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 tetrisphreak wrote:

 mh_mini wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stealth Suits are Stealth Suits.

At least that's how the previous Codex did it.

No, XV25s were the Stealth suits of last codex Tau. XV15s weren't in it.

Check again -- XV15's were mentioned alongside the newer XV25 suits.

Welp, My apologies. Never noticed that

I'd like to see XV15 and XV25's having different statlines, points, or rules. It would be nice to have some rules variations for the two very different looking sculpts.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

So itll be a harder to kill rifleman dread? Not too shabby

generalchaos34 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

So itll be a harder to kill rifleman dread? Not too shabby

Plus a secondary weapons system, either an SMS (currently s5 ap5 4 shots) or twin linked plasma rifle. So within 24", the fire power will possibly double with the MMM broadside suit.

Im ordering a riptide model just to paint since its so awesome and I dont even own or play tau.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

generalchaos34 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

So itll be a harder to kill rifleman dread? Not too shabby

Plus a secondary weapons system, either an SMS (currently s5 ap5 4 shots) or twin linked plasma rifle. So within 24", the fire power will possibly double with the MMM broadside suit.

And with skyfire i assume, looks like fliers will be taking a major hit come saturday

 tetrisphreak wrote:

generalchaos34 wrote:
So itll be a harder to kill rifleman dread? Not too shabby

Plus a secondary weapons system, either an SMS (currently s5 ap5 4 shots) or twin linked plasma rifle. So within 24", the fire power will possibly double with the MMM broadside suit.

Also noteworthy is that they will still be able to get the Skyfire option with the Missiles presumably, allowing a twin-linked high yield missile system to outclass a ~170 point 4 Flakk Devastator/Havoc squad off the bat, before factoring in other things such as secondary weapon systems.

You won't have the versatility of Krak and Frag, but still, pretty good for a model rumoured to come in at under 100 points.

edit: beaten to the punch!

All good points. I'm thinking maybe somewhere in the codex for maybe more than the old one there will be places where the FOC slot allows you to take 'X' number of teams of 'X' unit like the Sniper Teams did. Which By the way I haven't heard mention of.

I really wished they would do more standard, even-sided missions with these new army releases. The Tau just seemed to be overly dominate in the WD battle report, but it also seemed like the points values might have been uneven, and of course, the odd mission and inclusion of Deathwatch marines just threw it off even more.

On a different note, did anybody think it odd that they included Deathwatch led by an inquisitor with no real explanation. Makes me wonder if this isn't a hint of the oft-rumored Allies book.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
I really wished they would do more standard, even-sided missions with these new army releases. The Tau just seemed to be overly dominate in the WD battle report, but it also seemed like the points values might have been uneven, and of course, the odd mission and inclusion of Deathwatch marines just threw it off even more.

On a different note, did anybody think it odd that they included Deathwatch led by an inquisitor with no real explanation. Makes me wonder if this isn't a hint of the oft-rumored Allies book.

deathwatch would make alot of sense for an allies book. Throw in some weird stuff like neutral eldar and kroot and you could find yourself an interesting group to play with!

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

If that is true... then the reign of the heldrake may be over

We shall see,
for those with the WD, anything about the skyray?

 Lobukia wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

If that is true... then the reign of the heldrake may be over

8/9 hit, 1/3 do anything, 2/3 get through the invul. 16/81 results per shot. Not likely to scare a drake.

Standard loadouts for HH and Skyray it seems. skyray might just come with the skyfire upgrade built in


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Although i do want to point out that the "shootiest army in the galaxay" still has bs3.....but i guess between markerlights and other equipment we dont REALLY need bs4....do we?

Wolfnid420 wrote:
Standard loadouts for HH and Skyray it seems. skyray might just come with the skyfire upgrade built in


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Although i do want to point out that the "shootiest army in the galaxay" still has bs3.....but i guess between markerlights and other equipment we dont REALLY need bs4....do we?

Rumormill has it that the Fireblade gives an extra shot to his squad, like FRFSRF, so combined with markerlights expect some extreme shooting shenanigans

@Wolfnid420: No we really don't need to be BS4. That would be obscene when standard foot have 5/5/RF guns. If we hit it it should wound at the least. And besides, if it weren't for Markerlights to make us function like a shooty army, Tau really would be boring to play. If were going to WASTE you at range at least make it kinda fun right?


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BTW there is a Pulse Pistol on the back of the Pathfinder sergeant! YAY! No more modding extra carbines into pistols

KnuckleWolf wrote:
@Wolfnid420: No we really don't need to be BS4. That would be obscene when standard foot have 5/5/RF guns. If we hit it it should wound at the least. And besides, if it weren't for Markerlights to make us function like a shooty army, Tau really would be boring to play. If were going to WASTE you at range at least make it kinda fun right?

Good call. I'm kinda hoping that we get Aun'Shi back. I keep seeing him everywhere and i really liked his fluff. Even if hes not the best on the board.

 pretre wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

If that is true... then the reign of the heldrake may be over

8/9 hit, 1/3 do anything, 2/3 get through the invul. 16/81 results per shot. Not likely to scare a drake.

with 3 in a unit thats 12 shots... and what points were they talking 70-80 a model..... so for say 210 points you massively out do ANY other armies AAA fire, also if thats the case i might have to find a way to put 3 broadsides into my CSM lists, because as a sqaud they will be the BEST AA in the game?

i presume the SMS WONT get skyfire and it will be limited to the main weapons - or that would be a total joke....

as always happy to be corrected...

generalchaos34 wrote:

Wolfnid420 wrote:
Standard loadouts for HH and Skyray it seems. skyray might just come with the skyfire upgrade built in


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Although i do want to point out that the "shootiest army in the galaxay" still has bs3.....but i guess between markerlights and other equipment we dont REALLY need bs4....do we?

Rumormill has it that the Fireblade gives an extra shot to his squad, like FRFSRF, so combined with markerlights expect some extreme shooting shenanigans

Was confirmed, one of the itty bitty pages in the white dwarf shows the fireblade's special rule stating that if he and his squad don't move their rifles and carbines can fire one extra shot.

Broadsides are definitely one to watch as potential game changers. Realistically if they can take optional Skyfire flyers will be greatly curtailed-- I'd go so far as to say it would be the death of most flyer-based lists.

If everyone starts taking broadsides as allies every game to shoot down fliers then hopefully it sets off a chain reaction.

Everyone uses sides as allies to take out fliers
Everyone stops wasting points on fliers
Everyone gets over the "shiny new broadsides" and goes back to building better lists lol

Wolfnid420 wrote:
If everyone starts taking broadsides as allies every game to shoot down fliers then hopefully it sets off a chain reaction.

Everyone uses sides as allies to take out fliers
Everyone stops wasting points on fliers
Everyone gets over the "shiny new broadsides" and goes back to building better lists lol

And a heap of second hand broads show up on e-bay for cheap

wouldnt count too highly on that... if people are clever they will mag them and just go back to rail guns with the ole JSJ on them.... or whatever silliness.......

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
wouldnt count too highly on that... if people are clever they will mag them and just go back to rail guns with the ole JSJ on them.... or whatever silliness.......

No JSJ on Broads...just hiding behind ADLs.

This is always the part of a new release that I hate..the last minute pessimism that always erupts jut before we get the actual facts and news, myself I am happy to have new models that for the most look pretty cool, and actually pried my wallet open, a new codex to sink my teeth into, and hopefully some new forgeworld goodies down the road, so before the sky falls in lets try and have some positive waves, man.

Its just I am happy that the Tau codex has been updated, and not shelved as many people would have wished, a new chance to expand the range, and add some more options to the army, see you all on the 6th!

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Looked around quite a bit, does anyone know the profile of the ML that replace the Broadside railguns?

No, i don't know.

Going by what i've read in the WD, and rumors from warseer, I *think* it is a high yield missile pod system. S7 AP4, 4 shots, twin-linked. Most likely 36 or 48" range.

If that is true... then the reign of the heldrake may be over

8/9 hit, 1/3 do anything, 2/3 get through the invul. 16/81 results per shot. Not likely to scare a drake.

with 3 in a unit thats 12 shots... and what points were they talking 70-80 a model..... so for say 210 points you massively out do ANY other armies AAA fire, also if thats the case i might have to find a way to put 3 broadsides into my CSM lists, because as a sqaud they will be the BEST AA in the game?

i presume the SMS WONT get skyfire and it will be limited to the main weapons - or that would be a total joke....

as always happy to be corrected...

Things we need to know in order to assess their full potential:

A. Whether the Velocity Tracker takes a hardpoint(Likely.)
B. Whether the VT applies to secondary weapons as well.
C. Whether every suit in the squad needs a VT. (Likely)
D. Whether drones attached to a squad gain the Skyfire attribute from the broadside having both a VT and a hardwired drone controller.
D1. The BS of missile drones
D2. Whether a squad can still use the marker from their own marker drone.
E. Whether a hardwired velocity tracker exists as an option for Cadre Fire Blades.
F. Whether markerlights can be spent to cancel jink saves.(Likely)

Anyway, it ranges from "killy" to "dead killy"

 spectreoneone wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
wouldnt count too highly on that... if people are clever they will mag them and just go back to rail guns with the ole JSJ on them.... or whatever silliness.......

No JSJ on Broads...just hiding behind ADLs.

ok there is part of this im missing then, they are jetpack equipped now for extra movement etc.. whats the key component of JSJ that they dont have? and behind the aegis? they are larger now too

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I don't buy the Hammerhead/Skyray kit being 60, when the Leman Russ already includes the bits for three/four variants, depending on which box you get, and is $50, Farsight is frightfully priced for a finecast customized crisis suit, same for the generic commander, and the Riptide, oh my. When we already have the dreadknight (awful aesthetic aside) with a ton of weapon options and detail, at the same general size, why is the Riptide $30 more?

Dreadknight is about 4-4.5 inches tall, and arms and legs are not really poseable. The Riptide is closer to 5.5-6 inches tall (compare it to it's base), legs are in enough parts you can make it kneel with no conversion work, and arms are more poseable than the Dreadknight or even crisis suits. Plus it comes with 2 drones.

Hammerhead/Skyray is just new new tank price point (SM tanks like the Predator have gone up to 57.50) IG have just not caught up yet. Probably in June.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 spectreoneone wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
wouldnt count too highly on that... if people are clever they will mag them and just go back to rail guns with the ole JSJ on them.... or whatever silliness.......

No JSJ on Broads...just hiding behind ADLs.

ok there is part of this im missing then, they are jetpack equipped now for extra movement etc.. whats the key component of JSJ that they dont have? and behind the aegis? they are larger now too

They have NO jetpack. thats why they cant JSJ. All other suits have a jetpack. The Sides have a power pack to explain the power of the heavy rail gun. no extra rules from it though because there was no mention of overcharging the broadsides lol

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 spectreoneone wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
wouldnt count too highly on that... if people are clever they will mag them and just go back to rail guns with the ole JSJ on them.... or whatever silliness.......

No JSJ on Broads...just hiding behind ADLs.

ok there is part of this im missing then, they are jetpack equipped now for extra movement etc.. whats the key component of JSJ that they dont have? and behind the aegis? they are larger now too

its been a while since ive picked up my tau codex...but they are not jetpack equipped.
When you put together your broadside there are panels that you place over the nozzles of the jet pack to sort of turn it in to a capacitor for the railguns.
So its not a jetpack. though granted it was the same model used as the XV8 with a few extra metal bits.

They move normally.
If they take ASS then they can move and shoot but they cant jump back when their finished business....at least...if they can ive been doing it wrong.