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Looks like Wayland's jumped the gun.

Those things are presumably next in line but it's pretty early for pre-ordering.

Yeah, they were shown on the blog a couple months ago, no mention of when theyd be ready...

What is it with Mantic and face-tanks?

 Zywus wrote:
Looks like Wayland's jumped the gun.

Those things are presumably next in line but it's pretty early for pre-ordering.

Well, presumably if they have firm pricing information that means Mantic have pushed out some sort of price list with these on it to their distributors or large customers. Can't imagine a retailer just taking a guess at those (even if the 40mm unit of three, the 5xCav and the characters are predictably priced, the dwarf steamroller would have been a bit of a guess) and allowing folks to order at those prices.

But yes, it's Wayland Games, so even if it wasn't a preorder you might well be waiting 3+ months for your order; might as well put these up as well

 Nostromodamus wrote:
What is it with Mantic and face-tanks?

They have style. They have grace...

Yay new units, and not via a kickstarter.

The stealth price rise is disappointing, the best selling point of mantic's range is how cheap it is to build an army. It does them no good if everyone is playing KOW but nobody is using their models.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
What is it with Mantic and face-tanks?

Too many He-Man cartoons as kids?

Wouldnt the enemy just jump on the face/tusk area, climb up and kill the people inside? It doesnt look like a battle effective design.

Odd timing for a significant price rise without warning, given that GW is putting out their much improved value "Start Collecting" series of boxes right now...

 Azazelx wrote:
Odd timing for a significant price rise without warning, given that GW is putting out their much improved value "Start Collecting" series of boxes right now...

Not really. Those Start Collecting boxes are heavily discounted and are still insanely priced.

Look at the Orc boxes for KoW and AoS. The AoS one gets you six cavalry models, eleven infantry models, and a chariot. The KoW Orc starter, for the same price, gives you ten cavalry models, 40 infantry, 3 chariots, and a bunch of smaller models for three bases of swarm infantry.

lol, the pig tank from p.171
I was JUST telling my kids about Barnyard Commandos.

 infinite_array wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Odd timing for a significant price rise without warning, given that GW is putting out their much improved value "Start Collecting" series of boxes right now...

Not really. Those Start Collecting boxes are heavily discounted and are still insanely priced.

Look at the Orc boxes for KoW and AoS. The AoS one gets you six cavalry models, eleven infantry models, and a chariot. The KoW Orc starter, for the same price, gives you ten cavalry models, 40 infantry, 3 chariots, and a bunch of smaller models for three bases of swarm infantry.

Certainly the KoW "army boxes" are still nicely priced, and the discount is huge. Perhaps the price raise is deliberately aimed at trying to sell more army boxes and less individual units.

Still, I find little incentive to buy ten abyssal dwarf decimators (metal/plastic hybrid models) for 25€ when I can get the Russian Alternative arquebusiers for 30€ (full metal, way better models).

Exactly. And that's the issue. Mantic will get people to build armies with their models thru price. They aren't in the big kids league of awesomeness of sculpt. Bumping their prices narrows that gap of cheap vs. pretty. Where someone might not spend $10 for prettier they will spend $5 and that kinda the gap they've closed.

I've been checking the KoW store for some months to see if the new Goblin army deal was out and I think the price rises have been rolled out over time as they repackaged the range after KoW2 came out.

On a individual level their prices are too high and in many cases I'd rather get GW models (like goblin cavalry) but when it comes to the army deals Mantic are really hard to beat.


Btw, what happened to the chess clock app? I still need to claim mine.

Can you link those Russian arquibuses ?

 carlos13th wrote:
Can you link those Russian arquibuses ?

They have an Ebay store, you'll see them there.

But here they are:



I have 30 in the mail, should be here within a week

 Red Viper wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
Can you link those Russian arquibuses ?

They have an Ebay store, you'll see them there.

But here they are:

Spoiler:

I have 30 in the mail, should be here within a week

Woah, wait, you can get 10 of those in plastic for $16?

Yeah, screw Mantic's Abyssal Dwarves.

So, does this herald a potential collapse for Mantic and their Kickstarter model?

Oh, wow. Thanks for mentioning Russian Alternative, their stuff does look pretty cool.

The RA stuff is all metal multipart. And they are in no way 10 for $16. Not sure where that came from.

 Azazelx wrote:
The RA stuff is all metal multipart. And they are in no way 10 for $16. Not sure where that came from.

From ebay. At the price they sell it for on their store and they sell either metal (for more) or plastic (for $16 for 10).

Yeah, I just looked at their eBay store. They do have metal figures, true, but they also have plastic ones.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dwarves-of-Fire-Canyon-with-Great-Weapon-PLASTIC-Russian-Alternative-/182020829111?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

Yeah, I wouldn't get too excited. That's probably restic, hence the low price. Usually when "plastics" are made based on metal miniature molds, they tend to be restic, not HIPS. That's what Studio McVey did, that's what Mantic does, and it's what Privateer Press does.

Russian Alternative seems to currently be making a sale: 50% discount in "plastics" and 20% in metals.

Hmm I've always wanted to have that chaos dwarf sorcerer in holy metal...

Edit: I've read nice things about their "plastic" (actually restic, as someone already mentioned above) models. Don't have any myself though.

Hey guys - as much as I enjoy alternative chaos dwarf models (I have some from probably a dozen ranges myself!) this thread is devoted to Mantic's fantasy releases.

Mentioning an alternative is totally fine, but we shouldn't discuss it too in-depth... a thread for Russian Alternative would be best at this point.

Cheers all

So we heard talk of a book later this year containing three more armies - Twilight Kin, Ophidia and something else.

We have any ideas about Ophidia and the something else?

Gotta plan my kick-starters for the year!

GW just killed the Ophidia line. Or perhaps saved it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
GW just killed the Ophidia line. Or perhaps saved it.

Huh? I don't follow GW news all that closely. Details, please.

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
GW just killed the Ophidia line. Or perhaps saved it.

Huh? I don't follow GW news all that closely. Details, please.

Tomb Kings are discontinued. Even the new stuff.

I thought Ophidians were a variation on Kingdoms of Men with some undead troops mixed in.

Fluff wise Ophidia is the successor civilisation to the Empire of Dust, ie Tomb Kings, formed by a few princes and their followers who got out of the old empire degenerated into roving bands of undead being used as political weapons. Not sure what visual aesthetic they'll go with, but KoM + undead laborers is the theme.

The "something else" is the unnamed "Northern Alliance" or "Winterlands" army, it's referenced in the elf fluff in the main rulebook - a city in the north called "Chill" founded by an exiled prince, who may have found an artifact of great power in the wastes. He's followed by his equally exiled, homeless, or dispossessed 'vibrant and ambitious' elves from all the kindreds. along with norse humans, ice elementals, and other creatures of the cold such as snow trolls and yetis. Possibly also Ogres.
Some people assume them to be a settlement of the Ice Elves from the Bitterlands, but Elvenholme knows better.

Going back to an earlier topic, bundle pricing does create strange situations. Revenant Cavalry are $35 for 10.

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/undead/product/undead-revenant-cavalry-10-figures.html

So, $70 for 20 of them. At that point, $10 extra would translate to 22 extra figures, some of them pretty large:

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/undead/product/undead-elite-army.html

I seriously question how many people will want to buy the standalone parts of that bundle as long as the bundle exists.

Of course, they're not the only company to do weird stuff like this. While reception to GW's new "Start Collecting" sets seems to be positive, it has created it's share of pricing weirdness. Probably the most blatant being "why would you ever want to buy a standalone Carnosaur or pack of Crisis Suits?".