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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I kinda like that, It fits with the tau having a rigid combat doctrine.
Now. I have to see if i cant remove the hatch from my devilfish for the new giant drone.

I suppose. I've been wanting to field an all suit army forever though. And if Battlesuits become troops I have an excellent opportunity to do just that. I mean hell, Faright with his death bomb, a regular commander with a guard, 3 riptides, 6 max units of crisis suits, 9 broadsides, and 9 hazards for Apoc games? Yes please.

whoever said there isn't kroot, I think is kidding themselves. Just because we haven't heard about them does not mean they packed up and left. It means there is no interst about them from the rumor gathers and the GW people haven't done anything to them that warrants, in their opinion, a feature on them. They even have a kroot model in the BRB. Why would they then go and remove kroot from existence?

To put them in an allied codex, to sell to more people who aren't just Tau players...

I think Kroot will still be in the codex. But probably no new units.

Then, when the Mercenary Codex come out, I bet we see Kroot special characters and new units.

 SickSix wrote:
I think Kroot will still be in the codex. But probably no new units.

Then, when the Mercenary Codex come out, I bet we see Kroot special characters and new units.

And i will be happy for that, a seperate codex treatment means more cool stuff (hopefully) Gnarloc, krootox, cav, flyers all kinds of possibilities, I have a ton of kroot and I want krooty ways to use them

I would be fine with that, if that allies book came out right now. Even with an allies codex, it's very ill omen that our basic codex has about half as many units as every other 6th ed codex.

 Kingsley wrote:

Coyote81 wrote:
Well based on the fact that all the battle boxes (Except for DA, unless you make the speeder into Sammel) come with two troop choices.

That isn't true, though. The Imperial Guard, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Angels Battleforces all have only one Troops unit.

Imperial guard can easily field those as CCS and vets. Chaos Space marines come with 10 CSMs so can field two units. DAs work if you field the LS as Sammel's saberclaw, you get two 3 man biker squads. I guess the Tau army can have 2 6 man firewarriors, but they tend to give you more troops, if they're cheap and weak. that why i think stealthsuits are going to troop. That and they still fail to compete with the other options in the elite slot. Still don't know why people choose stealthsuits of crisis suits in their lists.

well..we currently dont know what all is in the upcoming codex..and its not so much the number of unit entries as the quality and versatility of those units, I dont mind a few unit choices, when those uints have tons of options and upgrades.

But again we will have to wait and see, and try not to get a "sky is falling" vibe going.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
well..we currently dont know what all is in the upcoming codex..and its not so much the number of unit entries as the quality and versatility of those units, I dont mind a few unit choices, when those uints have tons of options and upgrades.

But again we will have to wait and see, and try not to get a "sky is falling" vibe going.

Funny how the massive Railgun nerf didn't provoke a "sky is falling!" response but the removal of what, from I've seen and the battles I've fought, is an incredible useless species, is.

Funny thing is I always thought the broadsides railguns should have been less powerful than the one deployed on the Hammerhead (other than submunition), so I am not to fussed about it, railrifle str 6 railgun str 8, railcannon str 10, it has a nice symmetry to it..would be a giggle though if the rail weapons have a standard rule that it was always 2d6 pen though ...one can dream .

The Kroot though have a loyal following and rightfully, they are a pretty cool, characterful addition to the game, I have always enjoyed them, and do not want to seem them removed or sidelined.

Well, they didn't nerf all the railguns. And I think they made up for it by adding skyfire.
Also, in my opinion broadsides had it a bit too good. They were basically an autotake, and now there'll be less "Army x + broadsides"

Indeed, don't complain. You have Str8 AP1 skyfire options. If you don't know how good that is you are out of it.

If that Skyfire commander is true.
We can have s STR 10 skyfire weapon.
THE SKIES BELONG TO USE, CRY PUNY HUMANS!!!!!

So are kroot out? i only ever really enjoyed the kroot from the tau, not liking Gw's new direction.

Triszin wrote:
So are kroot out? i only ever really enjoyed the kroot from the tau, not liking Gw's new direction.

No one knows at this point, just assume they will be there..and think positive waves..

It's hard for me to be positive towards GW as of late. If you look at the magazine grabs, the broad side is 45$usd and the riptide is 85$ usd. for 85$ i could get a decent sized force from mantic. I love their background and lore, and love there models, but with crap caste and the ever higher prices, i can't see GW being around, unless they change drastically.

The GW rumor lockdown has really matured.

Here we are, 14 days from the Tau Codex release, and the only things we *know* are snippets of text from leaked (probably internally on purpose) blurry white dwarf photos.

No statlines.

No special rules.

Not even a solid rundown of what our HQ/Troops/Fast/Elite/Heavy choices will be, or how they will change.

No idea of squad sizes, min or max....

The list goes on. It's maddening, in fact knowing the release is so close is WORSE than not expecting a release at all. The next 2 weeks will feel much longer than usual. In fact it's a feeling much like I had when my wife was about to give birth to our children..the wait at the end is the worst.

Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Funny thing is I always thought the broadsides railguns should have been less powerful than the one deployed on the Hammerhead (other than submunition), so I am not to fussed about it, railrifle str 6 railgun str 8, railcannon str 10, it has a nice symmetry to it..would be a giggle though if the rail weapons have a standard rule that it was always 2d6 pen though ...one can dream .

The Kroot though have a loyal following and rightfully, they are a pretty cool, characterful addition to the game, I have always enjoyed them, and do not want to seem them removed or sidelined.

I must admit I've been wondering if they'd get armor bane / +2d6 penetration and possibly against ground targets only. So vs ground they are 8+2d6 whereas skyfire is 8+d6. That would be a lot better.


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 tetrisphreak wrote:
The GW rumor lockdown has really matured.

Here we are, 14 days from the Tau Codex release, and the only things we *know* are snippets of text from leaked (probably internally on purpose) blurry white dwarf photos.

No statlines.

No special rules.

Not even a solid rundown of what our HQ/Troops/Fast/Elite/Heavy choices will be, or how they will change.

No idea of squad sizes, min or max....

The list goes on. It's maddening, in fact knowing the release is so close is WORSE than not expecting a release at all. The next 2 weeks will feel much longer than usual. In fact it's a feeling much like I had when my wife was about to give birth to our children..the wait at the end is the worst.

Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

This is what I don't understand - we get blurry photos in the age of OVER9000 megapixel HD camera phones. If someone has access to a codex why has it not been scanned and put on darkeldarpiratetorrentbay?? I don't get it! (not that I'm condoning it!)

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

So you are saying their policy of restricting information is actually sending you into a "tizzy"?
You are feeling "amped up" about the new release?
You are willing to talk about this release to any and all in the hopes that they have more information than you about it?

Geez, maybe GW have got something with their Zen-Marketing. No Advertising is Advertising after all.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

The list goes on. It's maddening, in fact knowing the release is so close is WORSE than not expecting a release at all. The next 2 weeks will feel much longer than usual. In fact it's a feeling much like I had when my wife was about to give birth to our children..the wait at the end is the worst.

Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

Which means their plan is working! Your only release from this misery is a massive buying spree on the day they are finally released. It is inevitable.

I doupt it. str 8 armorbane? how far will it shoot?

Vain wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

So you are saying their policy of restricting information is actually sending you into a "tizzy"?
You are feeling "amped up" about the new release?
You are willing to talk about this release to any and all in the hopes that they have more information than you about it?

Geez, maybe GW have got something with their Zen-Marketing. No Advertising is Advertising after all.

Backfire wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

The list goes on. It's maddening, in fact knowing the release is so close is WORSE than not expecting a release at all. The next 2 weeks will feel much longer than usual. In fact it's a feeling much like I had when my wife was about to give birth to our children..the wait at the end is the worst.

Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

Which means their plan is working! Your only release from this misery is a massive buying spree on the day they are finally released. It is inevitable.

Spyral wrote:

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Funny thing is I always thought the broadsides railguns should have been less powerful than the one deployed on the Hammerhead (other than submunition), so I am not to fussed about it, railrifle str 6 railgun str 8, railcannon str 10, it has a nice symmetry to it..would be a giggle though if the rail weapons have a standard rule that it was always 2d6 pen though ...one can dream .

The Kroot though have a loyal following and rightfully, they are a pretty cool, characterful addition to the game, I have always enjoyed them, and do not want to seem them removed or sidelined.

I must admit I've been wondering if they'd get armor bane / +2d6 penetration and possibly against ground targets only. So vs ground they are 8+2d6 whereas skyfire is 8+d6. That would be a lot better.


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 tetrisphreak wrote:
The GW rumor lockdown has really matured.

Here we are, 14 days from the Tau Codex release, and the only things we *know* are snippets of text from leaked (probably internally on purpose) blurry white dwarf photos.

No statlines.

No special rules.

Not even a solid rundown of what our HQ/Troops/Fast/Elite/Heavy choices will be, or how they will change.

No idea of squad sizes, min or max....

The list goes on. It's maddening, in fact knowing the release is so close is WORSE than not expecting a release at all. The next 2 weeks will feel much longer than usual. In fact it's a feeling much like I had when my wife was about to give birth to our children..the wait at the end is the worst.

Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

This is what I don't understand - we get blurry photos in the age of OVER9000 megapixel HD camera phones. If someone has access to a codex why has it not been scanned and put on darkeldarpiratetorrentbay?? I don't get it! (not that I'm condoning it!)

No kidding! That's what makes it so frustrating! I know that they're in my head and i can't do anything about it! I miss the black boxes for this reason....not to mention early access to the new rules for playtest games before the models would come out. Damn you GW, Damn you!

I miss black boxes to...sadly disreputable people ruined it for the rest of us by simply selling off the damn models/codex in the black box early for personal profit.

While I would be a little disappointed to have Kroot left out of the Tau codex, I would be more than willing to wait a little bit longer for an Allies supplement. One of the main problems with the Kroot rules was that they couldn't be great in assault, as it simply wouldn't be fair to give a great long-ranged army some elite assault elements. This is solely why the first renditions of the Forgeworld Great Knarlocs were so poor, as all us Kroot players expected them to be Monstrous Creatures at the very least. If removed from the Tau army and made into a separate Allies supplement, it would be entirely possible for the Kroot race to be made into an elite close combat army list rather than just a speed bump unit for a shooty army.

It would also be neat to have the fluff advance to the Kroot-Tau alliance breaking down with the death of Angkhor Prok. After all, the Tau don't want the Kroot to eat fallen foes, yet the Kroot race is dependent on the practice to avoid genetic stagnation, hence the necessity of the Kroot mercenary warbands.

Perhaps there's a fluff shift on that. Ethereals could realize the distinct disadvantage on the Kroot race without new DNA, and turn a 'blind eye' to their practice of eating the dead.

In one of the Cain books they already do.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
In one of the Cain books they already do.

I'm reading Fire Warrior right now. Is 'the greater good' worth $12 on the iBookStore?

The old fluff in the codex stated the Tau found it "distasteful, and barabaric" at the sight of Kroot eating the dead, but they sent teams to study the Kroot and discovered more to why the kroot do it, so my guess would be a tolerated eccentricity, that the Tau non-combatants would always find hard to understand, and fire caste after serveing alongside the kroot and learning to value and see the Kroot bravery in combat, would no longer be disgusted by it.

The kroot for their part have forbidden their own race from eating or fighting against any Tau..regardless of the state of the Tau.

Again the Kroot have a very Kool storyline to them, honorable and a bit barbaric, and I hope for a much expanded take on them as a allied force.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
well..we currently dont know what all is in the upcoming codex..and its not so much the number of unit entries as the quality and versatility of those units, I dont mind a few unit choices, when those uints have tons of options and upgrades.

But again we will have to wait and see, and try not to get a "sky is falling" vibe going.

Funny how the massive Railgun nerf didn't provoke a "sky is falling!" response but the removal of what, from I've seen and the battles I've fought, is an incredible useless species, is.

Oh on some forums and blogs they most certainly did -it was.most stunning

I am reserving my reaction to see.what other ranged.at the codex.has - for.while.that would be crippling in the old dex - we have no.soilid.ideas on.what it.will mean in the new one.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
In one of the Cain books they already do.

I'm reading Fire Warrior right now. Is 'the greater good' worth $12 on the iBookStore?

I dont think it is that one. Its "Emporers Will" I believe.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
In one of the Cain books they already do.

I'm reading Fire Warrior right now. Is 'the greater good' worth $12 on the iBookStore?

If you like the Cain novels its a middling book in the series. If you want a book about tau that isn't the book for you. It has tau porn for like 30 pages then its all nids and IoM for the rest of the book.