Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

As a csm and new ig player. i really don't care@for planes ever one brings 3to6 some times more planes to a game. as a ground pounder and mech head i find this rather just blah. its so unwise to use armor now as with all the flying tanks that even care troops. as they will just lay wast to ur armor and drop a squad of guys off to finsh the job of killing. only way around this is to take defense of works with quad guns and hide be hind them and hope for the best.
Side note my group don't play objective based games always last man standing wins type of games our kill points. ALSO I WILL NEVER BUY A FLYER marines flyer look ugly like a flying rhino. Ig flyer i feel same way. i run mech style marines and tank and foot heavy ig.

ok rant over


men of the 506 foot back to ur bunkers and quad gund

ok... thank you for the incoherent post for the day...

Flyers actually got me interested in trying 6th. though I could see facing so many all the time would get old quick, especially if you aren't going to have an airforce of your own.

Why don't you play the missions? We've been playing the BAO missions and I'd never dream of going back to the days where we just played to the death.

My group only want to beat you down and table u

Get a new group then. That kind of group generally makes one tired of playing ANY game.

Type of group what do you mean

frogy27 wrote:
Type of group what do you mean

The type that wants to beat you down and table you. Find a new group if you aren't enjoying yourself, or adapt your list for the meta, it seems you play Mech IG? That is one of the best codices out there for beating flyer heavy lists without having to bring your own, ADL+Quad Gun adds massive utility to mech guard and Sabre platforms are effective whether or not your opponent brings flyers.

Ok. what's saber platform i take a hydra but it can't intercept flyers and you can't get one from gw and i don't no how to make one.

Correction:

Tanks killed 40k. I hate it when people bring tanks to a game, I just want to play with my flyers and kill enemy flyers, but no, people just have to bring tanks and other stupid ground units. I HATE MY LIFE.

Ok rant over.

If you can't handle fliers from the ground, you're not bringing the weapons to handle them. It's like bringing a list of only flamers and heavy bolters, and then saying that tanks ruined 40k.

There is a new class of targets that needs a new way of thinking to handle them. Once you've got that down, it's no different than remembering to include stuff in your list that can handle AV14 or terminators, or whatever.

I've played some 35 games of 6th edition so far, and, at the absolute most, I've been mildly annoyed by fliers. Never anything close to fear or loathing. Nowadays, I just pack my lists full of meltaguns and lascannons. Fliers are hard to hit, but when you bring a HUGE pile of anti-tank wepaons, you'll hit with 6's eventually, and when you do, fliers go down just like any other vehicle.

all of you are wrong..dice killed warhammer, it was so much better when you just went pew pew, or bang bang and knocked over your opponents minis...ahh the good ole days.

I got in to 40k for ground battles not to have a flying game in it

My only gripe is that anti-air isn't easily available for everyone.

I'm currently fiddling with fantasy. Whenever they make enough changes to make cron air force an unwise army set up I'll come back.

Casual play and tournies that enforce rules that stop that kind of crap will always bring me back into the fold too.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
all of you are wrong..dice killed warhammer, it was so much better when you just went pew pew, or bang bang and knocked over your opponents minis...ahh the good ole days.

Are you kidding? I still do that.

lolwut? I mean 40k is obviously dead, no one can argue that point with you, but I think you're off-base on the cause. Squats killed 40k. The last survivors were plotting their revenge for years, and then they finally returned to kill the game that killed them off.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
all of you are wrong..dice killed warhammer, it was so much better when you just went pew pew, or bang bang and knocked over your opponents minis...ahh the good ole days.

Dice didn't kill Warhammer. Fluff and miniatures killed warhammer.

I just want to sit around rolling dice. Is that too much to ask?

 Peregrine wrote:
Correction:

Tanks killed 40k. I hate it when people bring tanks to a game, I just want to play with my flyers and kill enemy flyers, but no, people just have to bring tanks and other stupid ground units. I HATE MY LIFE.

Ok rant over.

+1

As a Flyer spammer, when someone brings cheesy lists like Green Tide or Gaunt Spam, I just want to quit 40k. My lascannons can only kill like 3 of those guys per turn, each. And there are hundreds of them!

Not fair. Give me some flyers to shoot down, or I won't play.

Edit: Now, to seriously address the OP:

Frogy, firstly, I don't know what you are hoping to garner in terms of response, but Dakka is more for discussions than a place to post rants.

Second; Flyers are hardly broken. You just need to shoot more at them. Try some twinlinked weaponry.

Thirdly; if your gaming group just focuses on beating you with unfair advantages, find a new group. That one obviously isn't a good group of people to play with. Playing 40k against people you don't enjoy playing with is a waste of time. I'd rather paint. And I hate painting.

frogy27 wrote:I got in to 40k for ground battles not to have a flying game in it

And you can still win games of 40k by winning ground battles. Fliers don't score. Most games are objective based.

My earlier comment about bringing the right weapons was a tactical one. Strategically speaking, I usually ignore fliers and just focus on the mission, throwing all that fancy firepower at the fliers when it's convenient.

All guns needs sixs to hit flyers .only gun that don't is quad guns only guns i shot at flyers

frogy27 wrote:
All guns needs sixs to hit flyers .only gun that don't is quad guns only guns i shot at flyers

Twin linked weapons get two chances to roll sixes.

frogy27 wrote:
All guns needs sixs to hit flyers .only gun that don't is quad guns only guns i shot at flyers

So then bring more guns. Hitting on 6s just means you need to shoot them more, giving up and saying "it's impossible" is just an easy way to stop having fun.

Im sorry but this tread makes me lol. Flyers are not all that heck im starting a Eldar force and you wanna kno how I am gonna deal with fliers im either just going to ignore them or use guide or pesience on a unit of war walkers and watch those 24 str6 shots do their job. Seriously you play guard you have some of the easiest times killing fliers you have valkyries vendettas Hydra Flakk Tanks and you can get twin linked weapons via a certain order. Seriously your codex is one of the best in the game you have no right to complain about fliers. If your gaming group are such a problem then get a new one. I play in a gaming group where we have 2 competitive players (while they kick my ass constantly im not bothered.) and we also have me and a ultramarines player and a guard player and my partner who is a beginner who plays orks. The guard player takes a vendetta at 1k and one of the competitive players takes 3 vendettas at 1k do you see me complaining?. Best way to handle things like fliers is to generally ignore them

I agree. There is too much disparity between armies that can take 9 or more of them and armies that can do dick about them.

My only issues with flyers is that it makes Assault Armies even more weaker when it comes to fighting on the table.

So your implying that no Army in the Entirity of 40k would not Posses dedicated air support ? The introduction of Flyers added a new aspect to the Game of 40k that was only really seen in Apocalypse . Units would have Dedicated Air support depending on the importance of their operation - You play mech Guard , ADAPT that is where guard is the most damn flexable adapt to the damn game if you don't you die off -- Hydras are dirt cheap 75 PPM and you can take 3 of em in a squadren and they have 12 Armor ! better then a quad gun --- Any thing ( Flyer ) these shoot at will gurenteed be knocked out or severly damaged --- This Dakkanaughts is a typical case of someone thowing a BitC* fit over not wanting to adapt to the changing times and Meta

@OP

I am deeply sorry if you take this personally, but your grammar was absolutely atrocious, made me hurt reading it.

Moving on:
If you cannot take the game, then leave it. The game is "ruined" in each and every edition. Last edition was vehicles making everyone meched and overpowered, not to mention GK.

Besides, if you got a problem with fliers, take Anti-Aircraft guns, makes the opponent have a problem with AAguns.

Also if you think Imperial Guard have a hard time dealing with fliers try playing Daemons or Eldar then you will learn what having a hard time is like

Captaintyrius wrote:
Also if you think Imperial Guard have a hard time dealing with fliers try playing Daemons or Eldar then you will learn what having a hard time is like

I'm not sure why your listing daemons, they have flying MC that has either good vector strikes (Bloodthirster), ability to fire ranged anti-vehicle (Flying chicken), and Daemon Princes can fly and gain ranged anti-tank as well.

It's specific, but they do.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Captaintyrius wrote:
Also if you think Imperial Guard have a hard time dealing with fliers try playing Daemons or Eldar then you will learn what having a hard time is like

I'm not sure why your listing daemons, they have flying MC that has either good vector strikes (Bloodthirster), ability to fire ranged anti-vehicle (Flying chicken), and Daemon Princes can fly and gain ranged anti-tank as well.

It's specific, but they do.

I was mainly refering to the random nature of the army and the sheer fact of everything has to come in via deep strike

Hydras can't hit flyers in less you get sixes sothey ant that good. and i will not get a flyer just to fit in as i no you you have to run them for your army to be any good. also the hole objective games are points less. if you get tabled you lose it easier to do that then take objective. air power really helps if you want to table people and just out right win games. big reason i want do trounys any more all about how fast you can table your opponent. not how many objectives you got. seems that a game that should be fun and friendly is very way opposite it all about wining and bashing the hell out of peoples armys.

frogy27 wrote:
Hydras can't hit flyers in less you get sixes sothey ant that good. and i will not get a flyer just to fit in as i no you you have to run them for your army to be any good. also the hole objective games are points less. if you get tabled you lose it easier to do that then take objective. air power really helps if you want to table people and just out right win games. big reason i want do trounys any more all about how fast you can table your opponent. not how many objectives you got. seems that a game that should be fun and friendly is very way opposite it all about wining and bashing the hell out of peoples armys.

Erm, nor to sure about the rest of your post, but hydra's have skyfire and have long range and are twinlinked BS 3, so they murder most flyers as intended, sure they suck against ground targets now, but for 75 points you could do worse.