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 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't know much about the production of miniatures, so pardon my ignorance in this question. Could Have Studio McVey/CMoN taken the master mini had its head cut off and re-sculpt a new head? If I recall right, the delivery date for Jada was not until next year, I would think that is enough time to get some changes in.

I was not as disappointed with the sculpt as some people were, I though the jaw could have been a little less pronounced but didn't seem to be as big of a deal to me.

But with about 40-ish percent (from that poll that was deleted) being disappointed in the head of Jada, and the new issue of a deleted thread, I wonder if it would be in the best interest to have the head re-sculpted even if it mean a small delay in shipping Jada and the other extras next year?

I don't know enough about sculpting, production and finances in the industry if this would be viable or suicide.

That's reasonable, why even allow feedback if they DO NOT CARE what we have to say?

I think that is a big issue here, they made a mint off Kickstarter 'investors' and people are trying to give feedback and being shutdown for giving anything negative or critical.

I own quite a bit of Studio McVey products and Sedition Wars Metal/Resin miniatures. I find the quality of the Ridley and this latest sculpt to be lackluster with what I was expecting based on prior quality from them. Truth be told? Looking forward to my Reaper Bones stuff over this now. ^.^

As far as I know, this was just a mod's decision to silence a forum user under his own judgement and not directly from the company itself. From my experience, mods always seem to be be fan boys to whatever degree and take criticism rather personal. I would like to hear from one of the Mcveys regarding this conundrum with the mod(s) and the sculpt of Jada, whether they plan on changing it or keeping it.



The head of Jada alone is no enough to turn me away from the game, I hope the McVeys did take notice and will pull for better quality control.

That's not what I heard, or rather saw: the now defunct thread had a final post by Ali McVey closing it.

My impression from the now lost comments, as well as what little remains, is that they don't think there is a problem with the Pilot sculpt; the problem is " threads descend into bickering and argument - they will be locked and/or deleted".

Everything seems to point to their general attitude being the sculpt is fine, the product is fine, people are just overreacting.

Personally I found the mini rather pedestrian. If I had a pledge, would I drop it just on the basis of that? Probably not. If more then one of the concept art pieces came out that way? Ehhh... it depends on what motivated your pledge. The Strain minis didn't do much for me, the Vanguard are a little too heroic scale to really excite me. The models that were done by the same guy that did their limited resins were cool... but everything appears to indicate he did very, very few (if any) other sculpts for the line.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't know much about the production of miniatures, so pardon my ignorance in this question. Could Have Studio McVey/CMoN taken the master mini had its head cut off and re-sculpt a new head? If I recall right, the delivery date for Jada was not until next year, I would think that is enough time to get some changes in.

I was not as disappointed with the sculpt as some people were, I though the jaw could have been a little less pronounced but didn't seem to be as big of a deal to me.

But with about 40-ish percent (from that poll that was deleted) being disappointed in the head of Jada, and the new issue of a deleted thread, I wonder if it would be in the best interest to have the head re-sculpted even if it mean a small delay in shipping Jada and the other extras next year?

I don't know enough about sculpting, production and finances in the industry if this would be viable or suicide.

That's reasonable, why even allow feedback if they DO NOT CARE what we have to say?

I think that is a big issue here, they made a mint off Kickstarter 'investors' and people are trying to give feedback and being shutdown for giving anything negative or critical.

I own quite a bit of Studio McVey products and Sedition Wars Metal/Resin miniatures. I find the quality of the Ridley and this latest sculpt to be lackluster with what I was expecting based on prior quality from them. Truth be told? Looking forward to my Reaper Bones stuff over this now. ^.^

As far as I know, this was just a mod's decision to silence a forum user under his own judgement and not directly from the company itself. From my experience, mods always seem to be be fan boys to whatever degree and take criticism rather personal. I would like to hear from one of the Mcveys regarding this conundrum with the mod(s) and the sculpt of Jada, whether they plan on changing it or keeping it.



The head of Jada alone is no enough to turn me away from the game, I hope the McVeys did take notice and will pull for better quality control.

That's not what I heard, or rather saw: the now defunct thread had a final post by Ali McVey closing it.

My impression from the now lost comments, as well as what little remains, is that they don't think there is a problem with the Pilot sculpt; the problem is " threads descend into bickering and argument - they will be locked and/or deleted".

Everything seems to point to their general attitude being the sculpt is fine, the product is fine, people are just overreacting.

Personally I found the mini rather pedestrian. If I had a pledge, would I drop it just on the basis of that? Probably not. If more then one of the concept art pieces came out that way? Ehhh... it depends on what motivated your pledge. The Strain minis didn't do much for me, the Vanguard are a little too heroic scale to really excite me. The models that were done by the same guy that did their limited resins were cool... but everything appears to indicate he did very, very few (if any) other sculpts for the line.

I heard it was Ali closing the thread down to, I did not see firsthand.

Either way, the actions taken in these early stages of growth will show us the shape and definition that Studio McVey will take on. Mike has always been a great guy in the past and I would not have expected things to change with SM, but you, small companies change when they start to get bigger and along with it; the people inside of the company change. I think that is what we are seeing here.

As Studio McVey transitions from small miniatures boutique type of outfit to larger mass production, they are becoming increasingly GW like. It's a shame because Mike used to really show a great deal of care for his customers before this Kickstarter. Now? I need not say anything, actions speak louder than words.



PS - I have seen better sculpted heads on 1970s and 80s Grenadier/Ral Partha miniatures I own.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

That's not what I heard, or rather saw: the now defunct thread had a final post by Ali McVey closing it.

My impression from the now lost comments, as well as what little remains, is that they don't think there is a problem with the Pilot sculpt; the problem is " threads descend into bickering and argument - they will be locked and/or deleted".

Everything seems to point to their general attitude being the sculpt is fine, the product is fine, people are just overreacting.

Interesting. I guess they're struggling to cope with the changes. What I mean by that is that their forum pre-SW would have mostly been populated by big fans and huge fanbois. It would have been small, intimate, and overall very positive in terms of feedback. A whole "we love you and everything you do, you can do no wrong" kinda vibe. Now with about four thousand new potential forum participants, they'll be finding that their formerly-peaceful patch of the internet is getting overrun by new people, including many who are a lot less inclined to love everything that comes out of the place. In turn, they're (over?) reacting to the changes in the forum. Of course, with Mike and Ali both active there, it's much easier for them to take things personally.




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 IdentifyZero wrote:

As Studio McVey transitions from small miniatures boutique type of outfit to larger mass production, they are becoming increasingly GW like. It's a shame because Mike used to really show a great deal of care for his customers before this Kickstarter. Now? I need not say anything, actions speak louder than words.

Not that I'm a fan of that sort of thing, but a couple of locked and purged threads doesn't quite equal "increasingly GW like." I'd suggest that your comment is actually the greatest exaggeration in the history of modern civilisation.

(see what I did there?)

@Alpharius: I have read comments that the same artist is doing concept work for both companies, yes.


SMV are obviously going through a huge change here. Moving from small releases to a pretty big project with a heck of a lot more customers, plus moving house, etc. I can understand a little tetchyness.

I hope that Mike and Ali understand that one of the reasons some of us were a little disappointed with the first draft of the new models is that they weren't up to the excellent standard of their normal miniatures.

As I think I said in the Dreadball thread that is partly my fault. I'm so used to seeing the finished resin boutique models that the WiP for plastic are inevitably going to look a little lower in quality. That said, I find Jada's face poorly done. Well executed 'homely' is not an issue.

I am also concerned that we may end up with something that used to plague GW and PP - different sculptors producing slightly different figures e.g. different scale, some sculptors being better* than others.


*And by better I mean suiting my preference for sharp, clear detail and realistic posing which may not be everyone's bag.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
In the interest of being technically correct (the best kind of correct!), the various thread locking, topic clamp-down-ing (well, that's not a word...) were the McVeys (Ali, Mike and that damned Paco...). So... actually it was the people making the game.

*holds up hands*

Fair enough. I did not know.


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 scipio.au wrote:
Not that I'm a fan of that sort of thing, but a couple of locked and purged threads doesn't quite equal "increasingly GW like." I'd suggest that your comment is actually the greatest exaggeration in the history of modern civilisation.

No kidding. They close a few threads and suddenly they're GW.

Keeeeeyyyy-righst people. Get a grip.

 scipio.au wrote:

Not that I'm a fan of that sort of thing, but a couple of locked and purged threads doesn't quite equal "increasingly GW like." I'd suggest that your comment is actually the greatest exaggeration in the history of modern civilisation.

(see what I did there?)

Yes, yes we did...

It wasn't closed because people were critiquing the sculpt. It was mainly due to the fact people were insulting other people's opinions. It is a free mini as well (unless you buy more).Some people are unhappy as it doesn't match the concept due seemingly based around the template for designing catwalk fashion. Long limbs and all that. There has to be a balance between understanding a concept and the actual physical product. Now I'm happy with the way all the sculpts have turned out so far. I'm not bothered by Hexen(?) but then didn't pick it due to not knowing who she was based on and the static concept art. I hope that they stray from some of the Concept poses as the Ramirez one is really boring.

I pledged solely for the not-Serenity models and the high quality sculpts SMV is known for. I am really not a fan of that head.

If the previews turn out to be less than my expectations can I withdraw my pledge?

Was that model not sculpted by McVey himself / are they bringing others sculptors in on the projects? Or did he in fact do it...?

Also, can someone link / spoiler tag / etc a pic of said model, as I'm losing track of which one we're talking about

I second the request for a pic... I have no idea what model apparently has a badly shaped head!

Is it this one?



Looks perfectly fine to me! I think it looks a little 'off' because it hasn't been painted yet, which specifically affects the eye area. When she has white eyes with big pupils it will offset the slightly eerie look of grey-orb eyes she has at the moment, which I think unbalances how it looks right now.

Otherwise looks to me like a beautifully sculpted little model.

Looks fine to me, will probably paint her Afro-caribean as barring the nose that's the vibe I get from the sculpt

I have no issues with that sculpt.

Most of the time, people are crying about T and A, and bulletproof bra's. That one is excellent, she's got good lines, the poise is good and the balence is there between functional, and good looking figure.

Any shots of her with the head in the battlesuit? That one is the one I'm interested in seeing.

We've not been shown the head for the THI yet

(hopefully the dispute won't stop them showing the sculpts as they are done)

 Grot 6 wrote:
Most of the time, people are crying about T and A, and bulletproof bra's. That one is excellent, she's got good lines, the poise is good and the balence is there between functional, and good looking figure.

Everything except the head is good. I also think the wrench is oversized, but that's not that big a deal to me.
I just really don't care for it.

rigeld2 wrote:

Everything except the head is good. I also think the wrench is oversized, but that's not that big a deal to me.

Or maybe that wrench isn't oversized?!?

On more happier notes, a new LE Sedition Wars model has been released:

"OF-1 Nikiita Perostek is one of the Vanguard's finest young pilots, but she finds herself in a tight spot with some orbital station Firebrand insurgents, requiring all the skill and tactics she learned in the academy to shake them off."



Looks fantastics. Not sure of the scale. Base is 50mm to give some idea. Looks nice though - first Vanguard vehicle seen!

That looks fantastic!

I'm really looking forward to a full tabletop wargame ruleset for the Sedition Wars galaxy...

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

Do keep us updated on the flyer. If that is in scale with the rest of the game, I'd be picking one up for sure. Does kind of confuse me though, if they are sculpting brand new stuff, is the KS stuff (including the extras) done?

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Do keep us updated on the flyer. If that is in scale with the rest of the game, I'd be picking one up for sure. Does kind of confuse me though, if they are sculpting brand new stuff, is the KS stuff (including the extras) done?

I would guess that the Limited Edition resins are sculpted by different groups of artists: that looks in keeping with the rest of the resins, so probably the same guy (Harribo?). That sculptor isn't doing much, if any, work on Sedition Wars. I believe he did the two previously previewed SW LE minis (the first two, the doctor and not-Sigorney Weaver).

Previously the LE stuff has been between 32-35mm in height. Only marginally bigger.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
. I believe he did the two previously previewed SW LE minis (the first two, the doctor and not-Sigorney Weaver).

Sharro is also confirmed as a SW character from the bounty hunters faction. She's 32mm in height and is quite close in scale.

Oh, and ordered! Too good to pass! I mean, just look at it:

One thread closed = Studio McVey is GW

One miniature which isn't a carbon copy of the concept sketch = I wish I never pledged that Kickstarter/Studio McVey is off my Christmas card list.

Feth me you lot make me laugh sometimes. Seriozz bidnezz indeed.

Is there a time frame/plan to make Sedition Wars a 'real' tabletop wargame?

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there a time frame/plan to make Sedition Wars a 'real' tabletop wargame?

I seem to remember reading that their current plan is for the main board game and then a firebrand v bounty hunters expansion for Q1/2 next year. A second expansion for the alien race that created the strain to follow. If those all sell well, then they may produce a skirmish game (my emphasis). Mostly plucked from my memory - reliability usually alright, but occasionally fuzzy!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


No kidding. They close a few threads and suddenly they're GW.

Keeeeeyyyy-righst people. Get a grip.

Are we generating a Godwin corollary here?


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Nice, ridable drones. Updated Dr. Strangelove FTW!

Tim

 zedmeister wrote:


Oh, and ordered! Too good to pass! I mean, just look at it:

 zedmeister wrote:
Previously the LE stuff has been between 32-35mm in height. Only marginally bigger.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
. I believe he did the two previously previewed SW LE minis (the first two, the doctor and not-Sigorney Weaver).

Sharro is also confirmed as a SW character from the bounty hunters faction. She's 32mm in height and is quite close in scale.

Oh, and ordered! Too good to pass! I mean, just look at it:

Sorry, I wasn't sufficiently specific there: the same guy (Hennebo, not Harribo it turns out...) does most of the general release limited resins (the Beauty and Robot, the crazy plant elves, yadda, yadda), that guy also did Hexen and Ripley, which are limited to the Kickstarter. Sorry, I didn't mean limited as in the limited resins.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there a time frame/plan to make Sedition Wars a 'real' tabletop wargame?

I seem to remember reading that their current plan is for the main board game and then a firebrand v bounty hunters expansion for Q1/2 next year. A second expansion for the alien race that created the strain to follow. If those all sell well, then they may produce a skirmish game (my emphasis). Mostly plucked from my memory - reliability usually alright, but occasionally fuzzy!

Sounds about right - thanks for the memory jog!

So is this jet the SW scale (28mm?) or the larger(32mm)? I know its close, but its just enough to bug me.

You know what I find ironic, the typical loudmouth Dakka-forum dwellers who start whining about people stating anything, whether it is positive, negative etc...

Newsflash, we are all entitled to our opinions. If we could deny people an opinion, some of you would be on the top of my list, fortunately for you, I respect that right.

Do the same boys.


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rigeld2 wrote:
I pledged solely for the not-Serenity models and the high quality sculpts SMV is known for. I am really not a fan of that head.

If the previews turn out to be less than my expectations can I withdraw my pledge?

Nope, you are fethed if the concept art does not match expectations, so far, it has not.

If you check out: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/comments

Looks like the first few dozen comments primarily consist of complaints regarding the new sculpt. Can you imagine if the Firefly crew is messed up like this? Firefly fanbois and fangirls are insane.