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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wild speculation! So, with two slots still unknown...what's actually still missing from the WHFB lineup? GW Daemons? Abyssals don't cover everything, especially Nurgle, very well. But Daemons are the most IP-specific GW faction, so I'm not sure you can port them over properly without being more blatantly obvious than Mantic cares to be. In any case, that still leaves another slot free, unless they do two Daemon lists.

Actually, GW demons are incredibly easy to "convert". Women with whips, red demons with swords, demons with partially molten bodies / holes in their bodies, big demon with wings and swords...etc.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wild speculation! So, with two slots still unknown...what's actually still missing from the WHFB lineup? GW Daemons? Abyssals don't cover everything, especially Nurgle, very well. But Daemons are the most IP-specific GW faction, so I'm not sure you can port them over properly without being more blatantly obvious than Mantic cares to be. In any case, that still leaves another slot free, unless they do two Daemon lists.

Actually, GW demons are incredibly easy to "convert". Women with whips, red demons with swords, demons with partially molten bodies / holes in their bodies, big demon with wings and swords...etc.

What about Blight Drones, Screamers, Juggers, Soul Grinders, Seeker Chariots, etc? They're pretty specific, and the fact that they don't appear in the Abyssal list makes me think Mantic's vision of their world doesn't include such daemons. Making a second daemonic list with them in it would be a rather strange implication that Mantica has two different Hells.


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 Fenriswulf wrote:
I like Ratmen as an idea for miniatures, but god GW's move from relatively cool looking little dudes to some kind of quasi rat-monkey hybrid (especially in the way their faces look) turned me off.

Are you thinking of the early 2000s Skaven? The new stuff looks like this http://skaystore.ru/images/detailed/66/m620033a_99120206008_SkavenStormverminMain1_873x627.jpg?t=1436486759

 Baragash wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Does anyone have the full list of factions being worked on for this purpose? Several friends have asked but I missed ratmen, so think I might be giving an incomplete picture of what's coming.

Ratkin
League of Rhordia (Empire/Halflings)
The Brotherhood (Brettonian-themed)
Shattered Clans (evil god worshipping barbarians)
The Herd (Beastmen/Narnia)
Empire of Dust (desert-themed Undead)
Reptilians
TOP SECRET
TOP SECRET

Thanks for that, Baragash!

I know I'm not the only one wishing for an oriental human list. Wether it winds up Chinese terracotta warrior army or Japanese samurai army I'd be down for both. Also could be fun to see a return of the Pygmy from days of yore. Also they could do a savannah themed lion army similar to what Alkemy put out.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


What about Blight Drones, Screamers, Juggers, Soul Grinders, Seeker Chariots, etc? They're pretty specific, and the fact that they don't appear in the Abyssal list makes me think Mantic's vision of their world doesn't include such daemons. Making a second daemonic list with them in it would be a rather strange implication that Mantica has two different Hells.

Giant fly demons, demons with hole instead of head, demon on Chariot...etc.

If they were based on GW IP they wouldn't be "top secret"

 Theophony wrote:
I know I'm not the only one wishing for an oriental human list. Wether it winds up Chinese terracotta warrior army or Japanese samurai army I'd be down for both. Also could be fun to see a return of the Pygmy from days of yore. Also they could do a savannah themed lion army similar to what Alkemy put out.

You can already do that with the Kingdoms of Men list though; samurai as foot guard with two handed weapons, ashigaru with swords as militia mob, naginatas as pikes/heavy pikes, yaris as spear phalanx, bows as bowmen, crossbows as crossbowmen, and matchlock muskets as arquebusiers.

Then mounted samurai as knights, mounted ashigaru with bows as scouts, swords as sergeants.

Ronin go nicely as berserkers.

Feudal Japan wasn't really big on shield walls, chariots, siege weapons or monsters, so you'd have to be creative about that, but otherwise the bones are very much already in place, that's what the Kingdoms of Men list is designed to do.

And EoD Husks make very passable terracotta warriors!

 Theophony wrote:
I know I'm not the only one wishing for an oriental human list. Wether it winds up Chinese terracotta warrior army or Japanese samurai army I'd be down for both. Also could be fun to see a return of the Pygmy from days of yore. Also they could do a savannah themed lion army similar to what Alkemy put out.

I wrote up a not-chaos (using the four directional deities) army as an Asian human faction idea a few years ago and sent it off to Ronnie.

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I know I'm not the only one wishing for an oriental human list. Wether it winds up Chinese terracotta warrior army or Japanese samurai army I'd be down for both. Also could be fun to see a return of the Pygmy from days of yore. Also they could do a savannah themed lion army similar to what Alkemy put out.

You can already do that with the Kingdoms of Men list though; samurai as foot guard with two handed weapons, ashigaru with swords as militia mob, naginatas as pikes/heavy pikes, yaris as spear phalanx, bows as bowmen, crossbows as crossbowmen, and matchlock muskets as arquebusiers.

Then mounted samurai as knights, mounted ashigaru with bows as scouts, swords as sergeants.

Ronin go nicely as berserkers.

Feudal Japan wasn't really big on shield walls, chariots, siege weapons or monsters, so you'd have to be creative about that, but otherwise the bones are very much already in place, that's what the Kingdoms of Men list is designed to do.

This is true. A lot of KoM armies I see on the net are Japanese-inspired, in fact. I think second to Perry WotR miniatures, the next most common miniatures to use for KoM are samurai miniatures.

 heartserenade wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I know I'm not the only one wishing for an oriental human list. Wether it winds up Chinese terracotta warrior army or Japanese samurai army I'd be down for both. Also could be fun to see a return of the Pygmy from days of yore. Also they could do a savannah themed lion army similar to what Alkemy put out.

You can already do that with the Kingdoms of Men list though; samurai as foot guard with two handed weapons, ashigaru with swords as militia mob, naginatas as pikes/heavy pikes, yaris as spear phalanx, bows as bowmen, crossbows as crossbowmen, and matchlock muskets as arquebusiers.

Then mounted samurai as knights, mounted ashigaru with bows as scouts, swords as sergeants.

Ronin go nicely as berserkers.

Feudal Japan wasn't really big on shield walls, chariots, siege weapons or monsters, so you'd have to be creative about that, but otherwise the bones are very much already in place, that's what the Kingdoms of Men list is designed to do.

This is true. A lot of KoM armies I see on the net are Japanese-inspired, in fact. I think second to Perry WotR miniatures, the next most common miniatures to use for KoM are samurai miniatures.

Add in ogre allies and you got Oni on their side

Heh, I've been working on a Japanese styled Terracotta army using the basic Undead list. I'm not really sure what a specifically Chinese/Japanese army would really add that you cannot already do.

Hopefully the "Top Secret" armies are something relatively new.

I was really just looking at old GW armies that never really took off, so Nippon and Pygmy just seamed obscure enough. They could do fantasy Zoats. They have centaurs in Forces of Nature so I guess those are covered. Araby and Norse are somewhat covered already too. Can't remember the swamp guys from fantasy that had one eye and the club like tail.

 Theophony wrote:
Can't remember the swamp guys from fantasy that had one eye and the club like tail.

GW called them FImir, but they're just fomorians from celtic mythology, so as long as Fimir isn't used anything goes.

Someone on the FB pages has made a fomorian army using the Ogre list, which makes perfect sense.

Guess what FW makes

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/FIMIR_WARRIORS.html

I still have a set of the old Heroquest ones in my D&D box, too.

I love the legends about the Fomorians, but I gotta admit I've never understood why GW's had mace tails and so on.

I'd be really happy if Mantic made a race of semi-aquatic celt-themed monsters though.

 Da Boss wrote:
I love the legends about the Fomorians, but I gotta admit I've never understood why GW's had mace tails and so on.

I'd be really happy if Mantic made a race of semi-aquatic celt-themed monsters though.

This is an interesting relevant read.

Was there supposed to be a link there?

 Da Boss wrote:
I love the legends about the Fomorians, but I gotta admit I've never understood why GW's had mace tails and so on.

I'd be really happy if Mantic made a race of semi-aquatic celt-themed monsters though.

Like in Celtos?
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/Celtos/

Yeah I was thinking of the Celtos ones, but I am not a huge fan of the aesthetic they have going on (I was a bit sad that they made the Fomorians just the "orc and goblin" faction with a few bits slapped on).

I'd prefer something along the lines of the GW River Trolls but less cartoony, I guess.

Yeah I plan to do a Samurai KOW list too.

The majority of a list is fine for a standard KOM list. Shame they got rid of penitent mobs as they were going to be my Sohei Monks.

The fluff in the rule book leaves open a lot of space for eastern empires and other nonEuropean armies. I know from a game play perspective it probably wouldn't add anything new, but I would love it if they actually wrote some fluff for a far off kingdom named Kitai, for example.

And I'm not just saying that because I'm disappointed with GW for blowing up the Old World before we even got to see half of it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The fluff in the rule book leaves open a lot of space for eastern empires and other nonEuropean armies. I know from a game play perspective it probably wouldn't add anything new, but I would love it if they actually wrote some fluff for a far off kingdom named Kitai, for example.

And I'm not just saying that because I'm disappointed with GW for blowing up the Old World before we even got to see half of it.

A lot of it was explored in WFRP1, 2, and 3. Most of the best fluff is hidden away in random sourcebooks.

If you're after some not-fimir blood moon miniatures does bog raiders' http://www.bloodmoonminis.com/CatalogTrial/index.php/cPath/22/osCsid/1ff1370f6a2eaf65da229a74d208a378

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The fluff in the rule book leaves open a lot of space for eastern empires and other nonEuropean armies. I know from a game play perspective it probably wouldn't add anything new, but I would love it if they actually wrote some fluff for a far off kingdom named Kitai, for example.

And I'm not just saying that because I'm disappointed with GW for blowing up the Old World before we even got to see half of it.

A lot of it was explored in WFRP1, 2, and 3. Most of the best fluff is hidden away in random sourcebooks.

Do they have fluff on Cathay, Ind and Nippon? How about the warp gate at the South Pole? I would love to read about the WH world take on those places.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Do they have fluff on Cathay, Ind and Nippon? How about the warp gate at the South Pole? I would love to read about the WH world take on those places.

Sort of! http://carnel.sdf-eu.org/tetsubo/

Norsca is in Tome of Corruption for WFRP2

The Book of Careers has careers from Nippon and Cathay, IIRC


Sartosa - French only tho http://www.legrimoire.net/store/fr/warhammer/116-sartosa-la-cite-des-pirates-2951420803.html

I've got a lot of the old FFG WHFRP supplements, but never seen anything about Cathay et al.. I never bought the careers book because I don't actually play the game, and it sounded like that book was more purely crunch than most of the others. The supplements on Brettonia, Kislev, and the Skaven all seem ridiculously expensive these days, so I don't have those, either.

I think the Dreadfleet novella gave me all the Sartosa I'll ever need.

I know Mantic's Mantica is still pretty new, but I would love to see similar expansion on the lore, especially if it isn't just expanded into more European history expys.

The one part of the lore I'm just not warming up to is Mhorgoth. They obviously are sticking with him as the big necromancy R bad guy, but I just find him bland.


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Edit: they should totally create a demon named Otto Krecht with the power to alter the text any scroll or book that mentions him.

 Da Boss wrote:
Was there supposed to be a link there?

Absolutely pal

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2014/04/07/bizarre-bestiary-fimir/

Brilliant, thanks, that was a very interesting read!

Any indication this will be shipping soon? Last week of July is upon us, but knowing Mantic they really mean "July 31st"...