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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, we're getting shortchanged on the Forge Fathers sprues too, aren't we? It's just one of those things Mantic does.

Honestly, I think GW is one of the only manufacturer's to build truly dual purpose sprues. The convention pretty much anywhere else is to have some overlap. Look at Perry Historicals, or Warlord's WW2 range, or any other third party manufacturer: most kits produce one thing, and if they produce two, you usually have to split the box.

Conversely, it wasn't that long ago that GW released a 5 man Loota/burna Box that could only produce four actual Lootas, because one model was designated the Mek boy.

It's really easy to take GW's ability to pack a sprue for granted.

The bodies are in separate bags, pre cut of the sprue. In every bag of 5 bodies is one human body in a net, for use with the trident / net combo weapon guys.

If your buying two boxes and having one unit with harpoons, and the other with melee weapons the set up is fine, but you can't really buy one box have an all melee unit.

I really like the look of the art work for the rider on sea serpent in the uncharted realms book. I hope we get a model alone those lines to go with the naiads.

It's also worth keeping in mind that you end up paying for all those bits you don't use anyway. - It's kinda a false economy.

The melee Naiads are supposed to be carrying nets, hence the Ensnare special rule. The shooters do not have Ensnare because they don't carry nets.

Are there pics of the assembled Naiads anywhere? Sorry if this is obvious, but I must have missed them!

Dug this off of some website, i believe its a photo of the page in the book.

I don't like the color of the armor but the models look ok.

Thanks for that, GrimDork! Not really to my liking but as you say I think the paintjob would make a big difference.

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Just noticed this, are those harpoon crossbow things mounted backwards? Or well I mean the bow part is vertical instead of horizontal in the photo, is that normal for harpoon crossbow..things?

To be fair, I don't think there is a "normal" for a harpoon crossbow

Those are full on gangsta crossbow harpoon guns, designed to look like they're being held sideways without the dager of the harpoon falling out of the slot

(personally I'm trimming off the arms and just going harpoon gun style)

 judgedoug wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Good old Mantic. The forums still down, still can't register a shipping address in my country.

Methinks you should not blame Mantic for your ISP not doing it's job in refreshing their DNS resolver cache.

No, no, it's those incompetent fools at Mozilla making it impossible to access Mantic's flawless software. It works fine on the tablet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Good old Mantic. The forums still down, still can't register a shipping address in my country.

Methinks you should not blame Mantic for your ISP not doing it's job in refreshing their DNS resolver cache.

No, no, it's those incompetent fools at Mozilla making it impossible to access Mantic's flawless software. It works fine on the tablet.

The fault was with VBulletin.

Mantic choosing VBulletin ahead of better competition is another thing entirely, but all of the forum issues have been caused by VBulletin, and then, as above, DNS issues caused downstream by the changes made by VBulletin.

Look up how to clear your HSTS setting for the mantic.com domain in any browser that doesn't work. You'll probably find that your browser has been told to use https which was the previous configuration but the forums are now http only. If your HSTS setting is still active for the domain, your browser will be switching to https and that will cause the problem.

which is why using Google DNS pretty much resolves the issue, as they do full DNS refreshes every few minutes (versus gakky ISP's doing it once per day or once per week)

Sure seems like an awful lot of hoops to jump through that other companies don't make me do, plus your DNS spiel is garbage since I already said it works on my other device.

I've gone through it all and finally persuaded the forums to load up on chrome, but IE and firefox still insist there's nothing there (and they're not looking for the Https site)

so certainly not ideal, but hoefully given another couple of weeks it will kick back in across the boad

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sure seems like an awful lot of hoops to jump through that other companies don't make me do, plus your DNS spiel is garbage since I already said it works on my other device.

An entirely new device with a different operating system and a different browser and quite possibly different DNS resolvers.

The internet is Mantic's fault.

Wait, no...

Internet. Almost.

Clearly a single website not working is the fault of anyone and everyone else except the people running that website, as long as you believe they can do no wrong. I'm out.

the forums work fine in my various attempts, but I will say that shutting them down for nearly a week and then being buggy doesn't do much to shake the perception that Mantic is amateur hour.

 judgedoug wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sure seems like an awful lot of hoops to jump through that other companies don't make me do, plus your DNS spiel is garbage since I already said it works on my other device.

An entirely new device with a different operating system and a different browser and quite possibly different DNS resolvers.

The internet is Mantic's fault.

Wait, no...

Internet. Almost.

You joke, but you are right. If every other site works fine, but Mantic requires additional steps to access, that is Mantic's problem and not the potential customers'. When you defend them, do you honestly believe this situation is just fine and that Mantic should not bother to improve their website's accessibility?

Anyway. Is the campaign book supposed to be going out in Wave 2 with the Naiads and Abyssals? Anyone got it in hand yet?

The forums work fine on my phone. I haven't had a chance to try at home. It seems a little early, though, to speak in absolutes.

Let's tone down the language in this thread, please - we should be able to discuss things like how to access the Mantic forum without it turning to insults / insinuations either way.

Remember it's still the holidays

Thanks all

 Azazelx wrote:


Anyway. Is the campaign book supposed to be going out in Wave 2 with the Naiads and Abyssals? Anyone got it in hand yet?

Yes, have it in hand, in the same box as my Naiads and Abyssals.

Still waiting for my normal hardback rulebook and counters though...

Oh, are the Abyssals going out? I should be expecting a box box then.

Yep, here's the relevant update:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war-fantasy-battle-game-2nd-edition/posts/1446749
and...

Please wait until Monday 25th January 2016 for your package to arrive before emailing in asking where your order is, or submitting a missing items form.

So we should be having them by the 25th of January, supposedly.

Thanks for that.

Hmph. Looks like the campaign book only went out to folks who pledged LL through the KS, not the PM.

And can anyone point me to a shop that carries Uncharted Empires and won't fleece me on EU shipping? I've been pestering Mantic to add my country to their online store but it's exactly the sort of thing they suck at.

(I want the physical version)

Biggest problem for me is nobody wants to carry KoW, and as a result there's no interest with it despite it looking cool and appealing to the fantasy crowd. So that alone tends to kill it here (as happens with basically any game other than 40k and Warmachine, anyways) :(

Have you tried being the 'KoW Guy" in your area?

A Mantic Evangelist?