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I recall some scumbag in a local store adjudicating some rules in my game, getting them completely wrong, and when I showed him the correct rules in the rulebook he started acting like I was the one being a complete horse's ass.

This was when I started to realize that I don't much care for playing strangers at this game.

 kronk wrote:

 dreamakuma wrote:
there was a guy who did soda cans for drop pods

I've heard that story, but I always thought it was an urban legend or meme. Really?

Honest to goodness! He was told to have actual minis for the campaign. Mostly because either, buy it, or make it from scratch it has to be a model.

I've also had rules lawyers(that were wrong) intervene in games that made me just tell off.

 kronk wrote:

 dreamakuma wrote:
there was a guy who did soda cans for drop pods

I've heard that story, but I always thought it was an urban legend or meme. Really?

'Ard Boyz 2009, our former manager & our other full-timer from the local GW store went upto Kitchener/Waterloo area for the 1st round play-downs.

The store owner let his buds play entirely proxied armies, including styrofoam balls as drop pods, cardboard boxes as tanks, etc... All so that his 3 best friends could 'win' the top 3 slots and move on to the next round.
These morons were also alowed to "cheat-to-win" all day long, including the store owner helping to fudge their score cards to ensure maximum battle pts and that none of his friends would play against eachother.

Perfect example of why I hate "competitive warhammer"

Codex hoppers. I have an army (Sisters) and play it. I win because I have learned to play it well over the years. I don't win simply because I purchased a Grey Knights army.

It's the completely disorganized player I find to be a pain. Well, cheaters are obviously a no-no, but the player who is just as likely to cheat himself as others by not adding up his army correctly. Or when playing proxies forgetting which models have what. You spend just as much effort keeping track of the enemy as you do just playing the game.

 Griddlelol wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Not playing someone because they smoke is like not playing someone because they wear sneakers instead of pennyloafers.

Poor comparison and you know it's a poor comparison. Although I agree with you in general.

I guess I could have been more clear on the comparison. Think of a restaurant with a dress code. You can smoke outside but can't enter without the right pair of shoes.

im somewhat new to the hoppy and def new to dakka dakka... maybe post a description of what a "power player" or "fluff player" is because i have no clue how to vote...lol....

my 2 cents. i dislike players who know people are new to the hobby and use their i guess ill call it tabletalk rules to win games... IE win at all costs? i mean its supposed to be fun right?

 Evileyes wrote:
The one's who don't shower for weeks on end.

aha I vote for this, too!

The most annoying type of player is one who boasts about how awesome their army is, I play against one guy who says Grey Knights are awesome, goes through his codex page by page, week after week, pointing out awesome rules but never actually uses them...

He's harmless though.

The worst players are rage quitters, there's another dude who plays who rage quits whenever he's near defeat. It's embarrassing coz he's in his 40's and it's only a game lol

The worst kind of gamer is the one who simply can't have fun. It's one thing to get yourself stomped by someone who just plays on another level. And it's one thing to get no challenge out of someone who's not up to your standards. I think we've all had some kind of situation along those lines.

But I think it's another thing entirely to have to play someone on any level who simply isn't civil about it. If you can't take fun out of a game and work to make it a positive experience for all involved, you probably shouldn't be playing.

 Raid wrote:
im somewhat new to the hoppy and def new to dakka dakka... maybe post a description of what a "power player" or "fluff player" is because i have no clue how to vote...lol....

my 2 cents. i dislike players who know people are new to the hobby and use their i guess ill call it tabletalk rules to win games... IE win at all costs? i mean its supposed to be fun right?

oh, that too. The rage quitter I just mentioned "advises" new players playing against him to do certain things. He emphasises the tactics that are advantageous to him. He played a guy on Saturday, it was Rob's 3rd ever game, he recommended to Rob that he should put his scouts in a crater 18" away from his units, despite them being scout snipers with camo cloaks, who should easily stay 36" - needless to say, first turn all of them got wiped out and he got a victory point.

 kronk wrote:
Bad sportsmanship, by far. I don't care if you build fluff lists or hard lists, but don't be a jerk either way.

I have to agree with this. Fluff players and power gamers are nothing compared to the Bad Winner and Sore Loser.

Can't tell you how many times I got stomped and the person who beat me wouldn't so much as shake my hand.

One of my pet-hates is the condescending players. There was one player at my local GW who, if you got the tiniest part of a rule wrong or didn't know the most insignificant bit of fluff wrong, would proceed to correct you in the snidest tone you can possibly imagine

 TermiesInARaider wrote:
The worst kind of gamer is the one who simply can't have fun.

Well, there's that too. As a certain Oscar Dronjak, guitarist in Swedish metal band Hammerfall said, if you don't enjoy our thing why do you have to come to the show and tell us? Ofc that was in reference to a guy that attacked their singer and slashed him in the face with a broken beer glass...

I know for sure there's some games I don't enjoy, but I have enough age on me to tell the guys that I'm not in. Needless for me to show up and make sad bitter faces all day, sighing and groaning and making everyone feel bad about it.

I would have to say the worst gamer is a sore loser/whiner. 2nd place would have to go to players who refuse to shower. Agreed.

I really don't care if I get slaughtered by a pure power gamer or slaughter a pure fluff gamer (I use a mechdar list that's about half of each so it can go either way) so long as the game's played in a good spirit and I have fun doing it. I played a necron air force at a tournament over the weekend and had a great time losing because the player was a really nice guy, but equally I've hated some close games I've played because my opponent has been a dick.

So yeah, I'm voting for people who get angry and suck the fun out the game - as grown men who play with toy soldiers we should never take ourselves too seriously!

Experiment 626 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 dreamakuma wrote:
there was a guy who did soda cans for drop pods

I've heard that story, but I always thought it was an urban legend or meme. Really?

'Ard Boyz 2009, our former manager & our other full-timer from the local GW store went upto Kitchener/Waterloo area for the 1st round play-downs.

The store owner let his buds play entirely proxied armies, including styrofoam balls as drop pods, cardboard boxes as tanks, etc... All so that his 3 best friends could 'win' the top 3 slots and move on to the next round.
These morons were also alowed to "cheat-to-win" all day long, including the store owner helping to fudge their score cards to ensure maximum battle pts and that none of his friends would play against eachother.

Perfect example of why I hate "competitive warhammer"

Kindof a bad example to judge a community on.

This is anecdote hilariously absurd; not that representative of ACTUAL competitive warhammer.

People that forget its a game and cant have a laugh

But mostly some one you cant have a good light hearted argument with about things or says you shouldnt be swearing or shouting (mean in a good natured way)

To me the whole point is to get lost in the game and try and make it exciteing and fun like humming the indiana jones tune as your 10 gretchin run up the flank getting shot by everybody and some how surviving

Bad Hygiene
Bad Sport
Bad Attitude
Clutz

I had half my deffkopta fleet demolished at a tourney because the guy was consistently bumping the table, bumping my case, bumping my models, bumping m....... You get the idea.

I liked my deffkoptas! They were my centerpiece units of my "Arrer Forz", but now they are a bunch of crash&burn victims.

You know, I'm reminded of an old and wise WH40K board poster the name of who I can't recall right now. He had a very good proverb that we all should remember...

"The objective of the game is to win. The purpose of the game is to have fun. The two should not be confused."

jmeldar wrote:

So yeah, I'm voting for people who get angry and suck the fun out the game - as grown men who play with toy soldiers we should never take ourselves too seriously!

Speak for yourself. :p

As a social-phobe who barely goes outside his house; I always shower before I ever leave the house for ANY occasion but I'm always paranoid.

Oh god, don't let me be a smelly one.

Spetulhu wrote:
You know, I'm reminded of an old and wise WH40K board poster the name of who I can't recall right now. He had a very good proverb that we all should remember...

"The objective of the game is to win. The purpose of the game is to have fun. The two should not be confused."

That earned a +1 and I'm going to use that quote.

I must admit i have a bad habit of "rule discussing", at times i kinda dont understand how a rule works and get a bit worked up about it and such, it kinda is like that in every game i dont quite understand the rules yet and i am kinda paranoid to being cheated.

Hopefully i dont have much of these tendencies anymore as i mostly enjoy playing the game and having a fun time.

My annoyances of people i dislike in games is those who misunderstand my army discussions as "whining", as i try to discuss my list and tactics as i go and i get "stop whining and play the game!" and i go "um...sorry? is it wrong to ask how i can improve?"

And then we have those people who go in and complain of your list, tactics and way to play... "you shouldnt take this, and you shouldnt do that"

Dracoknight wrote:
I must admit i have a bad habit of "rule discussing", at times i kinda dont understand how a rule works and get a bit worked up about it and such, it kinda is like that in every game i dont quite understand the rules yet and i am kinda paranoid to being cheated.

Hopefully i dont have much of these tendencies anymore as i mostly enjoy playing the game and having a fun time.

My annoyances of people i dislike in games is those who misunderstand my army discussions as "whining", as i try to discuss my list and tactics as i go and i get "stop whining and play the game!" and i go "um...sorry? is it wrong to ask how i can improve?"

And then we have those people who go in and complain of your list, tactics and way to play... "you shouldnt take this, and you shouldnt do that"

you get total tossers regardless of whether they are a fluff bunny or power gamer (fluff bunnies are nice to troll on the odd occasion )


we all have our moments but some just take it too far..

though as an anecdote, over the weekend i had to look after a 12 year old who came to the gaming day at my club on Saturday. Saying that he was a real blast, despite him being the youngest person in the room! he did play the 'picking on me card' once or twice but he turned into a bit of a troll after his little army started smashing face (muggins here was the back up lol despite him having 1k and me 4k... lol) if he starts coming in the future we have a good plyer right there. No doubt we will corrupt him sooner or later, the taint of chaos gets everyone you know

We don't get a lot of that anymore in our club, it's dwindled down to a solid core of players, many who are mates outside of the hobby. But I remember a time when our club was part of a wargaming store, and we got some... memorable characters every now and then.

Always, I remember one particulair player first. He was not a bad guy, but really, really smelly. I can't for the life of me remember what he played, but I do remember him eating an insane ammount of salami snacks every day, and once he returned from the bathroom, followed by a stench you could smell throughout the entire store. I was a lot younger back then, and half jokingly asked if he was rotting on the inside. Kinda feel bad about that now, maybe I should have given him some dietary tips or something. Or a can of deodorant.

I remember another player, he was very creepy towards girl gamers. He was me. Yeah, I was that guy. I still feel pretty ashamed (and baffled) about my behaviour, but that's all in the past now.

Much more recently, long after the store closed down, there was this guy, he was a friend of many of us, but he just could not take bad luck and defeat very well. He may have had the most overpowered decks in MGTG, but his warhammer lists were usually... odd. Often they had very little variety and would either steamroll you or get beaten horribly when you had the right tools. His Fantasy army consisted of two Chaos Warrior units, a unit of Chaos Knights, and some kind of unkillable lord on a juggernaut that could destroy half your army solo.
But as I said, his biggest problem was when the dice were against him. I've seen him throw dice through the club, snap his models in twain, that sort of behaviour. It's his army, he can do what he want with it, but it was still a bit unnerving.

That's about all I can remember, but hypothetically, I'd have real problems with people who have real problems with me smoking. This has never come up, half of us smoke and the other half usually joins the smokers outside anyway.
It's a nice little break during a game, where you talk about how it's going so far, crack a couple of jokes, smack talk, and most importantly, getting that sweet, sweet nicotinne in my body. After an especially stressful turn, a smoke is all you need to get back in the game.
And nobody will ever take that away from me.
Ever.

 Bassik wrote:
We don't get a lot of that anymore in our club, it's dwindled down to a solid core of players, many who are mates outside of the hobby. But I remember a time when our club was part of a wargaming store, and we got some... memorable characters every now and then.

Always, I remember one particulair player first. He was not a bad guy, but really, really smelly. I can't for the life of me remember what he played, but I do remember him eating an insane ammount of salami snacks every day, and once he returned from the bathroom, followed by a stench you could smell throughout the entire store. I was a lot younger back then, and half jokingly asked if he was rotting on the inside. Kinda feel bad about that now, maybe I should have given him some dietary tips or something. Or a can of deodorant.

I remember another player, he was very creepy towards girl gamers. He was me. Yeah, I was that guy. I still feel pretty ashamed (and baffled) about my behaviour, but that's all in the past now.

Much more recently, long after the store closed down, there was this guy, he was a friend of many of us, but he just could not take bad luck and defeat very well. He may have had the most overpowered decks in MGTG, but his warhammer lists were usually... odd. Often they had very little variety and would either steamroll you or get beaten horribly when you had the right tools. His Fantasy army consisted of two Chaos Warrior units, a unit of Chaos Knights, and some kind of unkillable lord on a juggernaut that could destroy half your army solo.
But as I said, his biggest problem was when the dice were against him. I've seen him throw dice through the club, snap his models in twain, that sort of behaviour. It's his army, he can do what he want with it, but it was still a bit unnerving.

That's about all I can remember, but hypothetically, I'd have real problems with people who have real problems with me smoking. This has never come up, half of us smoke and the other half usually joins the smokers outside anyway.
It's a nice little break during a game, where you talk about how it's going so far, crack a couple of jokes, smack talk, and most importantly, getting that sweet, sweet nicotinne in my body. After an especially stressful turn, a smoke is all you need to get back in the game.
And nobody will ever take that away from me.
Ever.

I'm fine with smokers who want to smoke as long as they go outside, the smoke tends to hang in the air otherwise. My father switched to E-cigs but before that I was rather used to tobacco smoke in the air, these years, however, it would probably be really irritating to my airways.
I can't understand the people who feel the need to go off on a tirade attacking smokers even if they're outside in a biting wind.
Cannabis smokers, however; Smell. Not want, lol. (Also Illegal here).

Rustgob wrote:

I'm fine with smokers who want to smoke as long as they go outside, the smoke tends to hang in the air otherwise. My father switched to E-cigs but before that I was rather used to tobacco smoke in the air, these years, however, it would probably be really irritating to my airways.
I can't understand the people who feel the need to go off on a tirade attacking smokers even if they're outside in a biting wind.
Cannabis smokers, however; Smell. Not want, lol. (Also Illegal here).

Cheers mate. We don't want smoke hanging around our gaming area either.
And cannabis is no problem here, it's legal(ish). You'd be surprised how well it goes with tabletop gaming. As for the smell, well, again, we all smoke outside.

 Bassik wrote:

Rustgob wrote:

I'm fine with smokers who want to smoke as long as they go outside, the smoke tends to hang in the air otherwise. My father switched to E-cigs but before that I was rather used to tobacco smoke in the air, these years, however, it would probably be really irritating to my airways.
I can't understand the people who feel the need to go off on a tirade attacking smokers even if they're outside in a biting wind.
Cannabis smokers, however; Smell. Not want, lol. (Also Illegal here).

Cheers mate. We don't want smoke hanging around our gaming area either.
And cannabis is no problem here, it's legal(ish). You'd be surprised how well it goes with tabletop gaming. As for the smell, well, again, we all smoke outside.

I can imagine a few people like to smoke the stuff when tabletop gaming, but tastes vary and the smell of cannabis gets right up my nostrils and not in a pleasant way.
I generally don't mind the pot smokers, as long as they keep some distance, hehe.

I always hate it when you get the ravers who break their models. It's an uncomfortable event to watch not to mention the models themselves are expensive. I feel bad for the models. Poor little guys :( in my head I'm thinking if you we're mine I'd take care off you.

As far as smokers, it doesn't bother me. I used to smoke and even after I quit it still smells so good. My favorite is when their smoking camels. Like smelling warm apple pie.

I do find the pot smokers funny though. They try to be all low key but its kind hard to do when you smell like you just rolled around in a stink weed patch. Get the really sharp/bitter smell. It seems stronger than cig smoke in cloths too.

 wowsmash wrote:
I always hate it when you get the ravers who break their models. It's an uncomfortable event to watch not to mention the models themselves are expensive. I feel bad for the models. Poor little guys :( in my head I'm thinking if you we're mine I'd take care off you.

As far as smokers, it doesn't bother me. I used to smoke and even after I quit it still smells so good. My favorite is when their smoking camels. Like smelling warm apple pie.

I do find the pot smokers funny though. They try to be all low key but its kind hard to do when you smell like you just rolled around in a stink weed patch. Get the really sharp/bitter smell. It seems stronger than cig smoke in cloths too.

Totally agree to all of that. I never minded the smell of regular cigs, smelt kind of nice; but I get pretty congested with dust and stuff lately so I can't imagine the smoke will agree with em anymore lol. Just absolutely can't stand the smell of pot; It simply does not agree with me.

I've never witnessed a lunatic breaking his models, but I'm such a softie, I can't even tough to a bloody stuffed animal. They're innocent! >.>