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Look at Marine players pretending that allies don't exist, ain't they cute?

BRB, painting my White Scars Nephilim Jetfighter.

Will this be treated as an expansion and not part of the core game? Because if it is not it should be.

It will be as much a part of the core game as codexes, FAQs and lists/units released in white dwarf

If so i really hope they make that absolutely clear, otherwise we end up with the FW catch-22 - it's intended for games of 40k, but only with opponent permission

(not looking to re-ignite that one... just using as a reference)

I wouldn't mind having a book like this, just for reference's sake.
I don't own every codex, and while I do have the much coveted flyer WD with the ST and Bomma rules it'd be noce to have them in a slightly sturdier format that doesn't require me to buy an Ipad first

So now I need the core rules, my codex, WD's, faqs, and who knows how many extra books each year that GW puts out to just play the game. I think it will have to be an expansion and precedence is set with appoc, planet strike, and that new campaign book they just putout to name a few. I believe the flyer rules in that last book are optional for the core game.

They will probably do a chariot book next.

 orkcommander wrote:


They will probably do a chariot book next.

Oh god, a Tau chariot would be obnoxious. Farsight climbing on a hammerhead like a monkey, swinging wildly and flinging poo at whatever comes near. Or Space Pope in a hawaiian shirt and sunglasses riding a drone surfboard through the field of battle like he gives a feth.

 warboss wrote:

 DarthSpader wrote:
so if vanilla marines are getting the SR, does that mean the ST will now be available to GK and BA?

Or why the Dark Angels don't get it either? The only reason I can think of is to not piss off people who paid $50 USD for a codex only to have new rules added to their army in a second book a month or two later. The dark angels have just as many transport flyers as vanilla marines currently which is none. The space guppy and bat-wing are analogous but neither are transports. Both vanilla and DA have access to the storm eagle but that's FW and a different ball of wax anyways. It's just weird that all marine chapters would get the raven except for the DA.

Personally for me what is wierd is that GW have crowbarred loads of S%$T looking new Marine transports and gunships into the game and fluff whilst ignoring those races that actually should have them in the game - Eldar and Tau being the obvious missing models.

Thunderhawk and Storm Eagle would have been plenty good enough............

I agree that the book needs to be clear as to its status as sadly too many people refuse to use the FW books as is............

I think this will be a total waste of money and will not be needed to continue playing with any of the current flyers. It will probably include some special rules or maybe air lists like the armored battle group list. I can't see every player with flyers now need into buy this book just to keep using the already overpriced models that we have alreay been using. If there are significant changes made to curret flyers they will have to update each codex individually with an FAQ/errata PDF. GW is a greedy business, do you really think they will increase the points cost of models that sell like hot cakes. If anything expect new flyers for other races that are cheap also. GW wants your money, so they will probably give you cheap (pointswise) flyers and do a price bump simultaneously.

Those complaining about "all these books" obviously never played D&D during 2nd or towards the end of 3rd edition.

I regularly carried 2 backpacks full of just books around to my friends house when gaming.

Its the rumoured content that causes me an issue - I am more than happy to buy a shiny new book but not a lazy compliation of a few rules that does not bother to address known issues or expand the range of models available to those factions UNLIKE MARINES who don't have either flyers or Anti-flyer defense

rigeld2 wrote:
Those complaining about "all these books" obviously never played D&D during 2nd or towards the end of 3rd edition.

I regularly carried 2 backpacks full of just books around to my friends house when gaming.

So you want to carry two backpacks full of rule books AND two army bags of models? Maybe this is GW's attempt to slim down gamers.

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Those complaining about "all these books" obviously never played D&D during 2nd or towards the end of 3rd edition.

I regularly carried 2 backpacks full of just books around to my friends house when gaming.

So you want to carry two backpacks full of rule books AND two army bags of models? Maybe this is GW's attempt to slim down gamers.

Geek please. Back in my day, D&D books couldn't be carried in backpacks without needing a new backpack in short order. We used milk crates and liked it.

Seriously though. Rulebook or Mini, 1-2 Codexes, Flyer if necessary. 4 Books max.

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Those complaining about "all these books" obviously never played D&D during 2nd or towards the end of 3rd edition.

I regularly carried 2 backpacks full of just books around to my friends house when gaming.

So you want to carry two backpacks full of rule books AND two army bags of models? Maybe this is GW's attempt to slim down gamers.

Codex, BRB, 1-2 relevant other books, cookie sheet of models, case of termagants.
Yeah, completely unreasonable.

rigeld2 wrote:

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Those complaining about "all these books" obviously never played D&D during 2nd or towards the end of 3rd edition.

I regularly carried 2 backpacks full of just books around to my friends house when gaming.

So you want to carry two backpacks full of rule books AND two army bags of models? Maybe this is GW's attempt to slim down gamers.

Codex, BRB, 1-2 relevant other books, cookie sheet of models, case of termagants.
Yeah, completely unreasonable.

You carry your mini's on a cookie sheet? Lol

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
cookie sheet of models, case of termagants.
Yeah, completely unreasonable.

You carry your mini's on a cookie sheet? Lol

How else do you warm them up before a game?

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:
You carry your mini's on a cookie sheet? Lol

Yes. A decorated one similar to a lot of tournament trays. Magnets in every base means I can turn it upside down and none of them move.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Personally for me what is wierd is that GW have crowbarred loads of S%$T looking new Marine transports and gunships into the game and fluff whilst ignoring those races that actually should have them in the game - Eldar and Tau being the obvious missing models.

Thunderhawk and Storm Eagle would have been plenty good enough............

I would've preferred Storm Eagle to Stormraven, just for the looks. Alas, the Forgeworld offering is too damn expensive.

As for Thunderhawk, that was never really a viable option for 40k. It's too large for normal matches by far, plus as huge model hugely expensive, even if it were plastic rather than resin model.

Yeah I agree that the Thunderhawk is too big for normal 40 games but the Storm Eagle is £90 - if GW had concentrated on making a good Plastic version of this it may have been £75 or less, looked great and been in keeping with the fluff.

Dark Talon and its awful ilk are £30 - £45, look dire and butcher the fluff - I hate them ;(

All IMO of course...........

uberjoras wrote:
Oh god, a Tau chariot would be obnoxious. Farsight climbing on a hammerhead like a monkey, swinging wildly and flinging poo at whatever comes near. Or Space Pope in a hawaiian shirt and sunglasses riding a drone surfboard through the field of battle like he gives a feth.

This actually would be fun to see

Any news on Eldar flyers? Pics, something?

What new Eldar flyers?

The ones coming in March along with the book, the rumors say it's going to be a new book (flyer book), a Tau, Eldar, and mabey Dark Eldar flyer, I'm asking for any news or rumors on the Eldar one

Check the first post. The only time the word Eldar appears is when they talk about the DE. No information for Eldar flyers.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It will be as much a part of the core game as codexes, FAQs and lists/units released in white dwarf

Says who?

- You will notice the 'core' game is provided in multiple languages.
- This rumored supplement is English only.
> So more like FW supplements.
> Add-ons. Optional expansions or however one may call them.

Because the only 'core' part of 40k in English only is their digital releases. And this is something printed right?

 King of the Elves wrote:
The ones coming in March along with the book, the rumors say it's going to be a new book (flyer book), a Tau, Eldar, and mabey Dark Eldar flyer, I'm asking for any news or rumors on the Eldar one

That was a separate rumor. Now, this compendium is just a rehash of WD information for all existing fliers that currently have models.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its the rumoured content that causes me an issue - I am more than happy to buy a shiny new book but not a lazy compliation of a few rules that does not bother to address known issues or expand the range of models available to those factions UNLIKE MARINES who don't have either flyers or Anti-flyer defense

Pray tell, what anti-flyer defense does Black Templars currently have outside of stuff that's available to everyone else (except Tyranids)?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its the rumoured content that causes me an issue - I am more than happy to buy a shiny new book but not a lazy compliation of a few rules that does not bother to address known issues or expand the range of models available to those factions UNLIKE MARINES who don't have either flyers or Anti-flyer defense

Pray tell, what anti-flyer defense does Black Templars currently have outside of stuff that's available to everyone else (except Tyranids)?

I heard a rumor that they're going to issue errata giving BT devestators Flakk missile for free...

At least the Black Templar Librarians have Divination...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its the rumoured content that causes me an issue - I am more than happy to buy a shiny new book but not a lazy compliation of a few rules that does not bother to address known issues or expand the range of models available to those factions UNLIKE MARINES who don't have either flyers or Anti-flyer defense

Pray tell, what anti-flyer defense does Black Templars currently have outside of stuff that's available to everyone else (except Tyranids)?

Ok fair point sorry

However IMO Marines should just get for 40K (from the IA Aeroanutica):

Flyers: Storm Eagle, Caestus,
AA: LR Helios, Whirlwind Hyperios, Contemptor-Mortis, Hyperios.

I am curious exactly how rules from the recent campaign book are "cool new rules"? How are they "new" if they already have been printed and released? What I don't understand from the beginning is given that all the chapters get their equipment from the mechanicus which only has access to a limited number of vehicle profiles to use from the days when they were actually designed new, why do they all have these different flyers? GKs and Blood Angels have one. Other marine forces have a 2nd. Dark Angels have 2 of their own. At least one of the Dark angels flyers makes sense a unique craft fitting their background. The whole "chapter X found the tech specs for this flyer/tank/weapon and despite being part of the same Imperium has told everyone else to piss off and won't share it" is getting old.

I don't mind adding flyers to the games. It adds another dimension to play and that works for me. What doesn't work for me is the typical GW method of completely changing the game dynamics and piling all the access on a few forces initially while others literally starve for access for years. Simplest solution would have been adding to each faq for the armies for 6th the ability to turn at least one of their readily available weapons into an AA weapon whether with flakk missiles for missile launchers or some other method. Would have been simple and easy to add to each faq off the bat, but GW doesn't do that. This book will come out and will probably do nothing to counter balance the lack of flyers and flyer defenses in other codecies either. I hope that is not the case, but judging from the rumors it is looking likely. :(

Gets boring when your army has to buy an imperial aegis defense line with quad cannon just to have some AA defense.

Skriker