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Prodos produces them though. They probably have minimum orders.

There has to be others who'd take on a smaller order.

 Zywus wrote:
There has to be others who'd take on a smaller order.

Or it could come down to the smarts of Mantic. "Hey guys we have enough of the Blaine's on Dino now to cover those few missing orders and have some for the points system so we're going to destroy the molds to save 1 Cubic foot of space in our warehouse. Any body think that's a bad idea? No, then let's get some gas and a lighter and burn Blaine like a Walking Dead victim". Then the next morning they find out about the 200 or so missing pledges .

It's not impossible that they've been unfortunate enough to loose the master (or masters) in transit between caster and Mantic's Shed

but in that case i'd exect them to go back to the sculptor and get him to either clean up a production cast to use as a new master (not such a huge deal with a quality resin cast), or even sculpt the whole thing again

costs more cash, but not impossible

Do mantic still cast stuff inhouse? I remember they used to cast metal stuff in house but I haven´t heard anything about resin being cast in Nottingham.

Wow, if the Dino-blaines don't get sent to people that is really bad. Like piss poor.

Mantic need a KS break to get their gak in order. I'm a fan of some of their products, but their production stinks.

Zywus wrote:There has to be others who'd take on a smaller order.

Mymearan wrote:Prodos produces them though. They probably have minimum orders.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:It's not impossible that they've been unfortunate enough to loose the master (or masters) in transit between caster and Mantic's Shed

but in that case i'd exect them to go back to the sculptor and get him to either clean up a production cast to use as a new master (not such a huge deal with a quality resin cast), or even sculpt the whole thing again

costs more cash, but not impossible

The only way it would be impossible to make more would be if they had a contract with Prodos for production that either prohibited allowing other companies to produce them, or set a cap on the total number produced. If that's the case, it's really, really dumb.

Practically, you can take a cleaned up resin model and dupe it pretty easily. You will lose a small amount of detail, but you can get the model duplicated.

Obviously we've only had third hand reports and speculation that the blaines wont' be fulfilled, so I won't want to get the pitchforks and torches... yet. If true though, that's a big deal. Not delivering a Kickstarter exclusive resin model, even to only a few backers, really limits their credibilty with exclusives and third party materials going forward.

I thought Prodos only made a portion of the Blaines, and they had someone else making the rest?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I thought Prodos only made a portion of the Blaines, and they had someone else making the rest?

Someone else was making the initial batch, but there were shortages and quality issues, so they got Prodos to make more, but production was slow and purposeless. I got my Blaine on Dino, but nothing else from my order, until i for weeks and then they sent me the rest of my order and 2 ronnies , i hope that's not what they ran out of .

 Theophony wrote:
and then they sent me the rest of my order and 2 ronnies

I would facepalm too if Mantic screwed up so hard that they accidently sent me a video of a classic comedy duo instead of my plastic mans.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
and then they sent me the rest of my order and 2 ronnies

I would facepalm too if Mantic screwed up so hard that they accidently sent me a video of a classic comedy duo instead of my plastic mans.

With some peoples experience with mantic it would suit a slightly modified version of the old sign off too "Its a big FU from me, and a big FU from him, goodnight"

Wow, I've just noticed their price raise, at least in the KoW range. 25-30% in some of the boxes. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot here, most of their minis are not worth anything more than what they already were charging for them.

 Korinov wrote:
Wow, I've just noticed their price raise, at least in the KoW range. 25-30% in some of the boxes. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot here, most of their minis are not worth anything more than what they already were charging for them.

Your not looking at the Austraillian site are you......Wait wrong thread

Figuring it will still seem cheap to the 8th edition refugees?

 Theophony wrote:
Your not looking at the Austraillian site are you......Wait wrong thread

I was looking at their official website and for a moment I thought I had accidentally set the prices on dollars instead of euros, but no.

Seriously, 40€ for their eight models cavalry kits... they were well priced before at 30€, Mantic's strongest asset has always been their affordable prices, they're stepping into very dangerous ground right now.

Huh, a price rise eh.

Well, that's a bit disappointing. Making up for KS revenue loss?

 Da Boss wrote:
Huh, a price rise eh.

Well, that's a bit disappointing. Making up for KS revenue loss?

Or making up for the License fee the KS isn't covering......or you know since it's Valentines day they could be showing us how much they love us.

I don't really look at the prices in the Mantic store very often, but... they don't seem any different from the last time I looked?

Not in GBP at least, I never use the Euro button

I could also be that they finally are adjusting for the difference between the Pound Sterling and the Euro, of course the adjustment between Sterling and Dollar is still well out of whack.

 Korinov wrote:
Wow, I've just noticed their price raise, at least in the KoW range. 25-30% in some of the boxes. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot here, most of their minis are not worth anything more than what they already were charging for them.

Yep, definitely a chunky price rise has just happened across the entire range. It's not a euro/dollar thing either, the GBP prices also went up.

Regiments used to be £15, now they're £18.

Hordes used to be £25, now £30.

Cavalry used to be £20, now £25.

Individual war machines used to be £8, ow £10.

Units of 3 large infantry are now £18 rather than £15.

All characters now seem to be £7, a moderate increase from the £6.49 they were before anyway.

Overall, around a 20-25% blanket price increase across the entire range.

Well that makes even the old GW style annual rises seem tame......

ouch

The price hike is even greater in euros, which makes no sense considering right now the exchange rate is 1 pound = 1.3 euros (against the previous 1p = 1.4e). Cavalry boxes were previously around 30 euros I think, now they're 40€. That's a 33.3% price increase. Mantic has gone nuts.

Maybe they finally got round to doing their accounts properly and found with all the price rises in shipping etc a bunch of the kits were selling at break even/a loss

Dreamforged recently had to increase prices for just that reason after they stopped being distributed by WGF

and it wouldn't surprise me if Mantic, carried along by Ronnies enthusiasm and kickstarter hadn't been keeping a proper eye on the costs of the normal operation.. dragging all staff including the boss into packing KS pledges, running KS campaigns etc every few months probably means other things to slip by unnoticed

Even taking such things into account, even with the usual inflation issue, some things are simply insane. They sell cavalries for 25 pounds and hordes for 30, then you switch to euros and it's 40 for both

At the current exchange rate, 32.5€ for cavalries and 39€ would be the exact equivalents.

€40 for those cavalry units is a very bad idea, those models really aren't worth *that* much.

OTOH let's not forget Mantic's tendency to sell things in bundles which are hugely discounted: the undead elite army as still up on Mantic's webshop has Ilona, 3 werewolves, a balefire catapult, twenty(!) revenant cavalry and 5 soul reaver cavalry at GBP50/EUR70. That's a 60% discount. You could get it just to get 20 revenant cavalry at a €10 discount and have the other models entirely free.

More interestingly though, Wayland has that elite army up (at a further 20% discount of course) with Ilona replaced with a unit of three wights. Just a sketch in the picture, but they also have a wight unit up for preorder at GBP16 (after 20% discount; GBP20 RRP) and explicitly list "Ghostly Flames, Vicious Weapons, 40mm Bases". That unit has this concept art attached:


There's also an undead Lykanis (which is a werewolf character in the undead list) up for preorder, RRP10, no pics yet.

Have we seen these anywhere before?

Nick W posted about having seen the new Wights yesterday on one of the facebook groups, they are a new sculpt better suited to the bigger 40mm bases than the old ones made for 20s.

Ewwwww....Makes me feel better about just keeping going with GW models for quite a few things. Quality has to be high enough for the additional cost. Outside of a few kits they just don't have that quality yet.

Interesting that the price rises were not communicated beforehand via the blog/newsletter. IIRC with previous price rises they were communicated in advance with "you have x weeks to buy at the old price". Whilst Mantics communication with individuals can be hit and miss their communication en mass is usually very good. Still for anyone interested in the kits at the old prices I am sure plenty of FLGS and online retailers will have the older cheaper stock for a while yet.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Nick W posted about having seen the new Wights yesterday on one of the facebook groups, they are a new sculpt better suited to the bigger 40mm bases than the old ones made for 20s.

Ah, okay. Any actual model pics seen yet?

BTW there's also these preorders on WG I can't find on mantic's own site yet:
Elf Silverbreeze Cavalry 5 models RRP GBP15



Abyssal Dwarf Slavedriver 1 model RRP GBP7



Dwarf Steel Behemoth 1 model 50x100 base RRP GBP25



And additionally, there's a Troll Bruiser up for preorder in the Orcs section, RRP GBP10, without concept art (always promising with Mantic...)

 Bolognesus wrote:

Ah, okay. Any actual model pics seen yet?

Nothing public yet I believe.