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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:06:45
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Third Edition 40k had an almost required update to the rules that was only available in WD and Chapter Approved re-release, the Trial Assault Rules.
Either way, there were FAQs and updates bound in a pay for volume and we loved them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:18:27
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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Almost is not compulsory ergo your argument is inherently flawed by your own admission.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:23:08
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Almost is not compulsory ergo your argument is inherently flawed by your own admission.
Nothing is compulsory. This book will not be compulsory, even if it says 'Must be used for every game of 40k under punishment of death'. People, after all, are free to do as they choose and GW cannot compel them to use anything. Ergo your argument is inherently way too full of itself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:31:15
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Nah he's right. The TAR and TVR were never required. You didn't need them. "Nothing is compulsory!!!" is a cop-out argument.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:35:28
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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Nope my argument is correct. Trying to state it is full of itself is merely a poor attempt to be inflammatory.
The rules you where referring to are obviously the trial assault rules which where as suggested by the name trial, optional and open to feedback from the community. These where then adopted in the edition change.
If you want to play 40K then you play with the 40K rules, an official update to play 40K is compulsory if you want to play 40K. Campaign books are always stated as optional such as crusade of fire as these are an exception that occur within the core structure of the game.
If you want to play billy Bobby's basement 40K of home brew rules then go ahead but you are not playing 40K.
You will also note from my previous post what I actually expect from this book my earlier comments where in reference to bladerikers post.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:42:19
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:The rules you where referring to are obviously the trial assault rules which where as suggested by the name trial, optional and open to feedback from the community. These where then adopted in the edition change.
You are missing the actual circumstances. They were an update to the assault rules that were compulsory to use in 40k if you wanted to play with other people to the same degree that a flyer update would be. I.e. The kind of people who care about updates cared and required them for play. The kind of people who didn't care about updates ignored them and played according to the main rulebook.
If you want to play 40K then you play with the 40K rules, an official update to play 40K is compulsory if you want to play 40K. Campaign books are always stated as optional such as crusade of fire as these are an exception that occur within the core structure of the game.
You should tell all those folks playing RT, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th edition that they are doing it wrong then. They thought they were playing 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:51:56
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Nah he's right. The TAR and TVR were never required. You didn't need them. "Nothing is compulsory!!!" is a cop-out argument.
Unfortunately, the Tau codex used the TVR.
I say unfortunately because a Devilfish that allowed 6 FCW to fire would have been awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/12 22:54:59
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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@pretre No they where not compulsory, they where a trial. It was an option for gamers to explore it was never compulsory. If your gaming group chose to use those rules solely that was up to them. So once again your trying to push fallacies to support your incorrect position.
As for playing previous editions that is now akin to playing bily bobs home rules . It is not equal to what is currently 40k. You can choose to hack the ball through an opposing teams scrum, but your not playing rugby.
However you also seem unable to grasp that my comments wherein reference to bladerikers point number five not to what I believe the supplement actually will be as I outlined in a following post.
Take a deep breath, count to ten and read those posts again and see if you can keep up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 00:45:28
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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You should tell all those folks playing RT, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th edition that they are doing it wrong then. They thought they were playing 40k.
 I can do the first four of those, but not even an inkling of 6th. Pretty sure I am playing 40K, and have been for nearly 20 years. Just not the version where you have to buy every little thing to stay current, or you will be chastised.
Also, if this new Flyer book somehow contains new rules (I seriously doubt that, other than opening up flyers to new Chapters of SM) that you have to buy, or you are "playing billy bobs home rules, not real 40K", I guess every gamer that's not an English speaker and can buy this book is kinda screwed then............
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 01:05:04
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Morphing Obliterator
The Frigid North of Minneapolis
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pretre wrote:UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Almost is not compulsory ergo your argument is inherently flawed by your own admission.
Nothing is compulsory. This book will not be compulsory, even if it says 'Must be used for every game of 40k under punishment of death'. People, after all, are free to do as they choose and GW cannot compel them to use anything.
Ergo your argument is inherently way too full of itself. 
It's not just the argument that is too full of itself...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 01:20:40
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Executing Exarch
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pretre wrote:UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Almost is not compulsory ergo your argument is inherently flawed by your own admission.
Nothing is compulsory. This book will not be compulsory, even if it says 'Must be used for every game of 40k under punishment of death'. People, after all, are free to do as they choose and GW cannot compel them to use anything.
Well thats a fallacy.
I get what you're saying, but if you want to stay current and know what you're facing you have to buy the damn book/whatever, otherwise we trust our opponent to be honest and/or knowledgable with his own rules.
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 02:09:31
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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pretre wrote:You are missing the actual circumstances. They were an update to the assault rules that were compulsory to use in 40k if you wanted to play with other people to the same degree that a flyer update would be. I.e. The kind of people who care about updates cared and required them for play. The kind of people who didn't care about updates ignored them and played according to the main rulebook.
I think you may be basing your view of the Trial Assault and Vehicle rules on purely anecdotal evidence...
They were used in some areas, not so much in others. The group I was playing with at the time ignored them, because they weren't 'official' rules, just a trial. They were never an 'official update'... they were a set of trial rules for people to try out to help the studio iron out the direction they were going to go in 4th edition.
Ravenous D wrote:I get what you're saying, but if you want to stay current and know what you're facing you have to buy the damn book/whatever, otherwise we trust our opponent to be honest and/or knowledgable with his own rules.
Or you just don't play games using those rules...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 03:07:31
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Nah he's right. The TAR and TVR were never required. You didn't need them. "Nothing is compulsory!!!" is a cop-out argument.
Note I said almost. Also, Insaniak is correct, my perception is colored by my experience at te time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 05:43:45
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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In the US the "Trial Rules" were used for GW GT's. So they were official here. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Otherwise I don't have a dog in this fight
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Best Painted (2015 Adepticon 40k Champs)
They Shall Know Fear - Adepticon 40k TT Champion (2012 & 2013) & 40k TT Best Sport (2014), 40k TT Best Tactician (2015 & 2016) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 07:13:50
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Yeah but that's tournaments. They can introduce or ban whatever special rules they want.
I know our group adopted the TAR straight away, but were less enthusiastic about the TVR.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/13 11:41:07
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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Either way, unless I'm completely mistaken, they were released at a time when White Dwarf was cheaper, better, more widely available, and most stores and the GW online stores had back issues.
I'm also, as a rule, willing to pay a little more for well (or at least better) thought out rules that replace one of the core aspects of the game over many pages than I am for a single unit entry and a line that says "may be taken as a Fast Attack choice in Black Templars Armies."
I mean, sure, there are more rules than the ST and Ork Fighta in there, but aren't those the only ones not in their army book? Constantly comparing this collection to the giant book of awesome that was Chapter Approved only helps more sharply illustrate the idea that we'll be paying a lot for a very few rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 00:08:58
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Three days till release and nothing on Advance Orders on main website. What the heck is GW's marketing team doing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 00:13:23
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Same as they have been for years.
Standing in the Unemployment office..
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The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 12:51:47
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Things I would like to see:
Vendetta getting a good price increase.
Dark Eldar flyers getting vector strike. (Fits with the fluff.)
The harpy gets re-worked and becomes useful. It is suppose to be our anti air. It cannot damage air. ^_^
Stormtallon Gunship for SW.
If they are just re-printing old rules...man that would be bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 15:04:28
Subject: Re:"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Fireknife Shas'el
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I was actually looking forward to this book, or really what it could have been. I thought they were supposed to do another wave of flyers and update some of the existing flyers.
Right now there are two things that bother me with this.
1.) Why would someone buy this book that's online only? The reason why I didn't get Crusade of Fire was because it was available at my FLGS and was able to thumb through it quickly and realize that it offered nothing interesting. Without this even being available to look through and probably only a vague summary on the GW site there is no information I have to go off of on if I should buy it or not. Basically it seems like they're hiding it to me. Crusade of Fire did bad so they're going to do limited runs vice trying to produce a book with worthwhile content.
2.) Am I the only one that thinks it's odd that SM will technically be getting a second flyer suppliment before some armies even get 1?
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 15:10:32
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Savageconvoy:
1) Great point!
2) They are the chosen children of GW.
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SickSix's Silver Skull WIP thread
My Youtube Channel
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking. = Epic First Post.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 16:38:34
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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@savageconvoy they also shrink wrapped the warriors of chaos books to stop sneaky peeks aswell
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 16:45:02
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Bramgaunt on Warseer wrote:
I can confirm the book for this weekend. 100% sure. No models to accompany it. Direct only, so if you expect to get one walking into your local shop, you'll be disappointed. Also, stores do not get a preview copy. If you want to have a look in it, you have to actually buy it, or go to see someone who has it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 16:52:20
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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Well i think that will make it an easy decision for a lot of people not to purchase this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 16:58:16
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Well i think that will make it an easy decision for a lot of people not to purchase this.
Why, because it is direct only? That hasn't stopped Crusade of Fire from selling out or the limited editions. I already am in the process of trying to pre-order DftS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 17:03:48
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Screaming Shining Spear
Pittsburgh, PA
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pretre wrote:UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Well i think that will make it an easy decision for a lot of people not to purchase this.
Why, because it is direct only? That hasn't stopped Crusade of Fire from selling out or the limited editions. I already am in the process of trying to pre-order DftS.
Because with a book like this, it seems like the risk:reward ratio is a bit skewed towards risk. Nobody wants to blindly jump into a book like this just to be disappointed when they get it.
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Eldar shenanigans are the best shenanigans!
DQ:90S++G+M--B+IPw40k09#+D++A++/areWD-R++T(T)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 17:04:59
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Wow this is backwards. Im happy to use the Raven I JUST BOUGHT but the courtesy of a preview would have been nice.
"HAI GUISE THIS IS GW. WE WANT YOU TO BUY OUR BOOK. MAYBE YOUVE HEARD OF IT THROUGH NON-GW SITES? WE WONT TELL YOU WHATS IN IT BUT WE ARE SURE YOULL LOVE IT! BAI BAI!!!"
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BLACK TEMPLARS - 2000 0RkZ - 2000 NIDZ - WIP STEEL LEGION - WIP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 17:05:21
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Dakka Veteran
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Niiai wrote:Things I would like to see:
The harpy gets re-worked and becomes useful. It is suppose to be our anti air. It cannot damage air. ^_^
Yeah they really need to Errata that fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 17:07:33
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Fireknife Shas'el
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I just think people aren't getting motivated about a book that the seller isn't really motivated to try and sell. No teaser, no preview, no store copy, and direct buy only from a website. I just don't want to drop money into a book that I don't know anything about. The company doesn't have reviews from customers so I get no feedback on the worth of it. They will probably put in a loaded summary of the book that tells me nothing about it.
And really my biggest question would be why would you preorder it? I don't think I've ever had trouble finding an item in stock at the local store or online. Why would you order something before it's officially available for sale? GW has produced subpar books and units. Crusade of Fire, the DA flyers, and mutilators to name a few. I'm just really curious because I've never seen a reason for a pre-order.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
-Tom Kirby |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 17:10:02
Subject: "Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (all rumours in first post, now with pic of cover)
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Ill just go to my local shop and play my Raven at BA specs. Im sure nobody will care.
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BLACK TEMPLARS - 2000 0RkZ - 2000 NIDZ - WIP STEEL LEGION - WIP
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