfs - Removed Pathfinder from Lesser and Greater Obsidian Golems, decreased points to compensate
Abyssal Dwarfs - Katsuchan Rocket Launcher has been reworked to have multiple attacks but very small blasts.
Abyssal Dwarfs - Grog Mortar has had it's blast decreased by 1.
Abyssals - Abyssal Champs revisited
Abyssals - Elite removed from the Iffrit and points increased
Abyssals - Hellhounds and Mawbeasts and now Height 1.
Basileans - Abbess on Panther chariot has lost Headstrong but gained Vicious.
Basileans - Jullius is now Very Inspiring
Basileans - Twin souls now changed to have global range
Dwarfs - Warsmith rules amended to improve synergy with cannons.
Dwarfs - Dwarf Rangers now hit on a 5+, Their points have been decreased to compensate.
Elves - Elves equipped with bows no longer hit on a 4+, instead they hit on a 5+ and have Piercing (1).
Elves - Elven Silverbreeze cavalry have been rebalanced and points have increased to compensate.
Goblins - Trolls no longer irregular in Goblins
Goblins - Goblin Sharpstick Thrower has been reworked to have 2 shots. (as per the KS concept arts)
KoM - The Captain points reduced
KoM - KoM Mounted Scouts no longer have the options for rifles, but can now choose to pay for an upgrade to carbines which have range 18" and Piercing (1). No more Reload!
Nature - The Druid has been reworked and rebalanced.
Ogres - Ogre Warlocks Breath reduced to 12 (from 15) and Lightning Bolt increased to 3 (from 2)
Orcs - Morax nerve increased
Orcs - Orc Gore Riders reduced
Orcs - Orc wardrum is now -2 to all nerve tests, with pts decrease
Orcs - Wip the halfcast no longer has Crushing Strength
Undead - Zombie horde's attacks fixed
Undead - Zombie trolls now hit on a 4+

**edlowe**

New fon renders on the ks update

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And soul reaver cav

**highlord tamburlaine**

Naiads seem a lot more heavily armored then I expected. I'm alright with that. I like the frog and otter on the sprue. Gotta keep up the Mantic tradition of animal companions on there!

Hopefully the Abyssal and Salamander sprues can squeeze on a mascot.

Of course, I'm really liking those salamanders. So much so that I feel it's appropriate to post this.

**Theophony**

Good thing they made a standard bearer and musician for the Niaids

, between that and the frog AND otter there's going to be a lot of wasted sprue space.

War wizard obviously is a mercenary as everyone else from Basilea has hulk hogan arms.

**judgedoug**

Theophony wrote:
Good thing they made a standard bearer and musician for the Niaids , between that and the frog AND otter there's going to be a lot of wasted sprue space.

War wizard obviously is a mercenary as everyone else from Basilea has hulk hogan arms.

Yeah, they should probably have ignored literally everyone (but you?) asking for a return to the oldstyle Mantic sprues that had tons of extra bits on them. Mantic... almost.

**Theophony**

judgedoug wrote:
Theophony wrote:
Good thing they made a standard bearer and musician for the Niaids , between that and the frog AND otter there's going to be a lot of wasted sprue space.

War wizard obviously is a mercenary as everyone else from Basilea has hulk hogan arms.

Yeah, they should probably have ignored literally everyone (but you?) asking for a return to the oldstyle Mantic sprues that had tons of extra bits on them. Mantic... almost.

Can't read tone there soooooo.....

I'm all for more parts, and the pets are nice, but if you wind up with 20 otters and 20 frogs when buying an army there's probably something better that could have fit in the sprue. I like my not snotlings from my orc hoards, but I have 20+ of the same 3 or 4 models. At least there I can make bases of them.

**Tyr13**

And otters and frogs can show that a unit has wild companions. Dont see the issue.

Though those Naiads are awfully heavily armoured for a def 3+ unit... <.<

**Barzam**

I'm sure someone won't like it, but I like the added touch of the dude snared in the net.

**edlowe**

I'm really hoping that they have a second pm for kow as I'd love to addon a fon mega army.

**NTRabbit**

I hope so too, all I can add right now is the $50 pledge, money is too tight

Theophony wrote:
I'm all for more parts, and the pets are nice, but if you wind up with 20 otters and 20 frogs when buying an army there's probably something better that could have fit in the sprue. I like my not snotlings from my orc hoards, but I have 20+ of the same 3 or 4 models. At least there I can make bases of them.

I think you're missing out on a big opportunity to make two regiments of Frog and Otter counts-as Sylvan kin

**BobtheInquisitor**

Barzam wrote:
I'm sure someone won't like it, but I like the added touch of the dude snared in the net.

Adds a sinister air to the army. Humanoids from the Deep, but gender-flipped?

I love the heavily armored Naiads. The Salamanders also look good. What's Mantic playing at?

**ChaoticMind**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Barzam wrote:
I'm sure someone won't like it, but I like the added touch of the dude snared in the net.

Adds a sinister air to the army. Humanoids from the Deep, but gender-flipped?

I love the heavily armored Naiads. The Salamanders also look good. What's Mantic playing at?

Man stealing supernaturals? I can dig it. As for what Mantic is playing at: being evil. They are improving and getting more of my money.

I'll hold off final judgement until I get them but currently the salamanders are whispering "Buy more. Buy more."
However I think the Niads in the starter army will be enough for me. They look a tad chunkier than I'd like and I'm not sold on the harpoons or nets.

**AlexHolker**

I'm not a fan of what I can see of the naiads. When I first suggested Atlanteans as a faction more than four years ago it was as a lightly armoured race, as is fitting for a race that will naturally spend a lot more of its time swimming or walking on sand or mud than your average knight, and also one whose development of the tools to produce this kind of armour would be hamstrung by their natural habitat. And while these renders are far too small to make out such detail (why, Mantic?) I did not like the concept art for the faces.

**Gallahad**

I'm glad that everybody seems to be liking the Naiads and Salamanders. I also think it is great to see Mantic branching out like this and making some pretty original stuff in plastic. I think the otter and frog are awesome. Hopefully I can score some off bits sellers.

I just don't really like either the Naiads or the Salamanders. The Salamanders look too cartoony for my tastes (nothing wrong with that, it's just not my thing) and I really don't like their heads. They just don't look very lizardy to me.

The Naiads...I don't know. I'm just not interested in water people. I can't stand their weird sideways crossbows. No way those work. It just seems like a dumb "different for the sake of different" design choice. Other than that, the designs look good, I'm just not interested in them as a race or design choice I guess.

**BobtheInquisitor**

It looks like Mantic will have bipedal otters in plastic before On the Lamb Games....