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 keltikhoa wrote:

360 orks would be damned impressive. Would be even funnier when you tell your opponent "these guys are starting in reserve as i cannot place another model in my deployment zone"

ya it would, But I think it should be worded.

"Ok, thats 210 boys on the table, I'll hold the last 150 in reserves as I can't place them yet"

Then grin at your opponent as it sinks in

At 2k you can have 1 big mek and 327 boys, maxed.

except you have to have 2 HQ's, as you are using 2 Primary Detachments

-7 Boyz for another big mek then.

someone needs to run a list like that sometime. If I had extra bases, or extra dudes, I'd totally do it.

You guys do know that IG can, and sometimes do, fill an entire deployment zone per shooting phase with templates, without specificly gearing up against this, right?

Heck, this might even let their master of ordnance hit something...

//Calle

Guard can have 6 manticores at double foc, 990 points, GL all

Meh, I think running 90 Lootas is the cheesiest thing you can do with double FO Orks.

2 KFF Big Meks - 170
90 Lootas - 1350
2 Deff Dreads /w 4 CCWs - 210
2 Shoota Boyz Mob - 29 Boys + Nob /w PK Bosspole - 440
2170

Have fun on the turn you get 270 Deffgun shots.

Heck, with that many Lootas, don't even bother using them as a Heavy Weapons team. Just march them up the board like really, really dangerous Shootaboyz, and Snapfire away. Then Assault! They're still Boyz, after all.

IIRC Deffguns are Heavy.

Not sure you can assault with a heavy weappon after firing it (barring adding someone with relentless to the unit) but i'd be delighted to be wrong

Actually, adding someone Relentless could be awesome. Just pop 4 double-PowerKlaw Meks in the army. (or maybe just some Warbosses) Would want to seperate them though, before being assaulted- so you can Snapfire. Or when you're tryign to hit aircraft.

 Ascalam wrote:
IIRC Deffguns are Heavy.

Not sure you can assault with a heavy weappon after firing it (barring adding someone with relentless to the unit) but i'd be delighted to be wrong

You're correct. You can only assault after firing Heavy weapons if the unit has Relentless.

Then again, you'll rarely want to throw your Lootas into combat.

 Amaya wrote:
Meh, I think running 90 Lootas is the cheesiest thing you can do with double FO Orks.

2 KFF Big Meks - 170
90 Lootas - 1350
2 Deff Dreads /w 4 CCWs - 210
2 Shoota Boyz Mob - 29 Boys + Nob /w PK Bosspole - 440
2170

Have fun on the turn you get 270 Deffgun shots.

They would be forever known as "Da Deff Klan" and their battle cry is "WOT?!?!?!?!?!"

Dat'z why, if GW were ever to create Loota Nobz with bigger gunz, the bigger guns would need to be called "WOT!?!gunz". Because anytime anyone asks "Oi, whutchu call dat snazzy Dakka?" the answer will be "WOT?!"

 KingCracker wrote:

They would be forever known as "Da Deff Klan" and their battle cry is "WOT?!?!?!?!?!"

I loled

Rofl, loota nobz and burna nobz need to be in the next codex ;p

I've actually converted a loota nob with a pair of Imperial heavy bolters and a Terminator power fist. Right now I just use him as a regular loota, I can't wait until I can actually use him as a seperate unit type. Twin-linked deffguns, anyone?

Nah, it'll be Spinny Dakka:
S7 AP3 Assault 2

I'd like just saying to the opponent, "right roll to hit for spinny dakka", that'd be great

Another fun abuse of the stupid double force org.

4 Warbosses PK, Bosspole, Cybork Body - 95 each 380 total
Elites
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205

Troops
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205
5 Nobs in Battlewagon /w Deffrolla 205




Heavy Support
Deffrolla Battlewagon 105
Deffrolla Battlewagon 105
Deffrolla Battlewagon 105
Deffrolla Battlewagon 105
Deffrolla Battlewagon 105
Deffrolla Battlewagon 105

13 Battlewagons /w Deffrollas at under 2500 points.

Not to mention the 35 Nobz. And you could fit even more Battlewagons in there- double FoC means you can have 6 Elites.

You all have to keep in mind that all those spammy lists (including the six manticores) open up huge weaknesses as opposed to a well-rounded list. If your opponent can exploit that weakness, you're done for.

For example, those 6 manticores, while scary still result into 50% of your opponent's points being sunk into AV12/10/10 vehicles. If wants a half-decent bubble-wrap around that, as well as three of those awesome vendettas, that's about all he is going to field. If he skips the bubblewrap, feel free to tear apart his rocket-tanks with bikers, trukks or other fast elements. It's not like he is going to attempt to shoot you with S10 blasts when you're right in front of his vehicles. AP4 on those missiles also means that they aren't even guaranteed to destroy a measly trukk with a direct hit (33%), let allone a battlewagon.

Barrage weapon also means that you simply deploy your lootaz on the bottom floor of a ruin. If the hole of the blast hits the top floor, your lootaz will remain unscathed, if your opponent manages to get hit them anyways, dive for 3+ cover. Simply deploying in area terrain will net similar results. Oh, and fun fact: If you survive until turn 5, your opponent has 990 points of artillery doing nothing but shooting heavy bolters.

It's realls the same for most spam lists. Battlewagon are not landraiders. That battlewagon list will fold to any army being capable of bringing more bodies than you are, which includes about any marine foot army. Any regular ork list should be able to tear you a new one.

For a start a rolla wagon is 110 base, not 105. Aside from that, there's no support or even weapons apart from the WB's PKs.

I'd be more tempted by something like this:

WB - MA, CB, BP
WB - MA, CB, BP

Meganobs x 5
Wagon 4 BS, RPJ, Rigger, Ram
Meganobs x 5
Wagon 4 BS, RPJ, Rigger, Ram
Meganobs x 5
Wagon 2 BS, RPJ, Rigger, Ram
Meganobs x 5
Wagon 2 BS, RPJ, Rigger, Ram

Lootas x 10
Lootas x 10
Wagon 4 BS, Rigger, Ram
Wagon 4 BS, Rigger, Ram

Dakkajet, super shoota, fighta ace
Dakkajet, super shoota, fighta ace
Dakkajet, super shoota, fighta ace

Of course if we want to abuse FoC, then you can always try 90 lootas, two big meks and 120 boys.

Or 10 MANz missiles and scatter them all over the place

 virx67 wrote:
When in doubt: Shoot the assualty things, and assualt the shooty things.

That's a nice orky strategy !!!!

It's actually "Shoot da choppy gits, chop da shooty gits"

An' if neiva uv doze wurk, den WAAAAGH!!

You're all wrong, the only thing resonating through an orks mind in the battle is "squish dat, krump dem". It's like music on a loop, with the occasional waagh signalling to turn the volume up.

WB - PK, BP, CB - 95
WB - PK, BP, CB - 95
WB - PK, BP, CB - 95
WB - PK, BP, CB - 95

3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ, Ram - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ - 165
3 Meganobs - Trukk - RPJ - 165

2500 on the nose.

Then all you need is 39 or so Meganobz, and a fleet of trukks..

Could be a fun list to try out though..

That list will be thankful that tau no longer get target locks