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I do like this codex because playing 20 khorne bezerkers and twenty thousand sons has just gotten stale to me.I think GW did a good job at making every game you play with them a completely unique experience. I'd also like to mention that if you think the chaos boon table hinders any model, you shouldn't play chaos. They are supposed to be the epidemy of self glorification. Their job is to give in to darl abilities and that doesn't come without consequences. Not to mention the consquences are far between anyway... How many units do you intend on killing characters in a five turn game with the same champion??? Lets be real here. The only issue I see with the codex is really just a mistake on GWs client base needs is they sought to make oblits more playable where as I just want to field one army without needing them or their useless counterparts. Don't get me wrong oblits are beyond fantastic, but thats just something I was hoping to find an abswer to in this new codex. A breath of fresh air in unit composition. Maybe a return to strong terminators was the answer they missed on. Maybe not.

All and all this codex attempts to give you variation not through build composition but fun fluff abilities that haven't drastically diminished the power of the units you already have composed thrpugh years of playing.

This is the first time I've seen a codex were I didn't have to go out and drop an additional 8mil to be competitive again on our local circuit, which completely goes against GW history of outdating gak for profit.

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I do not like this codex.
Seeing T6 chaos spawn hugging cover scares me

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I do not like this codex.
Seeing T6 chaos spawn hugging cover scares me


And makes my heart smile

I will take 9 please... or maybe just 6 and 10 T6 bikers

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GW made a huge hype but did not deliver.

But the guy in my local game store was right about one thing when he convinced me to buy the codex.
"The hardback will look good on your bookshelf"


Edit: Spelling...

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I like the codex. The thing I like most about the codex is it's a sign of things to come. Ever since warhammer fantasy battle went into 8th edition their books went hardback the codex creep stopped and the new books have been competitive but not overpowering the previous books. The stopping of the codex creep went over well with the WHFB community, so they seem to be doing the same with 40k.

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Forcemajeure wrote:
GW made a huge hype but did not deliver.

But the guy in my local game store was right about one thing when he convinced me to buy the codex.
"The hardback will look good on your bookshelf"


Edit: Spelling...


What hype? We are the ones trying to squeeze every ounce out of hearsay and rumors. The book is solid with new models, what more are you wanting aside from the aforementioned wishlisting every Chaos player wanted. The book does look nice, and if you impulse bought it without an army to go with it that is where it will stay unless you need reference. If you have a Chaos army then you got the current rules for said army.
   
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We get it lazarian - you like the book. Can you please let others not like it. Is that difficult?


And I like the new Codex, but even I acknowledge that it's left Alpha Legion and Night Lords players completely out in the cold. There are no Legion rules, but you can pretty much fake anything from the four main Legions and from Iron Warriors and Word Bearers, but not AL or NL.

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I like the new book.

Every legion is playable, but not necessarily good. It just takes imagination to use other units in the dex as counts as. The use of Huron as an Alpha Legion Warlord is a fine example.

It just seems that some players wanted an easy way out with cut and paste rules for each legion. Hell, I want a Night Lords army to all have fear and night vision, but I can't. Best thing to do? Pay the 1 point that night vision is worth per model, pay for the banner that gives them fear and ask your opponents permission if you can use them.

See... not op, fluffy and not difficult to arrange.

Dakka should have a topic stating some recommended ways to use your legion in the new dex. I would welcome it, if it stopped a lot of the moaning from some players.

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Overall I think the book is good. It gave me the customizability I was wanting, perhaps too much so.

But I kinda feel that I now have to break the org chart at 2kpts just to get my figures on the board.

I think if they are planning on bringing out units in WD that they can add in, some legion specific HQs from the ignored legions, allowing specific rules, would be the way to go. Alphas, Iron Warriors and Night Lords, could all get a flavourful HQ, and then let the rest of the army be fine.

Do miss Infiltrate, but since Outflank got nerfed I don't care as much.

Only think that I would have liked, would have been the option to use more than the 1 HQ, like the Space Wolves get. But maybe that's what Allies are for now.

There's definitelly some fail in there, but overall I gave it a like. (And thanks for pointing out that yes, Abbadon, etc can get spawnified... seriously... wtf?)
   
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What I love?
Bikers are cheaper, havocs are cheaper, predators are cheaper and the maulerfiend looks like it could be scary if you have enough other big vehicles to distract your enemy long enough (which I wont personally).

What I don't love?
Defiler being almost 200 points for doing exactly what it did before. NO WAY is this justified unless to sell the fiend kits, right?
Possessed having cooler rules now, but still too expensive to be worth the effort.
   
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Dakka should have a topic stating some recommended ways to use your legion in the new dex. I would welcome it, if it stopped a lot of the moaning from some players.

what do you mean by legions , before you hit 2k pts you cant even build 2 different lists for the undivided ones . unless you a playing a LR rush or a mauler rush and those have an auto lose against flyer builds .


The book is solid with new models, what more are you wanting aside from the aforementioned wishlisting every Chaos player wanted. The book does look nice, and if you impulse bought it without an army to go with it that is where it will stay unless you need reference. If you have a Chaos army then you got the current rules for said army.

and yet to build a good list you have to use old models . when new IG came out valks were awesome . when new necron came out first the farm was awesome and then one 6th started scyths were great. With csm you want , 3 units of troops , 2xhavocks an aegis, 2 HQs , probably some bikers with meltaguns and that is it . everything else , which includes all the new stuff , is for 2k points or larger games . ah and you need the double FoC because 1999+1 wont work . that kind of sucks for chaos players . I am happy because the dex is worse then my IG or necron and will be worse then all the dex coming in the future , but kind I do feel bad for all those chaos players who went through 5th ed with their old dex.
   
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I'm curious to see your full impression of the new Codex. Are you going to do a review of this one? I'd be keen to read it. What specific things do you think have improved most? To me it seems a lot like 4th, but with some clear improvements and some clear steps backward. It's a case of 'so near and yet so far'. But maybe you can help me see more of the upsides.
   
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Things I like :
Daemon Prince is hard to hit in close combat/shooting. I'm ok with his price hike.

Almost everything can be marked.

Typhus is a monster. I also love his Zombie troops.

t4 Cultists (I play slaanesh, but using nurge marks for counts as) represent lost and the damned again.

Allies with IG/Daemons fix holes in codex, allow cult specific armies again.

Interesting Daemon Weapons, but strange choices. Not bad, because they are all still +d6 attacks (and AP2 on a Prince), but missed opportunity to make the codex shine in my opinion.

Nurgle Bikers, Spawn, Cultists, Possessed and just about everything are very strong. Tzeentch also got some phantom buffs in that Oblits can have 4++ saves over their already valuable 2+ (in 6th), 3++ Lord/Sorcerer, 4++ Prince....

Things I don't like :

My baby costs near 200 points and only has a 5++ and the chance to recover hullpoints to show for it. If the Defiler was AV13 front at least, on par with the soulgrinder I could deal.

Daemon Princes don't enable cult units as troops. A Prince has a much "tighter" connection with their respective god than some aspiring Lord. I don't get that choice by GWS.

New Daemon engines look silly. I get what they were going for but I think the transparent attempt to include them in fantasy also made the models suffer for 40k.

Lucius is still the worst special character in the book, and mostly just for the fact he doesn't really represent Slaanesh as well as the other respective characters do to their own gods.

All in all I like the new codex, and I've played Chaos for 4 edtions now. It feels like the infamous 3.5 book, but is noticeably not broken. That's a success for me. Any outstanding problems I have with the book I can hand wave/counts as and I'm all set.

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 Samus666 wrote:
I'm curious to see your full impression of the new Codex. Are you going to do a review of this one? I'd be keen to read it. What specific things do you think have improved most? To me it seems a lot like 4th, but with some clear improvements and some clear steps backward. It's a case of 'so near and yet so far'. But maybe you can help me see more of the upsides.


I do intend to do a full review. As I just got it yesterday and got the first Horus Heresy book from FW today, I might do a double review and compare the two, as the FW book does some very interesting things in how you represent Legions, something I wish the Chaos Codex (and every Codex for that matter) did.
   
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I look forward to reading that. I think I'll have to try and get a look at the Horus Heresy book too.
   
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 Samus666 wrote:
I look forward to reading that. I think I'll have to try and get a look at the Horus Heresy book too.


It's exquisite. It's still £20 too expensive, but it's a fantastically produced book. I've not seen one of higher quality from GW. Ever.
   
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I like the new dex.

The core of the army came down to a more reasonable points cost, basic CSM can be anything from dirt cheap bolter platforms to marked up twin CC, Icon wielding veterans of the Heresy. HQ's got a bunch more toys to play with and made it so every chaos army in the entire world wasn't lead by two Princes.

Now people are saying "No options for Legion X" no, you don't get a specific Legion X character but you can come pretty close. Huron guarantees infiltrate, Slaaneshi Steed lords can drag a unit into an outflank, units can get fear banners, flame banners. It's not your specific Legion no, but neither do Marines get Codex: Obscure Chapter 27, and they have like 5 codicies where frankly they should only have 1 thicker one and give other people a faster than 10 year turnaround on their armies rulesets, but thats a rant for another day.

Importantly it also wasn't a complete balance clusterfudge like some of the previous books (you know who you are) which gives me hope we might actually be heading toward a more balanced ruleset, crazy I know.

Princes and Defilers got probably too pricey in terms of points, hey it's not perfect, but overall I think they did a good job on this one and I'm looking forward to making a few adjustments and getting my new and improved warband on the road again.


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 schadenfreude wrote:
I like the codex. The thing I like most about the codex is it's a sign of things to come. Ever since warhammer fantasy battle went into 8th edition their books went hardback the codex creep stopped and the new books have been competitive but not overpowering the previous books. The stopping of the codex creep went over well with the WHFB community, so they seem to be doing the same with 40k.


I just hope they keep it up. Definitely would like to see the overpowered books redone in a more balanced way instead of just upping the power level of everything else. I guess time will tell on that front.

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But you said it yourself others get entire codex devoted to their chapter, the chaos legions should at least get 1 page each....just one page or hell I settle for a buyable special rule. Anything better than the crap we have, the book only took steps back as the steps it took forward should have been there since the last dex.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We get it lazarian - you like the book. Can you please let others not like it. Is that difficult?


And I like the new Codex, but even I acknowledge that it's left Alpha Legion and Night Lords players completely out in the cold. There are no Legion rules, but you can pretty much fake anything from the four main Legions and from Iron Warriors and Word Bearers, but not AL or NL.


You can fake anything you want if you put your mind to it. How are night lords and alpha legion left out in the cold? With allies and the flexibility of the new book you can make your army look like just about anything at this stage. There were no specific bones thrown to those chapters in ANY other CSM codex version either. The CSM books have always focused on the big four (World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children and Death Guard) and leaving it up to the player to tweak the list of any other chapters. This is the way it has always been. Why is a lack of night lords and alpha legion chapter specific rules such a big problem now? In multiple of these threads numerous people have offered suggestions about how to effectively represent alpha legion on the table. The responses they get are of the "but I don't want to have to use X or Y to make my list, I only want to use the chaos codex exactly to do it." It isn't the fault of the codex if players can't think outside the box to realize the dream of the army they have. It can be done, if you take full advantage of the codex rules, tweak some units with "counts as", allies and your imagination, so why moan and complain that you have to do that? Just make the army the way you can.

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 Skriker wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We get it lazarian - you like the book. Can you please let others not like it. Is that difficult?


And I like the new Codex, but even I acknowledge that it's left Alpha Legion and Night Lords players completely out in the cold. There are no Legion rules, but you can pretty much fake anything from the four main Legions and from Iron Warriors and Word Bearers, but not AL or NL.


You can fake anything you want if you put your mind to it. How are night lords and alpha legion left out in the cold? With allies and the flexibility of the new book you can make your army look like just about anything at this stage. There were no specific bones thrown to those chapters in ANY other CSM codex version either. The CSM books have always focused on the big four (World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children and Death Guard) and leaving it up to the player to tweak the list of any other chapters. This is the way it has always been. Why is a lack of night lords and alpha legion chapter specific rules such a big problem now? In multiple of these threads numerous people have offered suggestions about how to effectively represent alpha legion on the table. The responses they get are of the "but I don't want to have to use X or Y to make my list, I only want to use the chaos codex exactly to do it." It isn't the fault of the codex if players can't think outside the box to realize the dream of the army they have. It can be done, if you take full advantage of the codex rules, tweak some units with "counts as", allies and your imagination, so why moan and complain that you have to do that? Just make the army the way you can.

Skriker


Your wrong, there was a codex that represented each legion, it was called the 3.5 edition codex, each legion got their own page.

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First they raised prices on the Eldar, and I did not speak out because I did not play Eldar.

Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.

Then, they raised prices on the Nids, and I did not speak out because I did not play Nids.

Then, they raised prices on the Marines, and there was nobody to speak out for me. 
   
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And it was broken as feth. Your point is?

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And it was broken as feth. Your point is?


Thats the funny thing they are all mad that thier codex isnt 3.5 in 6th edition that they cant see its a good codex.
   
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And it was broken as feth. Your point is?
My question is, of what relevance is its ability to be abused to the fact that it had distinct rules and background for each Traitor Legion?

Relatively little.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And it was broken as feth. Your point is?
My question is, of what relevance is its ability to be abused to the fact that it had distinct rules and background for each Traitor Legion?

Relatively little.


I'd argue that it matters quite a bit. The argument was that it can be done with as little as one page of rules per Legion, and uses the 3.5 'dex as evidence of this. The fact that the 3.5 edition Codex was pretty balls-to-the-walls insane serves as a good counter-argument to why such an approach to the Legion rules might not be the most optimal.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And it was broken as feth. Your point is?
My question is, of what relevance is its ability to be abused to the fact that it had distinct rules and background for each Traitor Legion?

Relatively little.


I'd argue that it matters quite a bit. The argument was that it can be done with as little as one page of rules per Legion, and uses the 3.5 'dex as evidence of this. The fact that the 3.5 edition Codex was pretty balls-to-the-walls insane serves as a good counter-argument to why such an approach to the Legion rules might not be the most optimal.


In that format, yes it was broken, however if something like 3.5 came out today it wouldnt be considering many other armies have army wide special rules and special characters that do the same thing.

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First they raised prices on the Eldar, and I did not speak out because I did not play Eldar.

Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.

Then, they raised prices on the Nids, and I did not speak out because I did not play Nids.

Then, they raised prices on the Marines, and there was nobody to speak out for me. 
   
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I took a read through and sadly I will still be avoiding all things GW.

Things I liked:
Cultists, I can now field a more alpha army.
Obliterators split into melee/ranged & point reduction. ** I like both versions
Daemonic possession eats an embarked model & regains a hull point lost earlier.

Gripes:
Lack of Skyfire (10pts/model just to get flakk missiles, otherwise you need the dragon which I'm not a fan of)
Cult troops still overpriced.
Choices are still very black &white to me. (This is GREAT, this BLOWS)
No legion specific rules **Note I am not asking for a handout of special rules just that if loyalist marines can have SIX different codexes not to mention all the special characters for each chapter in the smurf book, then the traitor legions can have a couple pages of special rules.
I feel there is a lack of anything truly new. It feels more like a simple rehash of the old book not a re-write where as you look at how much Guard or Necrons or GK changed. **True they were a little more out of date.
$50 price tag **Yes this is an expensive hobby but I think $50 is a little absurd when WOTC can publish a similar sized, hard cover, full color and IMHO better quality book for D&D for $20-30.
Daemonic possession eats a random embarked model and no longer auto demotes stunned.
New units are a little lack luster minus cultists.

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I'm actually surprised by the poll, I've heard more complaints and gripes about the codex than positive things, yet there is an overwhelming amount of those who like it according to the numbers.

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First they raised prices on the Eldar, and I did not speak out because I did not play Eldar.

Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.

Then, they raised prices on the Nids, and I did not speak out because I did not play Nids.

Then, they raised prices on the Marines, and there was nobody to speak out for me. 
   
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And it was broken as feth. Your point is?
My question is, of what relevance is its ability to be abused to the fact that it had distinct rules and background for each Traitor Legion?

Relatively little.


I'd argue that it matters quite a bit. The argument was that it can be done with as little as one page of rules per Legion, and uses the 3.5 'dex as evidence of this. The fact that the 3.5 edition Codex was pretty balls-to-the-walls insane serves as a good counter-argument to why such an approach to the Legion rules might not be the most optimal.
The problem wasn't with having distinct Legion rules, it was the fact that tons of options were undercosted and certain things shouldn't have been allowed to work together (none of which was really related to Legion-specific aspect). That's an issue with the implementation, not an issue with the underlying concept.

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