Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Manchu wrote:
GW sales are tumbling?

Also, if you can make money on price increases AND you can make money by shutting down pre-announcement information AND these are not mutually exclusive ... then why again would you not do it?

Anyway, point is, here we are, frothing at the bit on page 53 with two weeks to go. Seems to be working!

They are indeed, or have you not been reading their own publicly available financial reports?

As for why you wouldn't do "that", well; making money on price increases is fine...unless it's being used to "hide" a nearly unbroken decline in volume, which is an unsustainable practice used by companies who's executives are trying to keep it afloat just long enough for them to drain it dry before abandoning ship. GW want to think/actually believe they're Harrods, that they're the Rolls Royce of miniatures, but they're more of a John Lewis, and they sailed past the appropriate volume-to-price balance for that position in the market a few years ago.

As for whether it's working; is it? I don't remember the rumour threads being any shorter back when info was less scarce, nor was anyone less excited by new releases, and if restricting information is working so well for GW, why are they selling less and less units every year?

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Shadox wrote:
Actually I find it a bit confusing, do XV8 and 9 don't have such a purpose clarification number because their equipment is not that specialized like the XV88, but why does the XV25 have one then?

Because the 5 is for stealth, thus the two size variants for stealth armor are 15 and 25.

If your goal was to make Shadowsun's XV22 cry, then mission accomplished.

 erewego86 wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Shadox wrote:
Actually I find it a bit confusing, do XV8 and 9 don't have such a purpose clarification number because their equipment is not that specialized like the XV88, but why does the XV25 have one then?

Because the 5 is for stealth, thus the two size variants for stealth armor are 15 and 25.

If your goal was to make Shadowsun's XV22 cry, then mission accomplished.

I would say the XV8 and 9 have no number because they are the basic chassis. You kit them out your way. burst cannons = 6 maybe. missile pods = 7

Or however the dam system works.

5 is for recon. 2 is a prototype, in this case for commanders. They both benefit form stealth since commanders are more effective alive and inconspicuous. I don't see the point of your point.

I take it from the picture that GW has seen sense and included 2 plasma rifles with the new Broadside kit.

Cheers

Andrew

My point was that, being a stealth suit, the 22 should be a 25 if the number 5 indicated a class of suit with stealth generators. Because the suit isn't, the second digit numbering isn't consistent and can't mean anything special. True, it's referred to as an experimental suit, but it's capabilities don't seem much beyond a typical stealth suit.

R'alai has an experimental suit configuration--eclipse generator, munitions--why isn't his suit designated XV92 (experimental) or XV91 XV93, or XV99 (classes of suits heretofore reserved for commanders)? Shadowsun's suit is no more experimental than R'alai, given their respective capabilities. Because XV armor numbering doesn't care about the second number all that much.

Do we have a number for his suit? It is a XV9, no doubt about that, but does it expand on the subject anywhere in his profile or fluff? It could be a XV92, just it never was expanded on enough for us to find out.

I'm really curious about the possible weapon loadouts for the Riptide. The thing is already tougher than a daemon prince, so if it can pump out enough firepower and/or has good overwatch abilities it should ned little support to break enemy lines.

I'll be a bit miffed if there are no HQ options allowing battlesuits as troops/Scoring battlesuits, though.

 erewego86 wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Shadox wrote:
Actually I find it a bit confusing, do XV8 and 9 don't have such a purpose clarification number because their equipment is not that specialized like the XV88, but why does the XV25 have one then?

Because the 5 is for stealth, thus the two size variants for stealth armor are 15 and 25.

If your goal was to make Shadowsun's XV22 cry, then mission accomplished.

The 2 is for experimental, hey guess what – her suit is experimental. It does have a stealth field generator.

 HoverBoy wrote:

 erewego86 wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Shadox wrote:
Actually I find it a bit confusing, do XV8 and 9 don't have such a purpose clarification number because their equipment is not that specialized like the XV88, but why does the XV25 have one then?

Because the 5 is for stealth, thus the two size variants for stealth armor are 15 and 25.

If your goal was to make Shadowsun's XV22 cry, then mission accomplished.

The 2 is for experimental, hey guess what – her suit is experimental. It does have a stealth field generator.

I direct you to my previous post. There is nothing contained in any official source that Substantiates what you're saying. The number two does not stand for anything.

Actually I was just reading the current codex this morning and it specifically says that the second two in XV22 denotes a unit in testing. But most if the rest of the numbers don't have a canon source, besides since when have GW cared about keeping even major elements of the canon consistent, never mind technical details like this!

Sooooo, GW just confirmed WD for saturday on their blog.
So close, yet so far.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sooooo, GW just confirmed WD for saturday on their blog.

Well, that's what the last WD already said IIRC.
Weird, that GW misses the opportunity to release Tau before Eastern, so parents could buy their children new shiny stuff.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sooooo, GW just confirmed WD for saturday on their blog.

Well, that's what the last WD already said IIRC.
Weird, that GW misses the opportunity to release Tau before Eastern, so parents could buy their children new shiny stuff.

Ha! They released paints to help with all the easter egg painting kids do these days

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sooooo, GW just confirmed WD for saturday on their blog.
So close, yet so far.

Today or next saturday?

 Earthbeard wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sooooo, GW just confirmed WD for saturday on their blog.

Well, that's what the last WD already said IIRC.
Weird, that GW misses the opportunity to release Tau before Eastern, so parents could buy their children new shiny stuff.

Ha! They released paints to help with all the easter egg painting kids do these days

maybe next year they'll release limited edition eggshells. after all, they've perfected the technology for it. each egg will even have its own unique shape, even.

 Jadenim wrote:
Actually I was just reading the current codex this morning and it specifically says that the second two in XV22 denotes a unit in testing. But most if the rest of the numbers don't have a canon source, besides since when have GW cared about keeping even major elements of the canon consistent, never mind technical details like this!

Does it? It's been a while since I read the 22's entry but if that's what it says ten I stand corrected.

It sounds like acti rumors are going to start coming in again so I'm going to drop this thread jacking line of conversation.

I just bought a unit of Fire Warriors before the release as I knew I'd need some, but I've got no clue how I should put them together.

Rifles or Carbines.

I don't want to put them together and then regret the weapon choice when the dex comes out, but tomorrow is my last day off for a while.

 Sephyr wrote:
I'm really curious about the possible weapon loadouts for the Riptide. The thing is already tougher than a daemon prince, so if it can pump out enough firepower and/or has good overwatch abilities it should ned little support to break enemy lines.

I'll be a bit miffed if there are no HQ options allowing battlesuits as troops/Scoring battlesuits, though.

Regarding the riptide, the wd article (and pictures) so far, have only shown two primary weapons;
The uber giant burst cannon (hopefully with longer range, and much higher str)
The Ion accelerator (some type of big ion cannon thing, whcih may or may not have a variety of fire modes).

Regardless of rampant speculation and mis-identification of the ion accelerator that has been no verified indication of any other primary weapon.
(please lets not start the "it has a railgun...I saw it!" debate again, it was the ion weapon from a different angle - that horse was beat to death many pages ago...).

It has been noted in the wd text (and various pictures) that they carry several secondary weapons (not known which) that crisis suits can.
I think a plasma rifle, and some missile launchers have been spotted.

It also has a big shield like device, which may or may not (speculation? source?) have additional weapons on it.

Im kinda hopping it can have flamers as well.

Puscifer wrote:
I just bought a unit of Fire Warriors before the release as I knew I'd need some, but I've got no clue how I should put them together.

Rifles or Carbines.

I don't want to put them together and then regret the weapon choice when the dex comes out, but tomorrow is my last day off for a while.

Just use regular superglue and break the arms off if you want to change them. I'd honestly find it hart to imagine the pulse carbine being made better than a pulse rifle for a shooting army though.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I'm imagining it's pronounced ten/four, separating the two classes... But I could be wrong.

I'm hoping the Riptide at least has the survivability of 3 Crisis Suits. If it has a T stat rather than an AV, I'm hoping it's like 8, but guessing it'll be 6.

There isn't a number 10 in the Tau base 8 numerical system.

That doesn't mean they have no concept of numbers higher than 8. There are XV9s afterall.

I'd really like to see a new troop unit for Tau, MEQ 'Light Battlesuits' which would be the Tau 'Immortal' to the Fire 'Warrior'.

I'd love a unit that was Firewarriors with Jetpack and +3 Sv
Keep weapons and stuff the same. It'd be awesome.]

Gotta say, I'm really stoked for the new codex. All this time fiddling and worrying about 'what army should I play'... I WANT Tau. This is the most excited I've been in years for WH40k

Edit: [XV16 Infantry Battlesuit? :O]

Yeah, I think will end up with Pulse Rifles.

Btw... interesting bit of info, that I heard around my flgs is that Fire warriors are 9 pts each and come with defensive grenades with the option to buy EMP Grenades for a point.

 Archonate wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I'm imagining it's pronounced ten/four, separating the two classes... But I could be wrong.

I'm hoping the Riptide at least has the survivability of 3 Crisis Suits. If it has a T stat rather than an AV, I'm hoping it's like 8, but guessing it'll be 6.

There isn't a number 10 in the Tau base 8 numerical system.

That doesn't mean they have no concept of numbers higher than 8. There are XV9s afterall.

Base-8 (also known as octal) uses 0-7. Just like our base-10 doesn't have a single digit to represent 10, the number 8 is written as 10 in octal.

Bludbaff wrote:

 Archonate wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I'm imagining it's pronounced ten/four, separating the two classes... But I could be wrong.

I'm hoping the Riptide at least has the survivability of 3 Crisis Suits. If it has a T stat rather than an AV, I'm hoping it's like 8, but guessing it'll be 6.

There isn't a number 10 in the Tau base 8 numerical system.

That doesn't mean they have no concept of numbers higher than 8. There are XV9s afterall.

Base-8 (also known as octal) uses 0-7. Just like our base-10 doesn't have a single digit to represent 10, the number 8 is written as 10 in octal.

The numerical designations of the XV (Her'ex'Vre, "Mantle of the Hero") are based from Imperial point of view. The actual Tau naming of the suit isn't what the codex uses.

As a parallel example: Americans have the game of Soccer, while the rest of the world calls it "Football".

Personally I hope they do something with the pulse carbines underslung gernade launcher, let it fire emp or some other gernades, that would make it useful, specially if its has a 12" or greater range.

Double post


Automatically Appended Next Post:
But now no double post... weird Dakka keeps doing this to me.

So...

XV88 should read XV1010?

Puscifer wrote:
Yeah, I think will end up with Pulse Rifles.

Btw... interesting bit of info, that I heard around my flgs is that Fire warriors are 9 pts each and come with defensive grenades with the option to buy EMP Grenades for a point.

The 9 point number has been thrown around by actual rumors (i.e. sources which have had some accuracy in the past).

However, while I do hope that they come with cheap or free grenade OPTIONS* I have not yet seen any actual rumors by any of the usual suspects (neko, hastings, etc.) to indicate this to be the case.

Personally, I don't want defensive grenades by default....sometimes you want a sqaud to die in the first round of CC....I use 6man squad speed bumps like this all the time.
(some times you may want a tougher squad, more models and defensive grenades....I just want a choice).

However, that was old codex - everything may have to be reconsidered for the new....

"unlearn, you must unlearn..." yoda

Ahhh... I wasn't aware of the rumours tbh. Just something I heard in the store.

The ever obligatory countdown continues - only 13 short long days to go.