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I've got to say with big centre pieces that cost a lot, I'm looking for a higher level of quality than with rank and file troops.

So I'm unlikely to purchase any of these unless they improve the quality.

TBH greater daemons, dragons and witch elves have so much competition out their for 28mm minis its wise to just make something that fits your aesthetic. I can't say I think its great but it can be easily solved using the buy something else method.

So, if the preorder listings I'm reading are right, the new Undead vs Dwarfs starter set includes a copy of the new Gamer's Edition rulebook. Seems like probably the best way to get the rulebook if you care about those armies.

I just noticed the picture of the dwarf sharpshooters has appeared on the pre-order page.

The big abyssal does look better from the side.

Tho I do hope its a wip as the Chainmail pants do look pretty poor. Plus the talons on the top of the wing look a bit blunt.

I forgot to order one during the pm and i'm not too bother about picking one up now which is a shame as the rest of the range look pretty cool imho.

Those Dwarves are pretty cool! Would not mind picking them up along with some Brock Riders in the future.

I've got a box of Brock Riders, and the're really not as great in real life as I thought they would be. Maybe I'm still hung up on the cliche of dwarfs as craftsmen, but the random, useless bits of nailed-on armor don't do them any favors, and the berserker riders are a very marmite design that I happen to dislike. Also, the details are softer than on earlier restics, and the pieces fit together only with a lot of effort or quite a bit of apathy towards the final outcome. I went with the latter.

I think the trick (not used it myself exactly like this) to assembling 2-part mounts like restic horses or badgers, is hot water to soften them up and then push them together. Should work, as hot water works normally when reshaping restic.

It's about the only thing going for it as a material.

Mantic seemed to have stopped using it now.

 bubber wrote:
The balrog I got has metal wings - each comes in 2 parts. These were soon switched to plastic wings before the full plastic one came out.

Let me know if you wanna sell it! I'm trying to make a Balrog family and I don't have the metal-wings version

Have the starter Forces of the Abyss list been released yet?

No, the Abyss and Nature army stuff is in one stage or another of design and production, won't be out to backers and then retailers for another couple months yet.

 NTRabbit wrote:
No, the Abyss and Nature army stuff is in one stage or another of design and production, won't be out to backers and then retailers for another couple months yet.

Ok thanks. Do we know what sort of units will be in there? Will it look anything like the previous edition force compensation wise?

overtyrant wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
No, the Abyss and Nature army stuff is in one stage or another of design and production, won't be out to backers and then retailers for another couple months yet.

Ok thanks. Do we know what sort of units will be in there? Will it look anything like the previous edition force compensation wise?

While the minis are months away, the army lists for them are already out - the free partial list pdfs are on the Mantic site, or you can load up the full lists with EasyArmy or the newly updated Battlescribe repo

 NTRabbit wrote:

overtyrant wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
No, the Abyss and Nature army stuff is in one stage or another of design and production, won't be out to backers and then retailers for another couple months yet.

Ok thanks. Do we know what sort of units will be in there? Will it look anything like the previous edition force compensation wise?

While the minis are months away, the army lists for them are already out - the free partial list pdfs are on the Mantic site, or you can load up the full lists with EasyArmy or the newly updated Battlescribe repo

Thanks, just checked it out. Seems there is quite a few new units.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I've got a box of Brock Riders, and the're really not as great in real life as I thought they would be. Maybe I'm still hung up on the cliche of dwarfs as craftsmen, but the random, useless bits of nailed-on armor don't do them any favors, and the berserker riders are a very marmite design that I happen to dislike. Also, the details are softer than on earlier restics, and the pieces fit together only with a lot of effort or quite a bit of apathy towards the final outcome. I went with the latter.

Sorry to hear that about the Brock riders as I was keen to pick some up. They are probably the only dwarf unit from the Kow list I really need as I have a large Gw dwarf army. I guess 3 Scibor dwarfs on bears could be used on a similar size base to 10 Brock riders?

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I've got a box of Brock Riders, and the're really not as great in real life as I thought they would be. Maybe I'm still hung up on the cliche of dwarfs as craftsmen, but the random, useless bits of nailed-on armor don't do them any favors, and the berserker riders are a very marmite design that I happen to dislike. Also, the details are softer than on earlier restics, and the pieces fit together only with a lot of effort or quite a bit of apathy towards the final outcome. I went with the latter.

Sorry to hear that about the Brock riders as I was keen to pick some up. They are probably the only dwarf unit from the Kow list I really need as I have a large Gw dwarf army. I guess 3 Scibor dwarfs on bears could be used on a similar size base to 10 Brock riders?

As long as the bases add up or your movement tray is the same stated size for the unit type and size as stated in the book your good to go.

I thought my kickstarter Brock Riders went together fairly well.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I thought my kickstarter Brock Riders went together fairly well.

Mine went together with no problems as well.

But I also ordered early, maybe the molds have suffered?

The Auld Grump

Just got an email saying my DBX/KoW pledge will ship by the end of the week

Exciting!

Some great looking ogre braves and warlock, really hope they go plastic with the main warriors in this style.





in metal not restic or resin, and out soonish I believe to none backers.

Love the braves, makes me wished the rest of the ogres were in this style. Something odd about the brave, maybe the skinny legs or arms, not sure.

If they can get whoever sculpted the braves and warlock to do the entire ogre range I'd be very happy. We definitely need a proper ogre chariot kit and the warriors redoing in this style imho.

Those braves are great. Keen on trying those out.

Huh, those ogres do look a bit more proportioned in terms of legs and arms and stuff, huh?

I got that email too, so I should have my stuff for both DBX and KoW within 18 or so days. I don't have much of either coming, the Naiads and other models are a separate and later wave, correct?

Should be nice to flip through the book though.

Yup, Nature, Abyssals and Dragon are later.

Hm, Braves look more like GW ogres than they do previous Mantic efforts. Interesting.

 Mymearan wrote:
Hm, Braves look more like GW ogres than they do previous Mantic efforts. Interesting.

Really? GW ogres are fat and chunky. These look kind of slender and muscular. GW ones kind of look like pirates ish too. These look like nomads.

I don't know, they seem pretty different to me. Except the weapons look kinda GW ish being the square cleaver look.

I liked the Mantic Ogres. Looked more bestial and wild.

These guys definitely look better proportioned though. The original ones had those French knees.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Hm, Braves look more like GW ogres than they do previous Mantic efforts. Interesting.

Really? GW ogres are fat and chunky. These look kind of slender and muscular. GW ones kind of look like pirates ish too. These look like nomads.

I don't know, they seem pretty different to me. Except the weapons look kinda GW ish being the square cleaver look.

They have similar proportions but without the pot bellies, and also a bit of that Mongolian influence. Previous Mantic Ogres have the worst case of Tiny Legs syndrome in their range, these look way better. In fact I would actually buy them! But yeah more like somewhere in between.

 Mymearan wrote:
and also a bit of that Mongolian influence.

Where? I'm seeing anything mongolian or even overtly asian in their look.