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Anyone else notice this post from the 80s Chaos interview thread?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/499039.page#5179181

'Also,' David Pringle recalls, 'I think there was some pulling two ways between Bryan Ansell (who was all for the books) and Tom Kirby (who tended to be against them — I remember him telling me that he hated fantasy and that his favourite writer was Jane Austen).'

GW is run by someone who hated fantasy as a genre (and possibly still does). Just think about that for a second.

An ex-employee trolls people on his ex-employers Facebook page and people are treating it like gospel.

Keep classy Dakka.

I don't know, man. It kind of reinforces what people have said before.

This just smacks of "things I thought, but couldn't say before I left". I don't doubt their are passionate people that care for GW systems still working at GW but the ones with the power and say are probably a majority of profit pushing condescending asshats.

Can't remember who or where the quote from somebody who works for GW/has a friend who does expressing the Management's attitude to "veteran" gamers.

agustin wrote:
Anyone else notice this post from the 80s Chaos interview thread?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/499039.page#5179181

'Also,' David Pringle recalls, 'I think there was some pulling two ways between Bryan Ansell (who was all for the books) and Tom Kirby (who tended to be against them — I remember him telling me that he hated fantasy and that his favourite writer was Jane Austen).'

GW is run by someone who hated fantasy as a genre (and possibly still does). Just think about that for a second.

I dunno, Give me kirbys position, shareholding and the dividends I would get each year and I would loathe fantasy with a passion.

 d-usa wrote:
An ex-employee trolls people on his ex-employers Facebook page and people are treating it like gospel.

Keep classy Dakka.

Indeed, some random feller makes a massive over statement accusing gamers of being whiners generates 6 pages of whining on Dakka.

Doesn't seem like much of an overstatement now does it.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

agustin wrote:

GW is run by someone who hated fantasy as a genre (and possibly still does). Just think about that for a second.

I dunno, Give me kirbys position, shareholding and the dividends I would get each year and I would loathe fantasy with a passion.

/slowclap

Was the post eventually deleted?

 Compel wrote:
Was the post eventually deleted?

It's gone now

Hmm, Tom Kirby says he hates fantasy then says how his favorite author is Jane Austen. I'll tell you this my dear Mr. Kirby, Jane Austen IS fantasy!. What else do you call all the unrequited love, sighing, heaving breasts, unsaid feelings, and batting of eyelashes that go on in her insipid novels. She is selling a fantasy about love.

Umm. I think you know that he wasn't talking about fantasy in that particular context. You could replace Fantasy in the statement with 'Swords and Sorcery' or 'Warhammer Fantasy Battles'.

 notprop wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
An ex-employee trolls people on his ex-employers Facebook page and people are treating it like gospel.

Keep classy Dakka.

Indeed, some random feller makes a massive over statement accusing gamers of being whiners generates 6 pages of whining on Dakka.

Doesn't seem like much of an overstatement now does it.

QFT.

Methinks you miss my point.

Being that it is no less ridiculous to enjoy Swords and Sorcery than it is to be enraptured by Georgian era Romance fantasy.

 notprop wrote:


Indeed, some random feller makes a massive over statement accusing gamers of being whiners generates 6 pages of whining on Dakka.

Doesn't seem like much of an overstatement now does it.

You've not spent much time on the internet have you? The Wargaming community is positively tame compared to the average MMO playerbase.

He was definitely talking about literary genres. But one of the things you'll here again and again is about the rich fiction and backgrounds developed for 40k and WFB. The genre matters and the fact that Kirby hated it means his interest in it is entirely in terms of how much money he can suck out of it. It's more contempt from a company that calls its customers derogatory things like sheep and pleb.

Agustin, what article did the Priestly quote in your sig come from?

Guys, guys, I think we're all missing the bigger picture here.

Look at the post right below Mark Bolger's.

...how do I get me some Leman Russ Battle Tang?

http://blogs.redding.com/mbeauchamp/archives/Tang.gif

 Lalochezia wrote:
Guys, guys, I think we're all missing the bigger picture here.

Look at the post right below Mark Bolger's.

...how do I get me some Leman Russ Battle Tang?

http://blogs.redding.com/mbeauchamp/archives/Tang.gif

Frankly, I think this is a [/thread] moment, here. Guy didn't work for GW, but I do want some Battle Tang.

The guy raped someone and people are complaining about his attitude towards the player base? In that case it makes you wonder if his contempt was deserving.

What, you mean that we have contempt for him? Well in that case you are absolutely correct.

 Micky wrote:
Agustin, what article did the Priestly quote in your sig come from?

It's from an interview with the Realm of Chaos blog:

http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.nl/2013/01/rick-priestley-interview-from-realms-of.html

That's even better than my 'front for drugs' Jervis quite!

I'm not familiar with that one.

Jervis once said that when he saw the numbers for space marine sales he thought it looked more like a front for drugs


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agustin wrote:

 Micky wrote:
Agustin, what article did the Priestly quote in your sig come from?

It's from an interview with the Realm of Chaos blog:

http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.nl/2013/01/rick-priestley-interview-from-realms-of.html

Its just above the warhammer seige part

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!"

If that isnt damning I dont know what is.

Ah right. That quote.

Lately I've been revisiting my RT and 2nd edition 40k stuff and my 3rd, 4th and 5th edition WFB books and they just ooze genuine love for the hobby (though by late 5th, the books get more sterile). It's sort of sad that it's gone now and instead we have people who hold the hobbyist in contempt profiting off of all those creative people's hard work put in over decades.

Palindrome wrote:

 notprop wrote:


Indeed, some random feller makes a massive over statement accusing gamers of being whiners generates 6 pages of whining on Dakka.

Doesn't seem like much of an overstatement now does it.

You've not spent much time on the internet have you? The Wargaming community is positively tame compared to the average MMO playerbase.

Because computer nerds being a bunch of whiny girls makes wargaming nerds less whiny or girly?

I think folks are taking this a bit too far here. I don't think the opinion of one man can be said to indicate the overall opinion of the company, no matter what position he holds.

I do not even think one frustrated comment can indicate the overall tenor of that individuals feelings on the GW playerbase.

I don't think that the fact the company refers to their customers as sheep means much, since I have never known any position that deals with customers which doesn't refer to them in derogatory ways on occasion. That's part of the built in relationship between provider and customer - retail workers do it, chefs do it, bands do it, CEO's of gaming companies do it. They also probably like most of their customers/fnas/playerbase just fine, that's just the way you talk about the people putting pressure on you, especially when it is the pain-in-the-ass one's who take up most of your time (this is always the case).

I think liking Jane Austen more than an entire literary genre is silly, but liking Jane Austen more than the vast majority of fantasy writers is just good taste. I don't care for Austen, but she is a far superior writer to the run of the mill fantasy writers out there.

Last, I think cops who use their position to take advantage of scared women should be strung up and beaten like a pinata.

-D

 Melissia wrote:
Frankly, I think this is a [/thread] moment, here. Guy didn't work for GW, but I do want some Battle Tang.

That guy certainly has been a high up manager at GW USA. Only uncertainty is, does he still work for GW. Some internet sources including his facebook profile say yes, one poster here says no. That's all we got ATM.

 Kroothawk wrote:

That guy certainly has been a high up manager at GW USA. Only uncertainty is, does he still work for GW. Some internet sources including his facebook profile say yes, one poster here says no. That's all we got ATM.

Said the same thing about a page ago but apparently there is now a trend of whining about whining

 d-usa wrote:
An ex-employee trolls people on his ex-employers Facebook page and people are treating it like gospel.

Keep classy Dakka.

So this guy doesn't even work for GW anymore.

Tempest in a teapot.

 Easy E wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
An ex-employee trolls people on his ex-employers Facebook page and people are treating it like gospel.

Keep classy Dakka.

So this guy doesn't even work for GW anymore.

Tempest in a teapot.

NO!

As has been said before, the only person claiming that is 1 guy in this thread. According to Google, LinkedIn etc. the guy still works for GW. It is still up for debate as to whether he is still employed by GW.