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As has been said above, I think at this stage the Kickstarter could definitely benefit from a single, high quality sculpt to show off. We know that the 'Wardroids' are going to be one of the most important units - I think a cool sci-fi robot, with some customisation, would be a great draw at this stage.

I think the real draw however, and something I think could be a real boon to the Kickstarter, would be further details on how the real-time universe will operate, and perhaps even an example of it (good computer guys on the team? Lets have some kind of well produced animation). Arguably this is the jewel in the crown of this project - something that has not been seen in any other wargame, and IMO is the one thing that has the potential to make this game become tremendously popular. Seriously, I don't have a terribly vivid imagination, but even for my own limited outlook the thought of a community influenced, evolving universe with a real-time website (showing maps of ongoing conflicts, complete with little flash animations!), of players receiving emails with that week's missions (and of course, features on individual player battles in a previous week) - then the results of that carrying on to influence it's development..*whhooooshhhhh*. Well, let's just say I find the concept of that mind blowing!

But anyway, I think the above needs to be a bit more publicised - otherwise it is well within the realms of possibility that this Kickstarter will fail. In my mind that would be a terrible shame not just for Rick and the GoA team, because I think they have had some wonderful ideas here regardless of what you think about the execution, but really I think for the wargaming industry in general; GoA could be precisely what the 'hobby' needs to position itself as a viable form of entertainment for the increasingly computer and technologically savvy new generations, who have more choices than ever for them to spend their money on.

I think that getting the name out there is one of the real challenges of this kickstarter (aside from needing greens and stuff) and the team seem to be trying their best but any suggestions of new and better ways to get their name out would definately be welcome, it has alot of potential and the more people that hear of the kickstarter the better the chance of that potential turning into something real.

KarlPedder wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
If you're buying Ngoras, sure. But they're one of the smaller races - the Revers seem to start at 20 credits.

Yep you have me there I'd hoped that the Revers listed were special weapon type upgrades and that was why they were 2 peace 20 Credit models and that there would be a single peace "basic" weapon Rever which would only be 10 CR but that doesn't seem to be the case since the basic weapon is apparently the mag/plug gun.....

But it could just be an example of the problems with the examples given for the "custom army" and there will be a 1 peace Rever and why I keep going on about giving us a list.

Hey Guys - we're just putting the finishing touches to the funding goal army list with credit costs, so expect it in tomorrows update - we are listening, just taken us a little while to put together and make sure its right

Great stuff, looking forward to when those appear!

Update number 13 from the Kickstarter has just arrived:

Hi Everyone

Wanted to say that it’s great to see so many of you so active in our forums. You've been contributing some brilliant ideas and thoughts in the development areas and interestingly the total posts in the dev forums have now overtaken the general forums, so clearly we’re not completely mad in thinking that you guys would like to be involved!

One thing to remember is that it takes a long time to make a game properly, you have to get it right and sometimes that means redoing all the work you just did and sometime the magic just happens first time. We’re listening to your posts and rapidly working on lots of areas of the game right now and we’re trying to get information and models out to the as soon as we can, but we do need to do it right, so please bear with us

Right, onto Kev's Hansa model Part 2:


Like the idea of an integrated, high-tech combat suit I have to say!

Hansa looks good so far, like the gun but would'nt mind seeing more armour on the guy as a whole. Either way its still WiP, hopefully when this is done it'll pull in a few more backers, I really want to see this project get funded.

P.s, it nice to see Kevin being so generous with the guys *ahem* equipmeant.

Credit prices are up:
"100 Credits = £12.5
200 Credits = £24
400 Credits = £46
800 Credits = £85"

 AlexHolker wrote:
Credit prices are up:
"100 Credits = £12.5
200 Credits = £24
400 Credits = £46
800 Credits = £85"

Out of question is there a list to how do these credits stack up in relation to the miniatures? i.e 100 credits being worth 3 small base minis or 1 medium base minis etc.

 Rolt wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Credit prices are up:
"100 Credits = £12.5
200 Credits = £24
400 Credits = £46
800 Credits = £85"

Out of question is there a list to how do these credits stack up in relation to the miniatures? i.e 100 credits being worth 3 small base minis or 1 medium base minis etc.

On the KS page they have "sample" minis on what credits can buy.

So, as a way of reference we are possibly talking here:
- Simple/smaller models as £12.50 for a pack of 10.
- Multi-part, customisable and larger models at £24 for a pack of 10
- 40mm models (Tau battle suit size? fully loaded terminators as a way of comparison perhaps?) - a box of 5 for between £18-20?
- A character, or 50mm monster, for around £5 (this can't be right surely? ) - with a named character £6-7?

If this is the case, depending on the finished product of course, these prices are extremely reasonable.

We've also been told that more or less will be made in plastic, depending on the success of the Kickstarter, so that might affect things to an extent.


On a separate note, there is now a pretty interesting discussion going on regarding the development of the real-time universe/player interaction with GoA on the official forums. This is the most exciting part of the project for me, so I think well worth having a read with if you have some ideas!

http://www.darkspacecorp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=205

At this point not only is it somewhat vague, but now unnecessarily complicated too!

I'm sure it will all get sorted out eventually, but sooner is definitely better than later...

I would call it flexible.

I'm sure you would, but current trending suggests 'vague' would win out.

The new price listing for credit purchases has been updated on the kickstarter, obviously without army list planning and weapon stats it is hard to nail down an exact list but you can get a general idea as to how much bang for your buck you'd get aswell as the options available at the very start:

Custom Army List

NOTE: Each pose or variant is a separate model and costs the same credit amount shown next to model name.

Rever Mercenaries

Revers are old-fashioned humans who form a significant portion of the armed forces of all human factions.

20 Credits - Rever Mercenary with plasma pistol and grenades – 2 poses
20 Credits - Rever Mercenary with plug carbine – 3 poses
30 Credits - Rever Mercenary with fractal cannon – 1 pose
30 Credits - Rever Mercenary Captain with plasma pistol and tech-harness (1 alt parts)

NuHu

NuHu are the masters and most profiles species of the Concord and of the Isorian Shard – but rarely are they seen putting themselves in danger. Those that must are volunteers of unusual temperament and courage for their species. NuHu don’t form units of troopers but specialist individuals within a force.

30 Credits - NuHu Ambassador – 1 variant
30 Credits - NuHu Bio-Surveyer – 1 variant
30 Credits - NuHu Assessor with hypercom harness –1 variant
30 Credits - NuHu Contact Team Leader – 1 variant

CoCom Troopers

CoCom has developed shield-base battle armour fields that afford protection and mobility. These are activated by pack generators and the field is held by light metallic plates attached to the trooper’s battlesuit. These will be Rever types or will have alternate heads representing different Pans and helmets.

20 Credits - CoCom Trooper in battle armour with plasma carbine – 3 poses
30 Credits - CoCom Trooper in battle armour with X-Launcher – 1 pose
30 Credits - CoCom Trooper in battle armour with plasma cannon – 1 pose
30 Credits - Isorian Shard Battle Leader (1 alt parts)

Drones

These include all kinds of sentient machines including WarDrones. All human factions have type of drones and can have WarDrones, although not all factions have equally effective WarDrones.

N/A - WarDrone Plastic set – plastic multi-posed kits with a choice of weapons and head variants.
20 Credits - CoCom WarDrone armed with plasma carbine – 3 variants
10 Credits - Hunter drones – 2 variants
10 Credits - Targetter drone – 1 variant

Algoryn Troopers

The Algoryn Prosperate is a powerful group of worlds within the Determinate and one of the chief enemies of the Gwar. The Algoryn are adapted to high levels of radiation and very hot temperatures, with thick, gnarly skins, dense musculature and bony outgrowths over their eyes that shield them from the radioactive glare of the Algoryn suns. They have a relatively high civilisation level and trade Concord technology through Freebooter traders.

20 Credits - Algoryn trooper with plasma pistol and grenades – 2 poses
20 Credits - Algoryn trooper with plug carbine – 3 poses
30 Credits - Algoryn trooper with plasma cannon – 1 pose
30 Credits - Algoryn Prosperate Captain with plasma pistol and tech-harness (1 alt parts)
Isorian Shard Troopers

The Isorians have developed numerous unique technologies through contact with advanced alien species – amongst these advances is the phase armour worn by Shard Troopers. These will be Rever types or will have alternate heads representing different Pans and helmets.

30 Credits - Isorian Shard Trooper in phase Armour with fractal cannon – 1 pose
30 Credits - Isorian Shard Trooper in phase Armour with X-Launcher – 1 pose
20 Credits - Isorian Shard Trooper in phase Armour with plasma carbine – 3 poses
30 Credits - Isorian Shard Battle Leader (1 alt parts)

Boramites

The Boramites originated in the Boram Asteroid mines of Gar’Xu. They have now spread throughout many of the mining colonies of the Spill and can be found throughout Antarean Space. Boramites are a Panhuman species that is highly dimorphic in nature – with a small subtype a well as a larger ruling caste.

10 Credits - Boramite Miner with mass compactor – 3 poses
10 Credits - Boramite Miner with frag borer – 1 pose
10 Credits - Boramite Miner with core charges – 3 poses
20 Credits - Boramite Overseer with plasma carbine – 2 poses
20 Credits - Boramite Overseer with plasma pistol and chain lash – 1 pose
20 Credits - Boramite Trader with compression carbine – 1 pose
20 Credits - Boramite Engineer – 1 pose Weapon details coming soon!

Apparently new weapon stats coming soon.

I personally think that the list is quite well done - a whole bunch of stuff there for different people to get interested in, plenty of room for expansion, and there seems to be already a nice level of variance between different races/creeds.

By my calculation, it would take 1000 credits to get one of each unique sculpt. Of course some of them, like Hunter/Targetter drones, or the standard troopers, you might want multiples of.

My plan is to get enough for two forces. I'll probably do an Isorian force that uses most of the plastic drones, plus the Isorian trooper models, and some kind of NuHu thrown in. The other maybe a Freebooter force with a few plastic drones, plus a mix of rever, algoryn, and boramite models to get a good variety and rag-tag feel to it.

@Duncan, thanks for the link. I've signed up on their forums, but I won't have time to write up anything coherent (er... coherentish) until later tonight or tomorrow. I don't think my own particular style of pithy comments would make for a good introduction, so I'll read a bit of what's already going on and see what I can add... or vehemently oppose.

So.. maybe I missed it... does the starter box (£65) come with a full printed but not hardback rulebook or is it just a quickstart guide kind of thing? If I want the full rulebook do I have to get the Feeder level? Or is feeder for just if you want a whole lot of minis?

I'm sorry but that list just does not do it for me. I need visuals to even get mildly interested in this KS. Although it is nice to see that there is finally some solid direction, it is not yet enough to get my money. Hopefully soon we will be shown some images and I can really get an idea of what is going on!

 Necros wrote:
So.. maybe I missed it... does the starter box (£65) come with a full printed but not hardback rulebook or is it just a quickstart guide kind of thing? If I want the full rulebook do I have to get the Feeder level? Or is feeder for just if you want a whole lot of minis?

It took me a moment to figure that out myself. The (£65) "Dark Energy" Level only comes with the official rules in PDF format(and a basic book it looks like similar to GW has in their boxes I think?). Feeder level has a real "paper" rulebook.

You can add a the rulebook to the starter box for £25.

It sounds like most of these models are not multi part? I'm more a modeler/fluff whore than a gamer so that's probably enough of a turn off to cancel my pledge I think. Will wait and see though, plenty of time left.

 Yonan wrote:
It sounds like most of these models are not multi part? I'm more a modeler/fluff whore than a gamer so that's probably enough of a turn off to cancel my pledge I think. Will wait and see though, plenty of time left.

I've definitely been painting/modelling more than playing the last couple years, but if you look at the list there seems to be about 50 different models(when variants and poses are included), not including the drones.

 Yonan wrote:
It sounds like most of these models are not multi part? I'm more a modeler/fluff whore than a gamer so that's probably enough of a turn off to cancel my pledge I think. Will wait and see though, plenty of time left.

The numbers don't help either. With only 6-7 poses per human faction, you can't even fill out a basic 240 credit squad without either doubling up or spreading out.

Is that unreasonable though considering the scale of the game? If we are saying around 50 miniatures on the tabletop for a standard game, I can't think of any other games played at that scale where there is not at least some repetition among their poses. If they are component pieces as well then there should be some room for customisation in any case.

 Pacific wrote:
Is that unreasonable though considering the scale of the game?

The old metal Valhallans had twenty sculpts. So did the Eschers.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Is that unreasonable though considering the scale of the game?

The old metal Valhallans had twenty sculpts. So did the Eschers.

Some people might be upset at the lack of sculpts, on the other hand some people won't be playing the game for the wide array of sculpts and more for the tactical side of the game, each to their own I guess.

It is a bit silly to think that the miniatures themselves aren't supposed to be a big part of this thing, don't you think?

The creators themselves seem to think they are, even though they haven't really shown us much yet.

They really should have waited just a bit longer to launch this thing...

Well I guess the important thing is that they look good, and there are enough variations that we don't end up with ranks of identically posed models!

Possibly meant to be a Q&A interview video with Rick posted sometime soon? They were asking for questions over on the GoA forum.

For me, it's not just that they should have waited a bit longer... it's partly about them putting more time and effort in, themselves. I find myself wondering why I should have the faith to invest £100 or so in a Kickstarter when the sculptor hasn't had the faith to invest £100 in sculpting time before it starts.

Kevin White (from, among others, Hasslefree Miniatures), started working on the exclusive mini a few days ago. They have been posting regular updates, and the mini is starting to take shape. You can see his progress on Kickstarter and on the forum.
Image in the spoiler.

Oh, yeah, I saw that. Kev's a great sculptor, and Hasslefree are one of the nicest companies in the UK. But him starting work on the exclusive mini a few days ago... it's a bit like me opening a pizza delivery shop, but only buying the pizza dough when I get my first delivery order from a customer.