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I don't quite get why they don't use that new PVC they've been using since the DZ2 Kickstarter for the rank n' file troop types.

Is it just too expensive to work with outside of the KS funding, like tooling plastic sprues?

I started collecting LotR minis back when they seemed to go OOP and that really made me appreciate metals again. I still prefer hard plastic of course, but if that's not an option I will gladly take metal.

Naiad Wyrmrider Centurion now too



and Riverguard Captain

Sign that I am way too old... I looked at that Riverguard and thought 'Slann!'

The Auld Grump - the ones from the first few editions of Warhammer....

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Sign that I am way too old... I looked at that Riverguard and thought 'Slann!'

The Auld Grump - the ones from the first few editions of Warhammer....

My first thought as well.. I have w bunch of the old metal Slann. Maybe I need to think about a Neritican army...

Valete,

JohnS

 Psychopomp wrote:

I don't quite get why they don't use that new PVC they've been using since the DZ2 Kickstarter for the rank n' file troop types.

Is it just too expensive to work with outside of the KS funding, like tooling plastic sprues?

They use plastic for rank and file, because people buy lots of that. They'd never make enough money on monsters and characters for it to be profitable, not unless they grow into a much bigger company.

 Micky wrote:

They use plastic for rank and file, because people buy lots of that. They'd never make enough money on monsters and characters for it to be profitable, not unless they grow into a much bigger company.

the Mars Attacks mutant spider and ant models were plastic.

If they did 1 model on a sprue, 1 body, 1 head, 2 claws, 4 legs and maybe a couple of add-ons for diversity . have the head/legs/arms with ball joints for posability. people would order 2-6 of them for regiment/hordes plus it would be a cool model for D&D and other games systems. i think there could be an argument there for plastic over metal.

Props were props is due, these models are heads and shoulders above the usual Mantic fare, really like both the designs and sculpts on most of these!

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Micky wrote:

They use plastic for rank and file, because people buy lots of that. They'd never make enough money on monsters and characters for it to be profitable, not unless they grow into a much bigger company.

the Mars Attacks mutant spider and ant models were plastic.

If they did 1 model on a sprue, 1 body, 1 head, 2 claws, 4 legs and maybe a couple of add-ons for diversity . have the head/legs/arms with ball joints for posability. people would order 2-6 of them for regiment/hordes plus it would be a cool model for D&D and other games systems. i think there could be an argument there for plastic over metal.

I think access to manufacturing facilities might be the barrier here rather than cost.
Metal figures can be casted by Mantic in-house or outsourced to a multitude of smaller facilities. HIPS manufacturers on the other hand are few and far in between and Mantic has already gotten burned when they tried to tool sprues in China. Maybe these models could be done in HIPS and be financially viable, but then couldn't be released until 2018 or even later, whenever there's a slot open at Rendera, Wargames Factory or similar.

What about the DUST plastic they used for their last KS. I thought that was manufactured in Europe somewhere?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What about the DUST plastic they used for their last KS. I thought that was manufactured in Europe somewhere?

Paolo Parente (and some of the design staff?) may be based in Europe, but all of the tooling and manufacture is in Hong Kong

Things are getting Crazy in Mantic HQ it seems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAfyUB_2o1k

You'd think 50% of crazy boxes having an extra dragon or adventure gamebook in them would be appealing, but instead I just worry about getting one of the ones without them in.

I'll pay full retail for the gamebook instead, would rather it registered as a sale so they make more of them. Might look out for the tyrant of halpi at £20 though.

Are the game books for sale? Where can I find them?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are the game books for sale? Where can I find them?

They're not for sale yet, should hopefully be released towards the end of the month, already played the digital edition, it's a great book.

No open day pictures, I am a little perplexed?

There wasn't any KoW picture revelations that hadn't already been shown off ahead of time. In terms of writeups:

Tournament book coming early next year (Feb I think was mentioned). Contains new scenarios, new artefacts, new spells and puts the CoK changes down in writing. Playing with the changes is opponents consent only.

After that we have Trident Realms being launched with full army release in Feb, individual units in March.

Campaign book in April I think? Contains background for the summer campaign as well as some scenarios, some living legends etc.

Sourcebook towards the end of the year. 200+ pages of background fluff, including what's happening "now" and a chapter for each army.

Salamander army release towards the end of the year.

Mantic are bringing resin casting in-house from January and will be making some kits (particularly large infantry or larger) in resin. Once the molds wear out for some existing metal kits, such as Wyrm Riders, they'll convert them to resin.

Kings of War skirmish at some point next year. Will be used to develop hard plastic sprues for many armies, as well as some resin characters.

Siege rules will be done after skirmish. The RC wants to not just do the "Siege" scenario (that's actually an assault scenario) but also all the little scenarios around that, including sallies from the castle, small incursions, camp raids etc.

The RC wants to do a new unit for each of the core races (main rulebook + Trident Realms + Nightstalkers), but also bring them all up to the same number of units. This means some armies, such as Orcs and surprisingly Goblins, will get multiple new units. This hasn't been confirmed yet, but Ronnie did agree to flying gore riders for Orcs

New hard plastic Basilean Men At Arms and entirely new Drakons (might be one of the early resin releases?)

I need more disposable income.

Bringing the resin in house is both a potential plus and a potential minus

being able to control their own production timescale, numbers and avoiding bumping into the 'sorry we're busy for the next 3 months, find somebody else' is going to be very, very helpful,

but I really, really hope they manage to get the QC for it better than they have for their in house metal which they can obviously do well sometimes,

but at others is either spun by fisty glueman himself (with all the skill in metal casting a tube of superglue with plastic hands could be expected to show) or QC'd by a blind monkey

Great news all. Orcs can really need some more entries in their list. More hard plastic is always interesting.

Switching the big models from metal to resin seems to be a good move to increase the demographic. (I'm ok with either as long as quality is good but there seems to be quite a few metallophobics out there these days)

Thats some great info, all of it very very positive IMO.

I hope orcs dont get flying pigs, I would prefer to see something new/different added to their list like maybe burrowing creatures or scavenging birds/creatures that live off the battlefields

Those new renders do look good. Hopefully the end products come out as well.

I'd be interested to see what new units armies like orcs get. Aside from potentially silly stuff like flying pigs, I feel that they need some more infantry options.

 Azazelx wrote:
Those new renders do look good. Hopefully the end products come out as well.

I'd be interested to see what new units armies like orcs get. Aside from potentially silly stuff like flying pigs, I feel that they need some more infantry options.

Really? What do you think they need? Ax, Morax, and Greatax feel like enough-- in my opinion, at least.

I really don't want flying pigs.

Wrath of Kings already has the flying pigs covered.



Give 'em greenish skin and they're flying pig orcs?

My thought is more heavily armored orcs?

How much material is the sourcebook likely to contain that we haven't already seen in the main rule book and the Basilian expansion book?

 JoshInJapan wrote:

Really? What do you think they need? Ax, Morax, and Greatax feel like enough-- in my opinion, at least.

Yeah, after rereading their history of genetic manipulation and violence I cant think of any other Orc units without delving into silly ideas, thats why I suggested some 'hanger onners' units that might be a part of an orc battlehost or scavenging from it.

We shall see I guess.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Can we hit the giant enemy crab's weak point for massive damage?

In a way you can, they have the big shield rule meaning that attacks from the front are against def 6+, while flank and rear attacks target the weak points at only def 4+.

 Azazelx wrote:
Those new renders do look good. Hopefully the end products come out as well.

I'd be interested to see what new units armies like orcs get. Aside from potentially silly stuff like flying pigs, I feel that they need some more infantry options.

Personally I'd like Orc berserkers (both foot and mounted) and Orc spears to be added to the list

I'm not keen on the flying pigs idea but some sort of extra flyer would be nice. Bound bat swarms or juvenile winged slashers maybe?

Sounds like a promising year!

 Maccwar wrote:


Personally I'd like Orc berserkers (both foot and mounted) and Orc spears to be added to the list

I'm not keen on the flying pigs idea but some sort of extra flyer would be nice. Bound bat swarms or juvenile winged slashers maybe?

Spear orcs would be really nice, I would also like to see atleast some rules for a monster or two.