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So, if anyone needed mindflayers for D&D...

RE: Paintjobs - I take it you never saw the original Veer-myn paintjobs/modeling? The store images had massive gaps and the paint looked like they had commissioned the heroclix painters..

Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Material is supposedly metal, no idea about the price. Probably similar to their other metal infantry.

I can see what the Thuul paint job is meant to be - cephalopod flesh, like a small squid or cuttlefish just pulled out of the ocean, which it does.

Whether it works at this scale or not... I think I'd wait to see it in person before judging.

Man, if only the thuul were hard plastic... I'd probably have to see the prices for metal.

Maybe its just my eyes but the Thuul paintjob makes it really hard for me to see any of the detail, it just blends into a big blob unless I really stop and focus.

The models seem pretty cool! I agree that it'd be nice to see some unpainted pics, too.

The renders for these models looked pretty cool, unfortunately the paintjobs dont seem do them justice.

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

Genestealers with four arms and exoskeletons? Uh...

Definite Cthulhu influences. The design of Everything out there is influenced by something. Whether it feels derivative or not largely depends on how similar the two products are. When your checklist of similarities with Cthulhu himself ends at "squid head" and "underwater dwellers", combined with the fact that nobody else makes humanoid size squid men barbarians, I'm totally comfortable calling them original.

Re the loincloths, who is to say that an advanced civilization doesn't care about covering their genitals? Is the one more believable than the other? Stop stereotyping other cultures! (Lest I summon the self styled thought police of the internet, the last comment was made entirely in jest. Besides, I think I have to say something about gender to finish the incantation)

Man, the paint jobs on the Thull and Gigas would greatly benefit from a splash of Soft Tone. The models are pretty decent though. I might have to get a Thull troop just for general purpose fantasy/sci-fi/mythos gaming.

So why can't they release these things in the same plastic they've been doing the board game stuff in?

What's to stop that material from being used for multi part models?

That's what Wyrd's doing with The Other Side after all...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So why can't they release these things in the same plastic they've been doing the board game stuff in?

What's to stop that material from being used for multi part models?

That's what Wyrd's doing with The Other Side after all...

The new Dreadball teams are cast in the Walking Dead game plastic so hopefully the new Trident Realms KoW stuff is the same plastic.

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Will these be restic?

The spiky digitigrades are my favorite of the bunch.

They are the Walking Dead plastic, so, really good gak.

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

Genestealers with four arms and exoskeletons? Uh...

Definite Cthulhu influences. The design of Everything out there is influenced by something. Whether it feels derivative or not largely depends on how similar the two products are. When your checklist of similarities with Cthulhu himself ends at "squid head" and "underwater dwellers", combined with the fact that nobody else makes humanoid size squid men barbarians, I'm totally comfortable calling them original.

Re the loincloths, who is to say that an advanced civilization doesn't care about covering their genitals? Is the one more believable than the other? Stop stereotyping other cultures! (Lest I summon the self styled thought police of the internet, the last comment was made entirely in jest. Besides, I think I have to say something about gender to finish the incantation)

The similliaraties are: legs, arms, clawed feet, a leaning forwards/running pose, a prolonged bulbous head with tentacles, purple(ok, this one doesn't matter really) - that's quite few. And they are miniatures in one scale for wargames, hence they are comparable, therefor I see the latest one less original
But that's subjective
As to cloth underwear - they dwell under water and it would float all about, making the thing look even more stupid and on surface any movement would reveal everything. its dumb (like my whole argument about panties of Kings of War plastic miniatures with squid heads) and looks like a "family friendly" tool

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

Genestealers with four arms and exoskeletons? Uh...

Definite Cthulhu influences. The design of Everything out there is influenced by something. Whether it feels derivative or not largely depends on how similar the two products are. When your checklist of similarities with Cthulhu himself ends at "squid head" and "underwater dwellers", combined with the fact that nobody else makes humanoid size squid men barbarians, I'm totally comfortable calling them original.

Re the loincloths, who is to say that an advanced civilization doesn't care about covering their genitals? Is the one more believable than the other? Stop stereotyping other cultures! (Lest I summon the self styled thought police of the internet, the last comment was made entirely in jest. Besides, I think I have to say something about gender to finish the incantation)

The similliaraties are: legs, arms, clawed feet, a leaning forwards/running pose, a prolonged bulbous head with tentacles, purple(ok, this one doesn't matter really) - that's quite few. And they are miniatures in one scale for wargames, hence they are comparable, therefor I see the latest one less original
But that's subjective
As to cloth underwear - they dwell under water and it would float all about, making the thing look even more stupid and on surface any movement would reveal everything. its dumb (like my whole argument about panties of Kings of War plastic miniatures with squid heads) and looks like a "family friendly" tool

Everything must feel terribly derivative in a world in which "has legs" and "has arms" and "running pose" mark two miniatures as being too close in design for comfort.

Re loincloths floating about in the water, that is a good point. I think these are portrayed as being on land though. Maybe they should have gone with pants.

Fingers crossed they are in some version of plastic.

 Gallahad wrote:

Everything must feel terribly derivative in a world in which "has legs" and "has arms" and "running pose" mark two miniatures as being too close in design for comfort.

Re loincloths floating about in the water, that is a good point. I think these are portrayed as being on land though. Maybe they should have gone with pants.

Fingers crossed they are in some version of plastic.

Especially since Genestealers are cheap knock-offs of Giger Xenomorphs, these guys are just little naked Illithids. They look like the cute babies of Uuthüll

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

Genestealers with four arms and exoskeletons? Uh...

Definite Cthulhu influences. The design of Everything out there is influenced by something. Whether it feels derivative or not largely depends on how similar the two products are. When your checklist of similarities with Cthulhu himself ends at "squid head" and "underwater dwellers", combined with the fact that nobody else makes humanoid size squid men barbarians, I'm totally comfortable calling them original.

Re the loincloths, who is to say that an advanced civilization doesn't care about covering their genitals? Is the one more believable than the other? Stop stereotyping other cultures! (Lest I summon the self styled thought police of the internet, the last comment was made entirely in jest. Besides, I think I have to say something about gender to finish the incantation)

The similliaraties are: legs, arms, clawed feet, a leaning forwards/running pose, a prolonged bulbous head with tentacles, purple(ok, this one doesn't matter really) - that's quite few. And they are miniatures in one scale for wargames, hence they are comparable, therefor I see the latest one less original
But that's subjective
As to cloth underwear - they dwell under water and it would float all about, making the thing look even more stupid and on surface any movement would reveal everything. its dumb (like my whole argument about panties of Kings of War plastic miniatures with squid heads) and looks like a "family friendly" tool

Everything must feel terribly derivative in a world in which "has legs" and "has arms" and "running pose" mark two miniatures as being too close in design for comfort.

Re loincloths floating about in the water, that is a good point. I think these are portrayed as being on land though. Maybe they should have gone with pants.

Fingers crossed they are in some version of plastic.

They are aquatic creatures so they aren't familiar with just how drafty it can be on land so they put some loincloths on to keep they bait and tackle from getting cold. Thuul probably don't wear loincloths underwater but we'll never know because if they were underwater they wouldn't have any opposing army to fight against so they'd never get a tabletop representation while submerged in their natural habitat.

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

Genestealers with four arms and exoskeletons? Uh...

Definite Cthulhu influences. The design of Everything out there is influenced by something. Whether it feels derivative or not largely depends on how similar the two products are. When your checklist of similarities with Cthulhu himself ends at "squid head" and "underwater dwellers", combined with the fact that nobody else makes humanoid size squid men barbarians, I'm totally comfortable calling them original.

Re the loincloths, who is to say that an advanced civilization doesn't care about covering their genitals? Is the one more believable than the other? Stop stereotyping other cultures! (Lest I summon the self styled thought police of the internet, the last comment was made entirely in jest. Besides, I think I have to say something about gender to finish the incantation)

The similliaraties are: legs, arms, clawed feet, a leaning forwards/running pose, a prolonged bulbous head with tentacles, purple(ok, this one doesn't matter really) - that's quite few. And they are miniatures in one scale for wargames, hence they are comparable, therefor I see the latest one less original
But that's subjective
As to cloth underwear - they dwell under water and it would float all about, making the thing look even more stupid and on surface any movement would reveal everything. its dumb (like my whole argument about panties of Kings of War plastic miniatures with squid heads) and looks like a "family friendly" tool

Everything must feel terribly derivative in a world in which "has legs" and "has arms" and "running pose" mark two miniatures as being too close in design for comfort.

Re loincloths floating about in the water, that is a good point. I think these are portrayed as being on land though. Maybe they should have gone with pants.

Fingers crossed they are in some version of plastic.

Seriously.. you completely just chose to ignore the tentacle face thing??? These are straight mindflayers, as I joked about earlier.I'm just not complaining because I have a use for that

RE: Floating loincloths.. I don't know the fluff but perhaps they are more wetland type creatures that dwell mostly in shallows and sewers and water filled caves?

 judgedoug wrote:
They look like the cute babies of Uuthüll

Gods damn, that model is still sexy as feth

Because can, how about a mostly terrible 1000 points of Thuul just designed to get Uuthüll and his babies (including the Thuul Mythican also coming out) onto the table?
- Salvage

Doesn't look terrible to me! The Thuul just gotta hit first with those 20 attacks I want to see that army!

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Paint jobs aside, I'll be getting some of those Thuul. Nice and original sculpts. Does anyone know anything about material or price?

Looks a lot like genestealers with even bigger Chtulhu influence to me.

+ cloth around the waste. Because the underwater forces of daemons/Chtulhu creatures care about not exhibiting their genitals (which they supposably have, hence the knickers existance?) to the mortal realms.

Genestealers with four arms and exoskeletons? Uh...

Definite Cthulhu influences. The design of Everything out there is influenced by something. Whether it feels derivative or not largely depends on how similar the two products are. When your checklist of similarities with Cthulhu himself ends at "squid head" and "underwater dwellers", combined with the fact that nobody else makes humanoid size squid men barbarians, I'm totally comfortable calling them original.

Re the loincloths, who is to say that an advanced civilization doesn't care about covering their genitals? Is the one more believable than the other? Stop stereotyping other cultures! (Lest I summon the self styled thought police of the internet, the last comment was made entirely in jest. Besides, I think I have to say something about gender to finish the incantation)

The similliaraties are: legs, arms, clawed feet, a leaning forwards/running pose, a prolonged bulbous head with tentacles, purple(ok, this one doesn't matter really) - that's quite few. And they are miniatures in one scale for wargames, hence they are comparable, therefor I see the latest one less original
But that's subjective
As to cloth underwear - they dwell under water and it would float all about, making the thing look even more stupid and on surface any movement would reveal everything. its dumb (like my whole argument about panties of Kings of War plastic miniatures with squid heads) and looks like a "family friendly" tool

Everything must feel terribly derivative in a world in which "has legs" and "has arms" and "running pose" mark two miniatures as being too close in design for comfort.

Re loincloths floating about in the water, that is a good point. I think these are portrayed as being on land though. Maybe they should have gone with pants.

Fingers crossed they are in some version of plastic.

Yeah, you kind of just missed the main "check" in similliaraties, that ties them all into a big one and you did that on purpose to make my point look unjustified as to "legs, arms", ect. - that's actuly a problem I have with fantasy and science fiction in wargames- 99% of miniatures seem to be "reskins" of a human. And that's boring and unimaginative. I guess that's due to people usually being more invested in to a character, if it resembles a human - one can put himself into that characters place easier

The thuul are inmetal. Supposedly funding was an issue to not get these guys in plastic

I don't mind the squid guys overall, but they should have left the loincloths off or given them "crustacean armour" or something. Squid don't have external genitals anyway.

Clash of Kings looks potentially useful. Will there be a digital version as well as the printed book?

re: thuul loincloths: Isnt the Trident Realms fluff based on all of the sentient creatures in their army being unwilling mash-ups, kind of like the Herd army? So why wouldnt the Thuul wear clothing, if they started out as a land dwelling human(oid)?

 Tyr13 wrote:
re: thuul loincloths: Isnt the Trident Realms fluff based on all of the sentient creatures in their army being unwilling mash-ups, kind of like the Herd army? So why wouldnt the Thuul wear clothing, if they started out as a land dwelling human(oid)?

That makes sense.

However honestly I don't get the point of the debate around it. Who cares. They look cool and will murder the face off most units with a handful of dice. Why care about the loincloths?

They are a blend of halfling and octopus, so I guess we can infer from the loincloth that there's a halfling bias around the groin area.

 lord marcus wrote:

 Tyr13 wrote:
re: thuul loincloths: Isnt the Trident Realms fluff based on all of the sentient creatures in their army being unwilling mash-ups, kind of like the Herd army? So why wouldnt the Thuul wear clothing, if they started out as a land dwelling human(oid)?

That makes sense.

However honestly I don't get the point of the debate around it. Who cares. They look cool and will murder the face off most units with a handful of dice. Why care about the loincloths?

Because I like models that are aesthetically pleasing to me and the loincloths reduce the quality of their appearance. It's the same as me not being pleased with the silly looking runes embedded into the skin of the Fyreslayers or the skulls embedded into the skin of the Khorgorath. We are allowed to discuss things we dislike as well as those things that we do like, aren't we?

Just because you don't give understand something doesn't mean that it can't be a legitimate point of discussion for other people.

And if ingame combat effectiveness should matter when talking about the aesthetic qualities of a model, you may as well just use an empty movement tray with the model statlines pasted on it. That will "murder the face off most units with a handful of dice" just as well as the best or worst models ever.

@Tyr and Baragash - I wasn't aware of that. It sounds silly to me (along with unwilling mash-ups caring about sexual modesty) but I can accept it in context as a reason better than marcus' "dont care" reply.

TBH I'd have left the loincloths at home too, I was just clarifying the background

All good mate.

Should have been loinseaweed , unless there are seasheep that I'm not aware of