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 Polonius wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thing is, we don't know what's in the book yet.


Which is what people say when they want to shut a conversation down, instead of making a point. Welcome to most human converstions. We're talking about someting without full knowledge.


As I've said several times in this very thread, there's no point in complaining about stuff that is completely made-up for all we know. Constructive discussion is one thing, completely ripping GW a new one for something they haven't done and that we don't even know if they will is just not adding anything to the conversation.

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Eldercaveman wrote:
 caminacambob wrote:
Is it just me, or in the far left of that picture is that a Harpy wing? (Sorry if this has already been posted)


Your post seemed to get lost by the gloom in this thread. Night fight rules are definitely on in this thread.

I too noticed that, hope maybe... Possibly?


Haha, at least someone noticed my quiet voice in the corner.

It most definitely looks like a tyranid-esqu wing and possibly a tail?

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By the same token, there is no reason to say anything positive about something that could be made up.

There is no value to any post in this thread after the OP. I'm comfrotable with that, but I'm not going to let you value some more than others. Shouting "stop complaining you guys" over and over doesn't really add anything either, you know?
   
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 caminacambob wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
 caminacambob wrote:
Is it just me, or in the far left of that picture is that a Harpy wing? (Sorry if this has already been posted)


Your post seemed to get lost by the gloom in this thread. Night fight rules are definitely on in this thread.

I too noticed that, hope maybe... Possibly?


Haha, at least someone noticed my quiet voice in the corner.

It most definitely looks like a tyranid-esqu wing and possibly a tail?


Let just have our own conversation despite everyone else, got your searchlight?

Yeah it does look rather similar to the harpy artwork, and different enough from picture of the (what was agreed to be) hive tyrant in the dark angels codex. Although this could easily be just artwork in the background, and we might just be looking for Easter eggs at Christmas.

   
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Eldercaveman wrote:
 caminacambob wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
 caminacambob wrote:
Is it just me, or in the far left of that picture is that a Harpy wing? (Sorry if this has already been posted)


Your post seemed to get lost by the gloom in this thread. Night fight rules are definitely on in this thread.

I too noticed that, hope maybe... Possibly?


Haha, at least someone noticed my quiet voice in the corner.

It most definitely looks like a tyranid-esqu wing and possibly a tail?


Let just have our own conversation despite everyone else, got your searchlight?

Yeah it does look rather similar to the harpy artwork, and different enough from picture of the (what was agreed to be) hive tyrant in the dark angels codex. Although this could easily be just artwork in the background, and we might just be looking for Easter eggs at Christmas.


And extra batteries!

Unfortunately you could be right there, but hope endures!

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 Polonius wrote:
 pretre wrote:
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Sisters of Battle. Necrons. There was no legal way to get the rules outside of hunting down an old WD or getting Chapter Approved. Directly equivalent.


Right, which is why paying codex level prices for a codex's worth of rules content didn't hurt so bad. This isn't advanced algebra, but when an army book was $15, a $25 CA for a full army list wasn't so bad. And even then, a lot of those rules made their way online in official form.

Also, old white dwafs were more available back then, because more people bought and read it.

There were other things you couldn't play without those compilation books. Models/units, not just armies.
Fancy Deathwatch Models? Hope you have CA 2003.
Fancy Emperor's Champion? Hope you have CA 2003
Fancy Grey Knight Squad? Hope you have CA 2001.
Cult Terminator Squad? Hope you have CA 2001.
Ultramarine Special Character Model? Hope you have CA 2001.

So yes, you might have have to pay $25 for one model's rules. And those had no online version (officially).

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tvih wrote:It'd be nice if the thread was actually about any new tidbits of information about the book and not endless and endlessly repetitive complaining about the method of sale and price of the book for which neither has even been confirmed. For crying out loud. It's all been said a million times over by now.

 Lorizael wrote:

Aeronautica is official. Everything is completely usable in games of 40K or Apoc. It even says's it's 'official' in the beginning of the book.
They even write it as 'official' because they think it's funny to think of a fun game as something that can be official or unofficial.

It's not published under the GW brand. The units are not found in any GW-branded products, nor anything stating about FW being officially allowed. So stamping them as official in the FW book itself won't do much good while the brand separation is there. Given how pissy people get even about Codex units and their options and minute rules differences, it's hardly surprising they refuse to acknowledge the FW stuff as official. Personally I don't give a flying feth if someone uses a Forgeworld unit. Not that I've even seen anyone try to use one around here. Wouldn't be allowed in tournaments (I specifically asked, out of curiosity) though, despite the rules being quite lax otherwise. Out of curiosity, do even GW's own tournaments in the UK allow FW units? If not, can't really start going around calling them "completely usable."


It's sold in Games Workshop stores, as are certain Apoc only units like plastic Baneblades and Stompas.
It's all Games Workshop, and in 5th, then moreso in 6th, the difference between Forgeworld and 40k has shrunk to near nothing - the prices are certainly pretty close now.
But as well as that, they've released rules such as Aeronautica, and Apoc Second Edition, that have units and lists specifically for use in 40K, it's not particularly different to a regular 40k codex or unit, apart from it's been written by the GW department called Forgeworld, and now the difference is VERY clear between 40k and Apoc units.
The difference was clear enough before, but you had to actually read the entries rather than just look at the 'stamp'

It's an attitude I've never really got, and it's generally the purview of the 'old guard' as it were (though I've been playing since 2000ish, so.. eh), but it's an attitude that's very outdated now - like the old stigma about Special Characters.

   
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 Polonius wrote:
By the same token, there is no reason to say anything positive about something that could be made up.

There is no value to any post in this thread after the OP. I'm comfrotable with that, but I'm not going to let you value some more than others. Shouting "stop complaining you guys" over and over doesn't really add anything either, you know?


There is value to both positive reactions. There is almost no value to simply ripping into GW for stuff they haven't even done. Discussing likely content and/or effects on the game, whether positive or negative, is a constructive reaction. Complaining about the same thing half the thread is filled with when there's no basis to complain is silly, and since people don't even seem to bother reading the thread, this is repeated again and again.

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FW Aeronautica book is not sold via GW stores or webstore, so it's a different market.
I don't know exactly what is in "Death from the Skies", but if it is just a big flyer FAQ, people will not be amused paying for it. Official point adjustments for e.g. vendetta should be in the official 6th edition update for IG, not in some English mail order only booklet.

Also, the rumour on a flyer model release is completely different from this rumour. I know that the book is coming, I only know some unconfirmed rumours about a flyer model release (the models certainly exist and are just waiting for a release slot though).

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I'd be surprised to see the flyers before the annual price hike. I think they took enough of a rip when the stormraven came out and then jumped $16 US dollars right afterwards. Not that I think they check what the online community cares about.

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 Sidstyler wrote:
Razorwing would have looked better.


I'm not a DE player or anything, but I think the Razorwing is the apex of the current GW fliers, modelwise. I think it's the most beautiful flyer they have ever built, and that DE release as a whole was the best the HHHobby can be.

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That's because it was a release under the control of the studio, namely Jes Goodwin who got all the time and resources he needed. All other releases are under the control of the bean counters.

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 Ouze wrote:
 Sidstyler wrote:
Razorwing would have looked better.


I'm not a DE player or anything, but I think the Razorwing is the apex of the current GW fliers, modelwise. I think it's the most beautiful flyer they have ever built, and that DE release as a whole was the best the HHHobby can be.


Definitely agreed. The DE release was essentially perfect-- awesome new models, awesome new rules, and price decreases on most units. I wish the same could be said of all releases.
   
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That's like saying that paying $30 (or whatever it was) for Chapter Approved was waay too much since I was only getting one army list out of it. Well, yeah, I only really wanted one list but the book had WAY more than that in it. Do I think this book will be Chapter Approved awesome? No idea yet, because we haven't seen more details.


I totally agree, though the two CA books I have were actually $20 going by my price tag, and one was 130 pages and the other I have is 157.



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 Kroothawk wrote:
That's because it was a release under the control of the studio, namely Jes Goodwin who got all the time and resources he needed. All other releases are under the control of the bean counters.


They should stop doing the latter, and keep doing the former. Someone should tell them that.

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I'm not a DE player or anything, but I think the Razorwing is the apex of the current GW fliers, modelwise. I think it's the most beautiful flyer they have ever built, and that DE release as a whole was the best the HHHobby can be.


I think so, too. I really, really want one to use as a Nightwing Interceptor in my Eldar force, as by just painting them up in Craftworld colors, the models look like they were made for the Craftworld Eldar, not the Dark Eldar. And they are half the price of a Nightwing from FW, too.

I feel a huge urge to buy one before they get a "Spring Price Hike of Flyers" and become 60-75 dollars.

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 Kroothawk wrote:


Also, the rumour on a flyer model release is completely different from this rumour. I know that the book is coming, I only know some unconfirmed rumours about a flyer model release (the models certainly exist and are just waiting for a release slot though).


If they have new models ready, it would be absurd not to release them with this book. Otherwise they need to release 'Death from the Skies, vol. II' once they want to release the models.

What new models you know of?

   
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Kroothawk wrote:FW Aeronautica book is not sold via GW stores or webstore, so it's a different market.
I don't know exactly what is in "Death from the Skies", but if it is just a big flyer FAQ, people will not be amused paying for it. Official point adjustments for e.g. vendetta should be in the official 6th edition update for IG, not in some English mail order only booklet.

Also, the rumour on a flyer model release is completely different from this rumour. I know that the book is coming, I only know some unconfirmed rumours about a flyer model release (the models certainly exist and are just waiting for a release slot though).


It is in the UK.
They have Crusade of Fire on the shelf in my local GW, aswell as having IA11, 7? Second edition, and a few others. They also had Aeronautica, though I admittedly didn't check if they still had it when I was in there today.
I'm back in town tomorrow so I'll double check.

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Huh, really wondering what they're going to do with the existing flyers (specifically the Valkyrie/Vendetta), and if the new rules are going to supersede the rules in the Codexes.

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 SkaerKrow wrote:
Huh, really wondering what they're going to do with the existing flyers (specifically the Valkyrie/Vendetta), and if the new rules are going to supersede the rules in the Codexes.


I think that's the question on everyone's minds right now. Rumor has it that the book will contain new rules in that it will open the Stormraven and perhaps Stormtalon options up to more people, but I haven't heard any other rumored rules changes, just wishlisting. I of course also hope that the Vendetta gets taken out back and beaten down with the nerf bat, but we'll have to see...

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Well if ,my blood angels are giving up the storm raven, I want the strom talon, not because its better or anything, just because.

   
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Well talking about the rumours, slightly, in my store at Macclesfield, in a few weeks they are doing a flyer dogfight game based on the crusade of fire dogfight rules, and there are many people in the store who use flyers. If and when this thing comes out I'll buy it and I hope the stuff is really good, because if you read the rules for dogfight carefully, they can be manic if random, but then aren't all games that use dice.

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Eldercaveman wrote:
Well if ,my blood angels are giving up the storm raven, I want the strom talon, not because its better or anything, just because.


Sounds fair to me.

   
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 pretre wrote:
So yes, you might have have to pay $25 for one model's rules. And those had no online version (officially).


You've gone "Full Apologist" today, haven't you pretre. It's kinda frightening.

Fact of the matter is that these rules, like all the Apoc Datasheets, should'a been in PDF format on the website within a month of the WD's release. Ditto for the SoB army list. Instead they intentionally chose to limit who could get the rules via releasing it in an iOS only format and asking people to pay for it.

And half of the things you listed didn't even have models or the rules were available elsewhere. "Cult Terminators" - no models for them. Deathwatch? They were a conversion kit and they got a PDF release anyway. Emp's Chump... rules would be in Codex: Armageddon, no?

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
But in all seriousness, there's no way GW will change actual Codex entries. Updating the WD fliers that were released before 6th hit, sure. But I just can't see them changing actual Codex units.
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rigeld2 wrote:
Now go ahead and take that out of context to make me look like a fool.
 
   
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 Ovion wrote:
It's an attitude I've never really got, and it's generally the purview of the 'old guard' as it were (though I've been playing since 2000ish, so.. eh), but it's an attitude that's very outdated now - like the old stigma about Special Characters.

I don't subscribe to the that particular view either, but I do see where it's coming from.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Well if ,my blood angels are giving up the storm raven, I want the strom talon, not because its better or anything, just because.

Well if we go that route I guess you can give us back our Land Raider Crusader too, then.

Not that it'd do much, since no one uses Land Raiders anymore anyway.

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I really hope that this will add some actual new content.

Giving Black Templars the Stormraven is alright, but giving it to Ultramarines is just weird. And updating rules to 6th edition? What's that supposed to mean? A nerf/rebalancing of certain existing flyers?

I hope the rumor isn't true about no new models. Eldar, Tau and Tyranids still await a serious flyer wave. If they don't have any new tournament legal content, this book will be pretty much a joke.

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Why would C:SM getting Stormraven be weird? Yeah, they already have one flier, but guess what, there are other armies with two as well. And from a fluff point of view, what Ultramarines want, Ultramarines get, most likely

EDIT: Another thing that's weird that doesn't get pointed out much. While I wouldn't put it past GW to be lazy and reuse art, the proposed cover pic looks like a lazy and mild photoshopping of the Stormtalon WD entry. That one seems to have flying creatures in the background as well, so I certainly wouldn't put any stock to the wing seen in the pic on its own right.

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Kroothawk wrote:FW Aeronautica book is not sold via GW stores or webstore, so it's a different market.
I don't know exactly what is in "Death from the Skies", but if it is just a big flyer FAQ, people will not be amused paying for it. Official point adjustments for e.g. vendetta should be in the official 6th edition update for IG, not in some English mail order only booklet.

Also, the rumour on a flyer model release is completely different from this rumour. I know that the book is coming, I only know some unconfirmed rumours about a flyer model release (the models certainly exist and are just waiting for a release slot though).

Has there ever been a precedent set for a point adjustment to a model mid-edition, or in a FAQ? I'm curious, because I really enjoy exactly how the Night Scythe works right now.
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:FW Aeronautica book is not sold via GW stores or webstore, so it's a different market.
I don't know exactly what is in "Death from the Skies", but if it is just a big flyer FAQ, people will not be amused paying for it. Official point adjustments for e.g. vendetta should be in the official 6th edition update for IG, not in some English mail order only booklet.

Also, the rumour on a flyer model release is completely different from this rumour. I know that the book is coming, I only know some unconfirmed rumours about a flyer model release (the models certainly exist and are just waiting for a release slot though).

Has there ever been a precedent set for a point adjustment to a model mid-edition, or in a FAQ? I'm curious, because I really enjoy exactly how the Night Scythe works right now.


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