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So autogun toting cultists cost the same as guard line infantry?

That key thingy can be pretty good potentially...kill a single enemy in melee and your units do not scatter anymore when deepstriking?

Sounds awesome.

Thinking about getting a solid Chaos psyker, a minimum sized unit of cultists (as you are forced to take 1 troops choice) and a squad of havocs to kick some AA ass. 4 flakk rockets per turn? That's like 1 dead flyer. Awesome.

 Sigvatr wrote:
That key thingy can be pretty good potentially...kill a single enemy in melee and your units do not scatter anymore when deepstriking?

Sounds awesome.

Good luck reaching melee in time for a teleport homer to still be relevant

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
That key thingy can be pretty good potentially...kill a single enemy in melee and your units do not scatter anymore when deepstriking?

Sounds awesome.

Good luck reaching melee in time for a teleport homer to still be relevant

Well, it's better than a normal homer given that it affects everything anywhere...land wherever you want, no scatter. It certainly can be useful. Won a few games by last-turn dropping some deep striking troops in order to capture / contest an objective.

 mauzer wrote:
no they didn't get nerfed because now you can take mark of nurgle and pop them up to t5

I was thinking the loss of Fearless really sucks with Ld 8. T5 doesn't help much if they running off the board. Mind you, single Obliterators are that much better now.

Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

Why would i take a lightning claw and a comb-plasma? I thought you needed a pair to confer shred, and a Powersword is AP3 just like a Lightning claw is AP3?

whoadirty wrote:

 mauzer wrote:
no they didn't get nerfed because now you can take mark of nurgle and pop them up to t5

I was thinking the loss of Fearless really sucks with Ld 8. T5 doesn't help much if they running off the board. Mind you, single Obliterators are that much better now.

Take one, then he's effectively fearless.

decoste007xt wrote:
Why would i take a lightning claw and a comb-plasma? I thought you needed a pair to confer shred, and a Powersword is AP3 just like a Lightning claw is AP3?

You only need two to get the extra attack, shred is the rule of the weapon.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

Says you can upgrade one of the options from the following three list so I guess no.

Thanks for the info guys
Been sat here with 3 helbrutes and didnt want to start converting until i knew weapon options

So they are a new dread with a more tame temper issue.
And pretty much same upgrades?
Works for me.

Thanks again guys for all the info

Also as an aside the fluff is still stuck in neutral if that was a question anyone had about that. Were about ready to fight the 13th crusade!

 lazarian wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

Says you can upgrade one of the options from the following three list so I guess no.

Blackfang is right, you have to choose to replace the ranged or the CC weapon.

About fluff: Maybe we should make a new thread for it.

Dark Apostle plus Deathleaper is a bad time for any chaos player.

Im disappointed by lack of hellbrute marks

 lazarian wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

Says you can upgrade one of the options from the following three list so I guess no.

W... T... F...

So out of 20 terminators I have 4 that are legal now... yay.

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lazarian wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

Says you can upgrade one of the options from the following three list so I guess no.

W... T... F...

So out of 20 terminators I have 4 that are legal now... yay.

The heavy is another separate option so you can do chainfist/heavy but yeah this nugget changes the unit composition by a fair margin.

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lazarian wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

Says you can upgrade one of the options from the following three list so I guess no.

W... T... F...

So out of 20 terminators I have 4 that are legal now... yay.

I understand, but what did the termies have on them??

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lazarian wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nerf list, contd: A terminator may only upgrade his melee or ranged weapon, not both. You want lighting claw? No combi-plasma for you!

So no Combi-Melta and Chainfist together?

Says you can upgrade one of the options from the following three list so I guess no.

W... T... F...

So out of 20 terminators I have 4 that are legal now... yay.

I'll take those pesky illegal ones off your hands, free of charge

Yep, arm swaps are a pretty standard part of any new codex.

Is it true you can combine the Dragon, 2 maulers and an oblit kit to make a Chaos Megazord?

Hetelic wrote:
Is it true you can combine the Dragon, 2 maulers and an oblit kit to make a Chaos Megazord?

.....Really?

Maybe I'm late to the show, but is there any news on:
Cypher (back or not)?
Huron (changes)?


Thanks!

Do two power scourges on a hellbrute reduce attacks on all models by 2? Is this to a minimum of 1? How do Hellbrutes work if they have one hammer/pfist and one scourge?

Arm swaps and something becoming strictly worse are two separate issues. Not only can they not take th/ ss, they can't even keep the one smaaaaaallllll advantage they did have.

ThatEdGuy wrote:
Do two power scourges on a hellbrute reduce attacks on all models by 2? Is this to a minimum of 1? How do Hellbrutes work if they have one hammer/pfist and one scourge?

The Scourge only deducts WS, not attacks. It does not mention what happens when you have two however its worded strongly the effect only happens once (-1d3 not -2d3).

Hetelic wrote:
Is it true you can combine the Dragon, 2 maulers and an oblit kit to make a Chaos Megazord?

Well played. The dragon looks terrible, terrible, terrible. One of the most ugly minis GW has ever released in the current gen.

Hetelic wrote:
Is it true you can combine the Dragon, 2 maulers and an oblit kit to make a Chaos Megazord?

No, no, no! You've got it all wrong!

1 drake forms the body and head
1 mauler splits for the arms
2 maulers for each leg

1 additional drake for upgrading to (IIRC) the Chaos Daemonzord
nothing about obliterators, though the modeling section suggests you use them to test paint schemes, with one squad in each legion.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Maybe I'm late to the show, but is there any news on:
Cypher (back or not)?
Huron (changes)?


Thanks!

Huron I am not familiar enough with to tell you differences, No Cypher though.