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 Alpharius wrote:

But what will the 'production miniature' look like?

The final mini will look like the render

At least as long the majority of the beakers will not come up with "we don't care how the minis look like as long as we get them faster" like on the KoW KS.

This is fairly interesting too:



New Men at Arms are sorely needed for the Basilean faction. This render looks a bit chunky to me though. Hopefully actual models come off as a bit more realistically scaled when made into physical form.

 kodos wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

But what will the 'production miniature' look like?

The final mini will look like the render

Dare to dream!

I mean, I certainly hope so, but...

I hope the Scarecrow sprue has a pumpkin head or three...

i'm still offput by the bit at the bottom, artwork/contents subject to change far more so than with most companies,

then again I did like the doomwheels from Star Saga (and wish I'd got a tunneler or two) so I may back

 Alpharius wrote:

I mean, I certainly hope so, but...

But what?
Mantic is doing Resin in House and for HIPS has a new partner who stick to the contract

looking at the Summer Campaign and latest Warpath Minis, there is no reason to assume that those minis will be looking different than the render, except people are crying for it

I was thinking about it for a good few minutes about going for it.

The truth of the matter is, with my relative mehness about Deadzone 2 (Still not played a game), not playing Warpath, the strength of the various alternatives right now (Frostgrave has had several campaigns at my club so far, plus the Game That Shall Not Be Named), the price being really rather high (Probably £75 at least including shipping), I think I'll wait until retail, if it ever reaches retail.

As a sidenote, this looks like one of the first mantic kickstarters that hasn't immediately funded.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I hope the Scarecrow sprue has a pumpkin head or three...

Worst case, Anvil has you covered

So per the campaign page the miniatures will be PVC or resin? Any more infos on this? Because it would make quite a difference...

 Compel wrote:

The truth of the matter is, with my relative mehness about Deadzone 2 (Still not played a game), not playing Warpath, the strength of the various alternatives right now (Frostgrave has had several campaigns at my club so far, plus the Game That Shall Not Be Named), the price being really rather high (Probably £75 at least including shipping)

At the moment I don't see any other game taking the same spot
Frostgrave about the same size, but a very different game and everything else uses more models (on another Forum, a lot of people were worried about Vanguard as they play A Fantastic SAGA as fantasy skirmish, but with 10 model Warbands on the open field, AFS having ~30 it is different enough to have a closer look)

But I agree that this time, the prize is not a good reason to preorder, at least for now as it say "streatch goals included" and we don't know if they are worth it

So we are looking for 883 core pledges to get this funded, could take a while.

Will I receive the Kickstarter products before the game is available at retail?

We always endeavor to deliver the Kickstarter pledges before the game is available at retail, however in exceptional circumstances the pledges will deliver slightly after the retail launch. However, we try to avoid this as much as possible!

I chuckled.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
So per the campaign page the miniatures will be PVC or resin? Any more infos on this? Because it would make quite a difference...

I'd assume, as a rule of thumb, that larger models gets made in PVC and man-sized ones gets made in Resin.

That said, the Basilean info says "PVC and Resin" too, and they're only man-sized stuff.

The rules sound interesting, but the mini's leave me cold and imo duplicate miniatures in a small scale skirmish game is a big no.

The problem for me is that so much cool stuff is available to buy now or very soon (Necromunda) that I can't justify spending money on miniatures that will take many months before it is released.

RoninXiC wrote:Only a single pledge level.
I think wargaming kickstarters have finally grown up.

skarsol wrote:Well that's a boring Kickstarter.

Proof in action that you cna't please everyone

I've bought heavily into quite a few Mantic KS's. Each set of figures has improved over the previous. However, even a few of the Walking Dead figures had unfixable warping.

The really old DZ1 restic, although an awful material to work with, did work with the boiling water treatment. You could reshape anything. You just couldn't get rid of the awful mold lines though.

The latest pvc models seem to work with the boiling water treatment, but over a few days, slowly creep back to their warped positions.

My biggest worry for this KS is all those long thin straight Basilean weapons. How cheap are they going to look with curving.

I think I'll stick to SoBH until I see a retail version.

I agree the price is not great right now. You can get the book and a starter army set with ~50 models for KoW at retail for this sort of money.

Mantic Games: Based on previous Kickstarters and customer feedback, they prefered the idea of a starter set for one player. We will have a two-player starter set for the retail launch but you won't get as many miniatures in the warband as the Kickstater. We've got plenty of fun stuff planned! Plus, if you get another warband, you'll get all the dice and warband cards to use those too.

Who's giving this feedback? and why are they listening to it? if your going to do a skirmish game a two player starter is the way to go, I don't like the Basileans even the new designs but I'd take them as a 2nd warband over the terrain they've thrown in which is cheap padding as it's already paid for. This looks more like a $130 KS disguised as a $85 KS.

I've put $1 in to see how it goes.

EDIT:it appears they might be considering a 2 player option based on the KS comments feedback

Mantic Games 15-time creator 9 minutes ago
In regards to the two-player starter set, we asked community members and looked at previous Kickstarters and a lot of people responded that they preferred their own warband with the book, etc. However, rest assured, we're listening to your comments.

Let's all pester them for an option to swap terrain for a second warband.

In for $1 too. "Starter" with only 1 army? Lulz...

Also waiting on this, the $ pricing is the kicker for a UK backer, there's not £65 + whatever shipping comes to (possibly £10) worth in there.

£98 + shipping for both warbands is way over what I'd pay considering that's only 20 minis and terrain that a lot of us already have from the terraincrate KS.

This is probably one that is intended to have huge value as it progresses, but doesn't currently. That can backfire as per the dreadball frenzy pledge a while ago.

Seems to be going nicely so far, so we'll see. Some new hard plastics for KoW would definitely be welcome.

Bummed it isn't two warbands. Why are they making me decide?

Plus I've already got all the terrain crates coming. I'd rather see minimal terrain included with a 2nd warband instead.

Glad they're receptive to it.

Liking the designs they've shown off so far as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's all pester them for an option to swap terrain for a second warband.

On it.


I really don't get what they were going for with the starter. "Play this two player game--by yourself! Get a friend to buy the other faction, plus waste $40 buying a second book, terrain set, etc.!"


What if they threw a skirmish and only one side came?

Well, you can just add on the other warband and then you have a two player starter.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


i'm still offput by the bit at the bottom, artwork/contents subject to change far more so than with most companies,

then again I did like the doomwheels from Star Saga (and wish I'd got a tunneler or two) so I may back

This also applies to feedback. Remember the original design for the DOG Drones from Infestation?

Neither of these warbands is doing it for me. I think I'd be happy with a pledge for just the rulebook at this stage.

The initial offering seems very lacklustre to be honest, I hope they improve on this pretty fast. The sneak peak images of the northern alliance stuff is much more interesting.

Refresh my memory of these Northern Alliance sneak peaks...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Refresh my memory of these Northern Alliance sneak peaks...

Attached below Rob also mentioned Snow Trolls,

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Well, you can just add on the other warband and then you have a two player starter.

Yeah. Thinking about it. But $130 seems like a lot for what I actually want from the starter, the two factions' minis.

I'm actually a lot more excited about this than I thought I would be. The rules look fun, really enjoyed the batrep, and the Nightstalkers are fantastic.

That said, I will be waiting for retail. A combination of timing for the KS and KS burn in general.