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Mantic pricing has always been about bulk, the same thing came up in the sci fi thread about 12 months ago - at the time, the plastic Enforcers in a minimum box of 10 cost the same as 10 troopers from Dreamforge, which are nicer for the price. But if you went to buy 40 troopers from Dreamforge it was the same price per unit, whereas a box of 40 Enforcers ended up ~$15 cheaper.

Just in case anyones curious / waiting.

The reprinted 'Adventurers Companion' for Dungeon Saga turned up today. - It even fixed the wrong text for the Sylph. - Now I actually know what one is!

Yeah, but is it on page XXX?

New unofficial KoW news/resource site, and first vision of the new Wights

http://kingsofwarresource.com/2016/02/19/new-mantic-undead-wights-exclusive-sneak-preview/

They look pretty nice.

Seems like they're very monoposed though. Hopefully there are some variant arms in the kit at least or it'll be too many duplicates when making a horde.

I like the look of them, but I fear they only have the three variants.

I was put off of the soul reavers for this reason, nice models but there is only 5 of them, in a minimum troop of 10 having two of each model looks naff.

I like them. Will have to get some.

Oh don't get me wrong, the wights look good, I'll probably pick them up, but only one set of 3.
If I find I really NEED a horde of them for games I'll have to try some conversions, or maybe see if somebody like reaper do some other models that fit in.

The Anti Paladin, Order of the Scourge Hellknight, Order of the Nail Hellknight, and three Barrow Wardens, all from Bones 2, are close enough to the theme that you can mix and match.

I've also seen some good conversions using Sigmarines.

 NTRabbit wrote:
New unofficial KoW news/resource site, and first vision of the new Wights

http://kingsofwarresource.com/2016/02/19/new-mantic-undead-wights-exclusive-sneak-preview/

Nice site! Do you know who is behind it?

The models look quite good - I might want to swap the heads, but that looks easy enough.

The site is run by Nick Williams of the KoW RC.

I think there were plans for an official website to be done by Mantic and the RC, but I think this works better since it is open to contributions and guest articles and can cover non-mantic miniatures.

The getting started guide for people who currently own warhammer armies is great:

http://kingsofwarresource.com/getting-started/getting-started-for-warhammer-fantasy-players/

Only gripe with those wights is that there won't be a lot of variance if you want to run more than one regiment.

I'm curious to see how they'll look put together. Those are some BIG weapons!

Always been a fan of armed and armored undead, rather than the shambling blood and guts types. Will be keeping my eyes out for these.

Nice Wights. Will probably get them eventually - at a discount.

That's awesome, thanks squig!

One more question - where makes the most sense to post KoW army lists for critique? Obviously there's the Mantic subforum here which I'll use, but what is the next resource?

For example, with chaos dwarfs I would use chaos dwarfs online, but now that I'm configuring them for KoW I'd like to both get advice and see others lists / etc. Boss Salvage pointed me to this awesome resource for bat reps, but looking to find one for list building discussion too

http://swordmasterofhoeth.blogspot.com/p/reports-kings-of-war.html?m=1

Cheers for any help!

 RiTides wrote:
That's awesome, thanks squig!

One more question - where makes the most sense to post KoW army lists for critique? Obviously there's the Mantic subforum here which I'll use, but what is the next resource?

For example, with chaos dwarfs I would use chaos dwarfs online, but now that I'm configuring them for KoW I'd like to both get advice and see others lists / etc. Boss Salvage pointed me to this awesome resource for bat reps, but looking to find one for list building discussion too

http://swordmasterofhoeth.blogspot.com/p/reports-kings-of-war.html?m=1

Cheers for any help!

Kings of War Fanatics Facebook group is a (generally) terrific group, and very vocal/helpful.

Though most of the UK meta did poo-poo my 2000pts Ogre list which I just won a pretty nice tournament with yesterday. ;-)

^ Congrats! List building definitely isn't everything when it comes to KoW.

Having a strategy for the list is more important than the contents of the list itself.

Really glad to hear that Ogres won a tournament, we've been hearing reports of all sorts of armies managing to score a #1 spot in a tournament, or place highly, the balance of the game is really good.

Lots of different builds possible even within the same army, there's no "one way" to play any particular army.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Congrats! List building definitely isn't everything when it comes to KoW.

Having a strategy for the list is more important than the contents of the list itself.

Really glad to hear that Ogres won a tournament, we've been hearing reports of all sorts of armies managing to score a #1 spot in a tournament, or place highly, the balance of the game is really good.

Lots of different builds possible even within the same army, there's no "one way" to play any particular army.

Well, i'm the guy who was arguing that psychological victories are needed in KoW. As expected, fitting an Ogre Legion and Grokagamok in at 2000pts, meant scared opponents who GREATLY over-committed to dealing with them (with even top-tier opponents frequently taking bait, side charging them even if it meant exposing two or even three units rear facings to Hordes of Siege-Breakers).

^ Can see why that would work well, the unit has a colossal footprint, and if it gets parked on an objective that's a serious problem.

@RiTides - I've found the Mantic forum to be quite helpful, or just the subforum here on Dakka has a lot of really good posts.

 Compel wrote:
Just in case anyones curious / waiting.

The reprinted 'Adventurers Companion' for Dungeon Saga turned up today. - It even fixed the wrong text for the Sylph. - Now I actually know what one is!

Did you get any kind of ship notice, or did it just turn up?

Mine showed up literally out of the blue on Friday night.

Didn't even know they were already shipping.

I appreciate that the cover doesn't have the bizarro skeleton who got mirrored into himself in the bottom corner.

Lots of new KoW minis, they'll also be releasing Silverbreeze Cavalry for the Elves and a Steel Behemoth for the Dwarfs shortly afterwards.

http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/02/march-to-war.html

Lykanis (Undead) / Alpha Lycan (The Herd)


Troll Bruiser:


Abyssal Dwarf Slave Driver:


Undead Wights:

Looks like the unfortunate Mantic 'tiny-legs-syndome' is still alive and well

The Lycanis/Lycan is servicable I suppose, but that Troll Bruiser looks like someone made a mocking parody of a Mantic troll that skipped leg day.

Wights look nice at least. Hope there is some extra weapons to avoid a horde being multiples of the three exact same models.

Slave driver and Wights are great.
Other pair are a bit too cartoon for me.

If the arms are mix and match on the Wights, then those are really cool. If not, they're not bad but it would be a real missed opportunity.

The werewolf is ...odd. At least they tried to paint him a more traditional scheme but that fur patch is just ...weird.

The troll.. He's kinda cool but the way the arms join the body kinda throws it and I feel like the legs could stand to be a tad thicker. I'm sure he'll get lots of hate but I think he's at the borderline of being an interestingly quirky sculpt and a bad one.

That Abyssal is nice. I hope his whip is pewter so it can be smoothed out though.

I haven't been keeping up with KoW. Where do I look to see what all is needed to hop in (especially if I have tons of models already). Are the newest armies in the main rulebook?

Whole lot of meh, imho.

Polio is the scourge of the lycanthrope community.

The werewolf could have been so great...could have. I can't even say his upper half is good because of that bizarre muzzle. It looks like a bee stung the nose of an Oozaru. A Ferengi Oozaru. It makes the Frostgrave gnolls look like they were sculpted by a meticulous anatomist.


And the troll is just trolling. Literally.


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The slavedriver looks interesting to me. His flashy pose is exactly what I would expect from a chef who prepares the fish at your table, which nicely aligns with his outfit.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

The slavedriver looks interesting to me. His flashy pose is exactly what I would expect from a chef who prepares the fish at your table, which nicely aligns with his outfit.

Bob, I need to know where you're eating because I would pay for someone dressed like that Abyssal to prepare my meal at my table. #notjoking

Love the wights.

 MLaw wrote:
II haven't been keeping up with KoW. Where do I look to see what all is needed to hop in (especially if I have tons of models already). Are the newest armies in the main rulebook?

The game rules (minus the artifacts) are availible free on the Mantic homepage. There you can also download stipped down army lists (not all units are included) for some of the more common armies.
http://www.manticgames.com/games/kings-of-war/free-rules.html

Full rules is available to purchase in physical format or digital:
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/getting-started.html
http://www.manticdigital.com/product-category/kings-of-war/

Kings of War 2nd edition has lists and fluff for the 12 "original" armies. Uncharted empires covers 9 newly released armies, most being designed to accomodate existing WHFB armies not covered in the main book and two wholly new ones (Nightstalkers, Trident realm).

All unit stats are also availible for free at the army building webpage of http://kow2.easyarmy.com/ but it can be a little hard to know what everything represent it you're not already familiar with the armies.

 MLaw wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

The slavedriver looks interesting to me. His flashy pose is exactly what I would expect from a chef who prepares the fish at your table, which nicely aligns with his outfit.

Bob, I need to know where you're eating because I would pay for someone dressed like that Abyssal to prepare my meal at my table. #notjoking

I think it was in LA during some parade. You'll know you've found it when you can't stop making Lo Pan jokes.

(I thought it was Benihana, but google seems to think those chefs lack the proper flamboyance.)