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 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Tsilber wrote:


FNP from Tzeench is rare and even if the unit does get it. its on a 6+. Have at it. .

Yeah, excepte that this is stacking...

Turn 1-2 shoot a unit of Marines, they pass their test gets FnP 6+, shoot with another unit on them, they pass it a second time, oh look, because we allready had FnP, we get +1 on the roll!, do this several times, Oh look!!! a FNP2+ Marine squad.....

Not exactly. They only roll once per phase for Warpflame. So even if 3 units cast tzeentch powers at one unit in a shooting phase, they only take 1 Warpflame test. Best thing to do is just focus on the squad with multiple units and wipe it out.

labmouse42 wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
I will need some heavy convincing( or money) to play this has a full fledged army, and even has allies i'm not sure.

And here i though Zerkers where worse, but man, this is just taking it to a whole new level...

Sorry to hear that. I'll be happy to take your daemons off your hands for 20% retail plus shipping.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Turn 1-2 shoot a unit of Marines, they pass their test gets FnP 6+, shoot with another unit on them, they pass it a second time, oh look, because we allready had FnP, we get +1 on the roll!, do this several times, Oh look!!! a FNP2+ Marine squad....

On a more serious note, you need to focus fire. 20 horrors plus herald will kill ~4.6 MEQ. Focus two horror squads onto one MEQ squad and you can put them out of your mind. It takes multiple turns to get a higher FNP, so just focus fire.

Personnaly i rather burn them, recollect the plastic and mold new modeles with it.

And even so, i play exclusifly Khorne, i play fluff and themed armies always been Khorne for the last 15yrs, so i won't switch back to Horrors, so you want to ask, why even get angry over this, because, the fact that i don't play them, doesn't mean that i do not care for the book as a whole.

airmang wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Tsilber wrote:


FNP from Tzeench is rare and even if the unit does get it. its on a 6+. Have at it. .

Yeah, excepte that this is stacking...

Turn 1-2 shoot a unit of Marines, they pass their test gets FnP 6+, shoot with another unit on them, they pass it a second time, oh look, because we allready had FnP, we get +1 on the roll!, do this several times, Oh look!!! a FNP2+ Marine squad.....

Not exactly. They only roll once per phase for Warpflame. So even if 3 units cast tzeentch powers at one unit in a shooting phase, they only take 1 Warpflame test. Best thing to do is just focus on the squad with multiple units and wipe it out.

Well, for once, they where less stupid that i would have though, but even so, when i read the full rule for this, the little line at the bottom" Chais can be fickle" nearly made me outburst in rage and tear the book in 2, fickle okay..., so now they decide to bring fluff in rules, but still Letters are A1 and Crushers armor6...

From what I've seen, the thing that appeals most about the codex is the Warp Storm table actually making the first serious attempt by GW to discourage MSUs. The table essentially has a 50% chance of generating a BS1 artillery attack for every enemy squad on the field.

RogueRegault wrote:
From what I've seen, the thing that appeals most about the codex is the Warp Storm table actually making the first serious attempt by GW to discourage MSUs.

Yeah I really don't think they think about that sort've thing when they design rules like that.

They're all about "forging a narrative" and "making games more randomcinematic!".

I honestly think that if you asked them what they thought of MSU's you'd get a litany of "Huh?" and "What are those?".

yeah.

RogueRegault wrote:
From what I've seen, the thing that appeals most about the codex is the Warp Storm table actually making the first serious attempt by GW to discourage MSUs.

The chance of playing Kill point missions??

Panic...

is a mandatory champion required for units now?
But yeah, as a word bearer player the sounds of a cheap daemons are definatly going be able to pull off a meatsheild daemons. Now i just need the book to figure out what im going to do.

 Panic wrote:
yeah.

RogueRegault wrote:
From what I've seen, the thing that appeals most about the codex is the Warp Storm table actually making the first serious attempt by GW to discourage MSUs.

The chance of playing Kill point missions??

Panic...

Not sure I follow. I think they were referring to the fact that if you play against a Daemon player with a MSU build you are far more likely to take damage from warpstorm due to having to roll more attempts.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Anyone read the Fantasy book yet? How big is the nerf for Daemons there?

From the few rumors thus far, it looks like a giant clusterfeth.

We have some horribly undercosted new options that will be sure of turning up in every single tourny list and becoming the new "most hated" things in the game. (LoC w/Wand of Whimsy & 2-3x Skullcannons)
And other options are simply nerfed into the ground so bad they're all but unplayable. (Bloodcrushers for some reason, got nerfed?! Welcome to the game's worst MC!)

It's going to be a power book still, likely as strong as or slightly above Ogres. But there isn't much wiggle room for variation in power builds.

Overall I'm pretty sure we'll be maintaining the trend of "Daemons ruined Fantasy" for at least another edition!

Experiment 626 wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Anyone read the Fantasy book yet? How big is the nerf for Daemons there?

From the few rumors thus far, it looks like a giant clusterfeth.

We have some horribly undercosted new options that will be sure of turning up in every single tourny list and becoming the new "most hated" things in the game. (LoC w/Wand of Whimsy & 2-3x Skullcannons)
And other options are simply nerfed into the ground so bad they're all but unplayable. (Bloodcrushers for some reason, got nerfed?! Welcome to the game's worst MC!)

It's going to be a power book still, likely as strong as or slightly above Ogres. But there isn't much wiggle room for variation in power builds.

Overall I'm pretty sure we'll be maintaining the trend of "Daemons ruined Fantasy" for at least another edition!

Odd that we have so much info for 40K daemons but I've only seen a few scans from fantasy. Really odd considering how powerful they are there, so you'd think people would want to know more.

iTunes codex now available for download

Yet another reason to own an iPad. Mine is downloading now.

Cyvash wrote:
is a mandatory champion required for units now?
But yeah, as a word bearer player the sounds of a cheap daemons are definatly going be able to pull off a meatsheild daemons. Now i just need the book to figure out what im going to do.

Champions aren't required and they dont even boost LD.

clively wrote:
Yet another reason to own an iPad. Mine is downloading now.

Me too, huge file.


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 Panic wrote:
The chance of playing Kill point missions??

Panic...

You'd think we were still playing 5E because kill points show up in every 3 round tournament I've played in 6E even though it's only 1 of 6 in the BRB

Since the codex is now officially out, time to lock the thread?

How is Khorne looking in the new book?

Download failed at 90%+ What a piece of crap. Now its downloading super slow...

Looks like something is awry with the iPad versions. Can't download and a message appears saying the item is no longer available.

 cincydooley wrote:
How is Khorne looking in the new book?

People who'd heard early rumors were whining that they were underpowered, but the Dutch guy on 4chan who had an early copy played Khorne as his second playthrough with the codex and tabled a Grey Knights list by the second turn.

Granted it wasn't a WAAC Grey Knights list, but it was still a strong performance.


The best things about Khorne seem to be the ease with which heralds can be made into challenge assassins, the icons that turn assaults into 6+d6", and cheap powerweapons.


People are complaining about Bloodcrushers losing toughness, but their added speed makes them easy to run up the board and deepstrike troops next to an objective. (This goes for most FA in the codex as well.)

Also, skullcannon will probably be a must-take in most armies since it basically acts as offensive grenades for whichever units assault their target.

Cinematic download!

 airmang wrote:
Looks like something is awry with the iPad versions. Can't download and a message appears saying the item is no longer available.

My re-download is still going, albeit super slow (estimates 1.5 hours left)

RogueRegault wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
How is Khorne looking in the new book?

People who'd heard early rumors were whining that they were underpowered, but the Dutch guy on 4chan who had an early copy played Khorne as his second playthrough with the codex and tabled a Grey Knights list by the second turn.

Granted it wasn't a WAAC Grey Knights list, but it was still a strong performance.


The best things about Khorne seem to be the ease with which heralds can be made into challenge assassins, the icons that turn assaults into 6+d6", and cheap powerweapons.


People are complaining about Bloodcrushers losing toughness, but their added speed makes them easy to run up the board and deepstrike troops next to an objective. (This goes for most FA in the codex as well.)

Also, skullcannon will probably be a must-take in most armies since it basically acts as offensive grenades for whichever units assault their target.

Khorne lists have always done well against GK (well, better than other mono-god lists) due to the 2++ save against force weapons and in this new codex, 2+ deny the witch which make Dark Excommunication almost a non-issue. I'd like to see how new Daemons codex doee against GK lists specifically tailored to beat them, since most WAAC GK lists don't include Strike Squads, Dreadknights, or libbys with Dark Excommunication, the three units which mess up Daemons the most...

Damn you GW, now my 2nd download froze and I can't restart it....

I don't think that Games Workshop has anything to do with your network connection, duder.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I don't think that Games Workshop has anything to do with your network connection, duder.

You'd think with 2500 posts you'd learn to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about... But then this is dakka and you obviously feel the need to comment for the sake of hearing yourself comment. And I know GW has nothing to do with Apple's app store connectivity issues. Since I'm not the only one having them (as evidenced in messages above) and I've been watching my network traffic, pretty sure it's not my network connection, duder.

punchdub wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I don't think that Games Workshop has anything to do with your network connection, duder.

You'd think with 2500 posts you'd learn to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about... But then this is dakka and you obviously feel the need to comment for the sake of hearing yourself comment. And I know GW has nothing to do with Apple's app store connectivity issues. Since I'm not the only one having them (as evidenced in messages above) and I've been watching my network traffic, pretty sure it's not my network connection, duder.

Wow, calm down bro...

You'd think with 2500 posts you'd learn to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about... But then this is dakka and you obviously feel the need to comment for the sake of hearing yourself comment. And I know GW has nothing to do with Apple's app store connectivity issues. Since I'm not the only one having them (as evidenced in messages above) and I've been watching my network traffic, pretty sure it's not my network connection, duder.

Damn you GW, now my 2nd download froze and I can't restart it....

Except, you know, you explicitly blamed GW. Unless you actually didn't and just phrased yourself very, very poorly. Either way, it appears your jimmies are quite rustled.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
How is Khorne looking in the new book?

People who'd heard early rumors were whining that they were underpowered, but the Dutch guy on 4chan who had an early copy played Khorne as his second playthrough with the codex and tabled a Grey Knights list by the second turn.

Granted it wasn't a WAAC Grey Knights list, but it was still a strong performance.


The best things about Khorne seem to be the ease with which heralds can be made into challenge assassins, the icons that turn assaults into 6+d6", and cheap powerweapons.


People are complaining about Bloodcrushers losing toughness, but their added speed makes them easy to run up the board and deepstrike troops next to an objective. (This goes for most FA in the codex as well.)

Also, skullcannon will probably be a must-take in most armies since it basically acts as offensive grenades for whichever units assault their target.

Khorne lists have always done well against GK (well, better than other mono-god lists) due to the 2++ save against force weapons and in this new codex, 2+ deny the witch which make Dark Excommunication almost a non-issue. I'd like to see how new Daemons codex doee against GK lists specifically tailored to beat them, since most WAAC GK lists don't include Strike Squads, Dreadknights, or libbys with Dark Excommunication, the three units which mess up Daemons the most...

I seem to remember one of the bits in the battle report was the Bloodthirster getting grounded by massed fire without taking a wound, and then killing the Dreadknight that charged it in melee.

To clarify, the GK army was Coteaz and an OXI as HQs, and mostly inq henchmen focused with some elite GK support. The GK's player lost because he couldn't pass his reserves roll for his stormraven carrying assault troops before the khorne player tore apart the rest of the army.

 RatBot wrote:

You'd think with 2500 posts you'd learn to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about... But then this is dakka and you obviously feel the need to comment for the sake of hearing yourself comment. And I know GW has nothing to do with Apple's app store connectivity issues. Since I'm not the only one having them (as evidenced in messages above) and I've been watching my network traffic, pretty sure it's not my network connection, duder.

Damn you GW, now my 2nd download froze and I can't restart it....

Except, you know, you explicitly blamed GW. Unless you actually didn't and just phrased yourself very, very poorly. Either way, it appears your jimmies are quite rustled.

Except I didn't, you know... I cursed them. I didn't blame anyone if you want to have at the semantics of my post. Without regard to the download issue, I think GW is very worthy of a curse now and again.


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And with that, good night all.

punchdub wrote:

 RatBot wrote:

You'd think with 2500 posts you'd learn to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about... But then this is dakka and you obviously feel the need to comment for the sake of hearing yourself comment. And I know GW has nothing to do with Apple's app store connectivity issues. Since I'm not the only one having them (as evidenced in messages above) and I've been watching my network traffic, pretty sure it's not my network connection, duder.

Damn you GW, now my 2nd download froze and I can't restart it....

Except, you know, you explicitly blamed GW. Unless you actually didn't and just phrased yourself very, very poorly. Either way, it appears your jimmies are quite rustled.

Except I didn't, you know... I cursed them. I didn't blame anyone if you want to have at the semantics of my post. Without regard to the download issue, I think GW is very worthy of a curse now and again.


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And with that, good night all.

Yikes dude. Go get some sleep. Maybe you've got a bit too much Khorne in you tonight.

punchdub wrote:
Without regard to the download issue, I think GW is very worthy of a curse now and again.

Anyone who argues that point is not going to get invited to my birthday party.