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Thats the thing everyone was a "little timmy" at one point, however little timmy became big timmy. Big timmy could afford more so GW increased the price while thinking it was still little timmy they were selling to (so to speak, very awkwardly styled )

agreed. When I was 12 ( 8 years ago) I could go into a games workshop with my dad, and he would buy me something for behasving well or something , i mean an eldar jetbike for around fiver... those were the days...

Now my brother plays and he is ten... there is no way outside of a special occasion that he could afford to buy anything there...

And Im inclined to agree, my models went into the attic at 16 because I was burned out on painting them then I restarted my hobby last year and I definately could not have afforded to restart at current prices if I was still little timmy.
Shame head office doesn't seem tuned in enough to realise that.

AaronMint wrote:

Thats the thing everyone was a "little timmy" at one point, however little timmy became big timmy. Big timmy could afford more so GW increased the price while thinking it was still little timmy they were selling to (so to speak, very awkwardly styled )

agreed. When I was 12 ( 8 years ago) I could go into a games workshop with my dad, and he would buy me something for behasving well or something , i mean an eldar jetbike for around fiver... those were the days...

Now my brother plays and he is ten... there is no way outside of a special occasion that he could afford to buy anything there...

Actually I started after I was old enough to drink-which probably helped.. I was never "little timmy." At this point, I hate kids. I know thats a surprise. Frankly those children are eating valuable food that could be used to strengthen the wiener dog legions even further.

 Easy E wrote:
So one guy vents on Facebook about his work. Who cares?

I'm more concerned about the overall policies of the company towards their customers than this one guy spouting off on FB.

It's not just that. It's an individual who may or may not be GW's manager for growth in the community attacking their owncustkmers on their official FB page.

It's not hard to understand why this is very bad.

I genuinely don't understand that comment >.<
I am glad however i seem to have stemmed the "games workshop are all Satan" bashing.

I do think its fair to say that the people in charge and those setting pricing are out of touch with the market ( I mean come on ... I now look at a £50 forgeworld avatar and think its cheap...)

But not all of their employees are evil... I mean even through some of their flaws all of the writers and designers enjoy the game. I just don't see why a company would hire people with those kinds of opinions.


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I genuinely don't understand that comment >.<
I am glad however i seem to have stemmed the "games workshop are all Satan" bashing.

I do think its fair to say that the people in charge and those setting pricing are out of touch with the market ( I mean come on ... I now look at a £50 forgeworld avatar and think its cheap...)

But not all of their employees are evil... I mean even through some of their flaws all of the writers and designers enjoy the game. I just don't see why a company would hire people with those kinds of opinions.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So one guy vents on Facebook about his work. Who cares?

I'm more concerned about the overall policies of the company towards their customers than this one guy spouting off on FB.

It's not just that. It's an individual who may or may not be GW's manager for growth in the community attacking their owncustkmers on their official FB page.

It's not hard to understand why this is very bad.

Yeah, as much as I might agree that FB and the internet in general is a huge den of whiners sometimes, a professional individual does not go out and insult his customers. If he worked at any company with a respect for the customer and an understanding of social media, he would be let go.

 pretre wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So one guy vents on Facebook about his work. Who cares?

I'm more concerned about the overall policies of the company towards their customers than this one guy spouting off on FB.

It's not just that. It's an individual who may or may not be GW's manager for growth in the community attacking their owncustkmers on their official FB page.

It's not hard to understand why this is very bad.

Yeah, as much as I might agree that FB and the internet in general is a huge den of whiners sometimes, a professional individual does not go out and insult his customers. If he worked at any company with a respect for the customer and an understanding of social media, he would be let go.

He probably thought that nobody would notice that he works/has worked at GW... well his plan backfired

I didn't see it in the previous pages (probably missed it) but did anyone see Tasty's article about his previous 'exploits' as a police officer?

I read about the one where he sodomized a woman (IE raped/sexually assaulted/etc), yes.

 pretre wrote:
I didn't see it in the previous pages (probably missed it) but did anyone see Tasty's article about his previous 'exploits' as a police officer?

Yep forced sodomy down to a misdemeanor of some form, what of it? Guys a scumbag it seems who is used to having his backside covered

 doc1234 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I didn't see it in the previous pages (probably missed it) but did anyone see Tasty's article about his previous 'exploits' as a police officer?

Yep forced sodomy down to a misdemeanor of some form, what of it? Guys a scumbag it seems who is used to having his backside covered

What I don't get is why GW hired him when he has done what he has done, don't they check for criminal records?

 MetalOxide wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I didn't see it in the previous pages (probably missed it) but did anyone see Tasty's article about his previous 'exploits' as a police officer?

Yep forced sodomy down to a misdemeanor of some form, what of it? Guys a scumbag it seems who is used to having his backside covered

What I don't get is why GW hired him when he has done what he has done, don't they check for criminal records?

Misdemeanors don't often carry a ton of weight. Now considering that his DNA and fluids where found at the scene of this chick, I don't see how any DA would agree to lower the charges. It's not like she can falsify that evidence... at least not easily.

Either way, he was more or less forced out of his job, but I feel criminal penalties should apply.

 Aerethan wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I didn't see it in the previous pages (probably missed it) but did anyone see Tasty's article about his previous 'exploits' as a police officer?

Yep forced sodomy down to a misdemeanor of some form, what of it? Guys a scumbag it seems who is used to having his backside covered

What I don't get is why GW hired him when he has done what he has done, don't they check for criminal records?

Misdemeanors don't often carry a ton of weight. Now considering that his DNA and fluids where found at the scene of this chick, I don't see how any DA would agree to lower the charges. It's not like she can falsify that evidence... at least not easily.

Either way, he was more or less forced out of his job, but I feel criminal penalties should apply.

You would think they would, but as cliche as it sounds wouldn't surprise me if bribes were applied and shenanigans had so the department could save face.

As I said, Blue Shield of Silence. Many cops love covering up criminals, as long as those criminals are cops.

 doc1234 wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I didn't see it in the previous pages (probably missed it) but did anyone see Tasty's article about his previous 'exploits' as a police officer?

Yep forced sodomy down to a misdemeanor of some form, what of it? Guys a scumbag it seems who is used to having his backside covered

What I don't get is why GW hired him when he has done what he has done, don't they check for criminal records?

Misdemeanors don't often carry a ton of weight. Now considering that his DNA and fluids where found at the scene of this chick, I don't see how any DA would agree to lower the charges. It's not like she can falsify that evidence... at least not easily.

Either way, he was more or less forced out of his job, but I feel criminal penalties should apply.

You would think they would, but as cliche as it sounds wouldn't surprise me if bribes were applied and shenanigans had so the department could save face.

But that is the thing, by doing all this shady crap, it sheds a worse light on the department than if they had admitted it, and thrown the book at the guy. I'd respect a police department that admits it's mistakes, and takes action to correct them far more than one that just tries to cover them up and let scumbags off with little recourse.

I think perhaps that police departments forget who they work for. They are not above the law, if anything they have far less wiggle room with it than most other people. I feel for cops in rough areas where their life is threatened daily, but it seems more often that the scumbags who get away with gak are in areas where they don't have anything more important to do than try to blackmail people out of their arrest warrants.

Shouldn't the law come down harder on cops? I mean killing a cop is seen to be 'worse' by that same extension of logic a cop doing despicable things for corrupt reasons should be shown the full extent of the law.

Also GW sux

 Melissia wrote:
As I said, Blue Shield of Silence. Many cops love covering up criminals, as long as those criminals are cops.

Reminds me of the film Magnum Force with rogue cops who went about shooting suspected criminals whilst being protected by the police Lt.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So one guy vents on Facebook about his work. Who cares?

I'm more concerned about the overall policies of the company towards their customers than this one guy spouting off on FB.

It's not just that. It's an individual who may or may not be GW's manager for growth in the community attacking their owncustkmers on their official FB page.

It's not hard to understand why this is very bad.

I know my company has a pretty interesting policy about what we can say or do onOnline as "official" or "unofficial" company representatives about our company. I wonder what GW's is?

 Revengeancer wrote:
Funny story about Mark Bolger...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.thebird.copwatch/lWRfPw3P82U

GW was impressed how Marc forced things down people's thoats and got away with it. So they hired him
BTW his US boss (if he is still with GW, as some internet sources say) is a woman.

Groan. That might have been over the line.

lol

almostreal wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

almostreal wrote:

I honestly do think that you should consider that this same company that hates you and your hobby has also created the hobby and all of the background and is making alot of money, which allows them to continue to make more models.

Just out of curiosity how many of the people currently making decisions at GW were around when it started?

None, the OG founders were bought out by management in the early 90's I do believe. How many people at your work are still there from 1975?

jonolikespie wrote:Right, so the people running it didn't create the hobby or the fluff, they just bought it out and started selling toys to kids.

The fact that these two comments came so close together is Endemic of the blind hatred and ignorance that infects GW hate spam.
Sure GW's original owners were boughtout by management in the 90's. The same fething management that developed the games we now play. Bryan Ansell, the co creator of WHFB, fething led the buyout and still works at GW. JJ obviously still works at GW you may remember him from 40k, the only game I give two gaks about, in fact of the creators of the various GW franchises the earliest that left was Andy Chambers, who was never management in the first place. In fact when Rick Priestley left in 2010 was the first time a game created and decision maker left the company. And all our woes began in 2010 right? No the feth the did not.








You have no idea what the feth you are talking about.

So wait... an EX-employee trolled haters on facebook? And now we have 5 pages of 'well, even though he doesn't work there, if he did, it would be awesome, I mean terrible, so let's act outraged as if he did!'

Say it ain't so. It is like when someone made up a fake policy about finecast returns saying one person said it and dozens of contrary evidence from other employees saying it is not the policy only to find out that it was never a policy.

With all the manufactured outrage based upon hypotheticals and lies... no wonder GW hates us.

 AustonT wrote:
Bryan Ansell, the co creator of WHFB, fething led the buyout and still works at GW.

No he sold it to the current management and went on to start Wargames Foundry.

 Easy E wrote:
So one guy vents on Facebook about his work. Who cares?

I'm more concerned about the overall policies of the company towards their customers than this one guy spouting off on FB.

Well the thing is it's representative of a general attitude - from the posts made on this thread this is endemic of what the upper management thinks of their customer base.

The kind of 'yes men' attitude, of not giving a crap about existing customers, Finecast being crap, lack of marketing etc. - all of these are linked factors.

Wait.... so does this guy currently work for GW, or not?

 azazel the cat wrote:
Wait.... so does this guy currently work for GW, or not?

It would appear not, but it's not too far a leap to conclude that the attitude he expressed is one he held while in the job, and that others at the top of GW still think. Not that it should be a huge surprise really.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Wait.... so does this guy currently work for GW, or not?

Sounds like not.

Peregrine wrote:And I'd also consider the hypothetical "you" an idiot who didn't bother to learn about the company you're working for or the products they produce, and therefore "you" should be fired and replaced with someone who isn't an idiot. And you'd really deserve it because, in a world where video games are big business, even "mainstream" people have at least heard about D&D, etc, you have to be deliberately ignorant to miss the fact that older people buy and play wargames.

Absolutely. It's obvious to me and it's obvious to you, but not to GW. To GW, we're contemptible.

Pacific wrote:Some years ago the collective pejorative I heard was 'sheep', although there have been other, less kind expressions thrown around. But yes, you're absolutely right.

It's shocking to hear about the sheer contempt GW has for its customers. Well, it was shocking. Now it's sort of not really surprising at all.

AduroT wrote:
I dunno. Hasbro found itself in a situation similar to that and they responded by engaging and making things intended for that unexpected demographic.

I think it's a massive difference in corporate culture. One the one hand you have Hasbro, a company that is interested in any and all customers and any and all sources of revenue. They embrace adult collectors of Star Wars and GI Joe, and they embraced the adult following of MLP as best they could, though not perfectly. They even saw the value of Magic:The Gathering and bought WotC years ago. GW on the other hand... Well, let's just say just because something is smart, doesn't mean GW will do it.

 filbert wrote:

They certainly have. It has cropped up a number of times. To quote myself:

GW call their customers things like "Geek, Gomer, Sheep, and Pleb"....

The rapist who made the first facebook post may not be a current GW employee, but he did demonstrate a level of contempt that is pretty indicative of GW's culture.

A smart company wants their customers choosing them to be the smart and correct choice and doesn't see them as sheet to be fleeced or plebs to be ruled.

.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Wait.... so does this guy currently work for GW, or not?

It would appear not, but it's not too far a leap to conclude that the attitude he expressed is one he held while in the job, and that others at the top of GW still think. Not that it should be a huge surprise really.

So Dakka pulled out the old 'jump to conclusions' mat and made a hypothetical thing to be mad about, acts as if it is true then devolves into a 'Why I hate GW talking points' thread with a side of Internet Lynch mob. We have no idea what he thought while on the job, if anyone at GW agreed with him or maybe he was let go for spouting his anti-fandom speech? No one knows but who cares about what actually happens when you can forge a narrative and discuss how smart we all are without facts.

A productive thread to say the least.

nkelsch wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Wait.... so does this guy currently work for GW, or not?

It would appear not, but it's not too far a leap to conclude that the attitude he expressed is one he held while in the job, and that others at the top of GW still think. Not that it should be a huge surprise really.

So Dakka pulled out the old 'jump to conclusions' mat and made a hypothetical thing to be mad about, acts as if it is true then devolves into a 'Why I hate GW talking points' thread with a side of Internet Lynch mob. We have no idea what he thought while on the job, if anyone at GW agreed with him or maybe he was let go for spouting his anti-fandom speech? No one knows but who cares about what actually happens when you can forge a narrative and discuss how smart we all are without facts.

A productive thread to say the least.

No. No-one knows whether he is employed by GW or not. As has been stated previously, his Facebook and Linkedin status say he does; according to one poster from speaking to his GW manager, he does not. So, who knows.