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 kodos wrote:
For flying Gore Riders I expect something like this
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/36/c8/e4/36c8e4a1595181c4b2b4ce0ba98cd0e8.jpg

just with more Ax and Orcs

There are no plans to give them Lightning Bolt.

Why not?

 Daedleh wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:


Maybe you guys need to talk. One guy says one is the elite, the other says they're all elite.

BTW, when "everything" is elite, then nothing is.

I was giving the KoW Orc equivalent of BigUns, which are GreatAx. Morax are two handers which AFAIK are not from WHFB (though of course I'm sure I'm going to be wrong on that). I can see that wasn't clear from what I said though.

No-one said that everything is elite. Of the unit entries in the Orc list, the majority are elite but then so are the entries for Ogres. And Abyssals. And Elves. And Basileans. And The Herd. This isn't something unique to Orcs. It just means that there is a greater variety of elite units, necessitating a greater number of unit entries in the list.

If they wanted to add a Black Orc style unit to KoW without giving them elite, they could instead give them Rallying (1) instead. It would represent how Black Orcs are able to stop other Orcs from squabbling.

Of course, since they would need to refluff the Black Orcs to fit into KoW, they could come up with something like this:

"Of all the orcish warriors, none are more feared than the Mauls of Garkan. While most Orcs kill for the joy of it, the Mauls of Garkan fight with unholy purpose. These orcish death knights are fanatical dedicated to their dark master and regularly sacrifice prisoners-of-war atop an Abysmal Anvil. Garkan then uses these unfortunate souls to fuel his demonic forge, using their pain and sorrow to create more weapons for the Wicked Ones. On the battlefield, other Orcs fight twice as hard in the presence of a Maul of Garkan, lest they too be sacrificed on their vile anvil."

Do we have any timeframe for the KoW skirmish game more specific than "sometime next year?" yet?

 Psychopomp wrote:

Do we have any timeframe for the KoW skirmish game more specific than "sometime next year?" yet?

I'd guess late Q3 early Q4.

Two Trident Realm army deals are up on the website now

TRIDENT REALM OF NERITICA ARMY 59.99£
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/trident-realm-of-neritica/product/trident-realm-of-neritica-army.html

TRIDENT REALM OF NERITICA MEGA FORCE 99.99£
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/new-gear-new-game/product/trident-realm-of-neritica-mega-force.html

Well i'm definitely picking up a trident realm army, its way different then anything else out there and looks great. Well done mantic good job on this.

"KoW Skirmish" sounds very interesting - do we have a lot of solid info on that yet?

 Alpharius wrote:
"KoW Skirmish" sounds very interesting - do we have a lot of solid info on that yet?

(Source: Facebook) Ronnie saw/tested draft rules for the game for the first time on the 23rd or 24th so it's very early days yet

 Baragash wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
"KoW Skirmish" sounds very interesting - do we have a lot of solid info on that yet?

(Source: Facebook) Ronnie saw/tested draft rules for the game for the first time on the 23rd or 24th so it's very early days yet

It's much older than that.

jimf747 wrote:
Well i'm definitely picking up a trident realm army, its way different then anything else out there and looks great. Well done mantic good job on this.

Make sure to buy it in UK pounds sterling, works out cheaper than buying it in USD

Did I miss individual pictures of the things that are coming out for the fish people? I'm trying to make out some details but I don't see any large photos.
The really big .. maybe ogre-sized fish people in particular seem interesting, like great candidates for some Sahuagin.

 MLaw wrote:
Did I miss individual pictures of the things that are coming out for the fish people? I'm trying to make out some details but I don't see any large photos.
The really big .. maybe ogre-sized fish people in particular seem interesting, like great candidates for some Sahuagin.

The River Guard (frog-men) are just (20mm based) infantry. The ogre-sized models in the sets are the water elementals and the gigas (crabs).

In an interview with Mantic staff, they talked about the skirmish game coming out with the summer campaign. This is because they will be used to simulate siege warfare. Basically, a siege takes a long time, and would have several smaller encounters than when an entire army rushes through a breach in a wall. So, according to that interview, it should be out before July or August.

Also, it was mentioned that the skirmish rules would allow you to make your own heroes. They would not be allowed in tournaments, for obvious reasons. However, they would add a very cool "experience" system to the game. I think that they also mentioned that the skirmish rules would allow you to upgrade your normal units over numerous games.

I went back to look for the video, but I couldn't find it. I will update this post when I find it. It had Matt Gilbert, and another Mantic employee, in it. The working title at the time of the interview was Kings of War: Vanguard.

Until then, here is a great interview with Ronnie about the future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2FFaUakQM

All those things have been discussed, but most of them as part of the KoW sourcebook and/or "general's compendium" (which may be where siege goes, depending on the amount of material there is).

I was the other person sat with Matt at the seminar, though I'm not a Mantic employee, just an RC member

I didn't say that siege will be coming out with skirmish, just that we want to have skirmish rules in place before we write siege rules.

Here are the vids:
https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/10154671342782319/
https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/10154671392892319/

I hope they release a army set that contains only the new Trident Realm stuff, I could do without the naiads.

Naiads are the core hard plastic infantry of the army, I don't see there being a Trident army box without them.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Naiads are the core hard plastic infantry of the army, I don't see there being a Trident army box without them.

Yeah you are probably right, It´s a shame, I´m not really into the sea-nymph/elf aesthetic but love monstrous sea creature stuff.

 Daedleh wrote:
I was the other person sat with Matt at the seminar, though I'm not a Mantic employee, just an RC member

I didn't say that siege will be coming out with skirmish, just that we want to have skirmish rules in place before we write siege rules.

Here are the vids:
https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/10154671342782319/
https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/10154671392892319/

Sorry. I didn't mean to insinuate that siege rules were coming out. What I meant to say, was that the skirmish rules could be used to simulate different parts of a siege. By the way, thanks for the links. I loved the discussion in the vids.

Gotcha, sorry I misunderstood! I'm used to someone on Dakka idly mentioning something as a rumour or a possibility, then six months down the line various folk start complaining because Mantic apparently promised it

But yes, the skirmish rules used for the different parts of the siege leading up to the assault scenario. Breakthroughs, sallies, razing supplies etc.

I think siege rules would work really well for KoW. I don't think it would slow down play and would add some depth and more scenery opportunities to the game.

Seem to remember there was also some discussion about how the skirmish ruleset would allow them to soft launch a new style of Twilight Kin models, starting with a hero or two basically.

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...why would they release pictures of basecoated models? That is certainly the worst "official" paint job I've ever seen. The models look cool but tha paint job makes it hard to see.

That Thuul paint job is terrible, I can't even judge the models past that. The Gigas look alright but aside from the one on the far left their shells look like squished clay. The detail is also pretty soft overall. Like most of Mantic's stuff it comes down to being a decade behind what other companies are releasing.

Those Thuul look awesome, both the models and the paintjobs. Except the blue undies.

Are any of them plastic?

They look good to me.