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Argh thinking of panic buying a small bfg space marine force, havent had time to even start the literature for gothic, whats a good cheap small force???? Thinking based around a strike cruiser and some frigates, any quick suggestions?!

Depends on what points cost you're looking at. Given the cost of a Strike Cruiser, however, you probably won't be able to just get one.

- Battle Barge
- Strike Cruiser x3
- Nova Class Frigate (Blister x1)

Should be more than enough to bring you up to 1000.

Alternatively, try:
- Strike Cruiser x6
- Nova Class Frigate (Blister x1)

If you really don't want to use big ships. And that is if you want to stick to a plain Codex Astartes Fleet. I feel it would be better to get some Plastic Imperial Cruisers to round out the force and play the Armageddon Fleet.

The points and list building are relatively simple for the SM, with only two capital ship types (Strike Cruisers and Battle Barges), it shouldn't be that hard. Go to the Resources section of the BFG page and download the rules. They're free. Lastly, I see you are in Australia, from your profile, and that'll mean "good news" for you - everything's still available down under I think.

Good hunting pax_imperialis.

Generally a Battle Barge, 2-3 Strike Cruisers and a single blister of each of the escorts should give you a solid 1500pt fleet. If I remember point costs at all well....

Indeed, one Battle Barge, three Strike Cruisers and one of each Escort blister would put you at:

- Battle Barge
- 3x Strike Cruisers
- 3x Nova,
- 4x Hunter,
- 4x Gladius
1350 points

Add to that your compulsory Fleet Commander, Terminator Boarding Party and Two Re-rolls, and you are 1500 exactly.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Who was that that had the 3d printed ganger chicks?

Looks like I need to do some shopping.

the link was mentioned already, but I have some of the Miner Girl figures..

here is a WIP (close to done) of 2 of them that I had done as a commission..



to clarify.. my models, someone elses paint skills (mine are not good.. )

The website links to the rules have gone, enquiry with GW got the following reply
"You are welcome to pass on any PDFs that you have relating to these rules but for legal reasons you won't be able to advertise them on any websites."

The_Real_Chris wrote:
The website links to the rules have gone, enquiry with GW got the following reply
"You are welcome to pass on any PDFs that you have relating to these rules but for legal reasons you won't be able to advertise them on any websites."

They still show up for me, both on the US and UK sites.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
The website links to the rules have gone, enquiry with GW got the following reply
"You are welcome to pass on any PDFs that you have relating to these rules but for legal reasons you won't be able to advertise them on any websites."

We won't be able to? Well, watch us.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
The website links to the rules have gone, enquiry with GW got the following reply
"You are welcome to pass on any PDFs that you have relating to these rules but for legal reasons you won't be able to advertise them on any websites."

"You're free to hand out our free stuff, just don't tell nobody!"

 Lansirill wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
The website links to the rules have gone, enquiry with GW got the following reply
"You are welcome to pass on any PDFs that you have relating to these rules but for legal reasons you won't be able to advertise them on any websites."

They still show up for me, both on the US and UK sites.

How odd I can now see the links again... Maybe a website error? I was not the only one to not see them.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
The website links to the rules have gone, enquiry with GW got the following reply
"You are welcome to pass on any PDFs that you have relating to these rules but for legal reasons you won't be able to advertise them on any websites."

They still show up for me, both on the US and UK sites.

How odd I can now see the links again... Maybe a website error? I was not the only one to not see them.

Maybe somebody got a little over-eager removing them. They're definitely screwy. If you go to the BFG resources (or maybe it's Epic) you get 6-7 links to Great Gift Ideas.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

aoxes wrote:

-snip-

Yeah, these are mangozacs Zeus rows for the plastic cruiser kit. I posted one of his frigates earlier.


There will be a new line of BFG (ish) minis coming out. I just have to get my gak together enough. Mang has promised to do a new frigate for it as a 'stretch goal' when I manage to put together some good concept art for a kickstarter.

Great to hear, I thank you, although I suspect my wallet will not.

aoxes wrote:
I just saw a Repulsive going up on eBay. SERIOUSLY. Is that one made of gold or something? :/

Never tried to get anything 40k and rare on ebay before, have you?

If you think that's bad, you should see what GW cast Endeavors go for. I've seen them go over $400.

Didn't even know GW made Endeavors....Yeah, I can see those going for crazy amounts...

 Lockark wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
House Cawdor obselete? Yikes! Glad I got mine quickly.

Guess I won't be making that cawdor gang in the next Necromunda Campaign unless their is some nice 3rd party models out their.

These Empire of the Dead Brotherhood are a good start, and there's a second set with different weapon options (inc shotguns) on the way

http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=204_222&products_id=1618

They were cheaper during the recent kickstarter mind.

Tried my first test cast of a ship today. Yebus. Why can't they pull Space Marines out of production? Those things are probably easier to do well.

Still, it's fun learning to play miniature librarian.

Just got my order of BFG stuff. That Battle Barge is one thick chunk of metal.

aoxes wrote:
Depends on what points cost you're looking at. Given the cost of a Strike Cruiser, however, you probably won't be able to just get one.

- Battle Barge
- Strike Cruiser x3
- Nova Class Frigate (Blister x1)

Should be more than enough to bring you up to 1000.

Alternatively, try:
- Strike Cruiser x6
- Nova Class Frigate (Blister x1)

If you really don't want to use big ships. And that is if you want to stick to a plain Codex Astartes Fleet. I feel it would be better to get some Plastic Imperial Cruisers to round out the force and play the Armageddon Fleet.

The points and list building are relatively simple for the SM, with only two capital ship types (Strike Cruisers and Battle Barges), it shouldn't be that hard. Go to the Resources section of the BFG page and download the rules. They're free. Lastly, I see you are in Australia, from your profile, and that'll mean "good news" for you - everything's still available down under I think.

Good hunting pax_imperialis.

Awesome, thanks for the advice guys! Aleays wanted to get into bfg, ive only just got back into 40k. Still have my white dwarfs circa 3rd ed when i last played and bfg was huge back then, so sad to hear its going. I think the whole bfg and 40k linked campaign idea would be soooo cool to do

With that sort of rarity on older items its surprising there aren't more recasts being done. Personally I haven't got much of an issue about buying recasts of OOP figures especially when GW didn't give you a fair chance to but them. Some of the specialist games stuff was available for such a limited period it's a wonder they even bothered producing it. See the Inquisitor genestealer or imperium civilians.

Simply, GW encouraged people to buy these games and didn't support them. Many specialist games figures were removed long before this final purge. My only issue in recasting in this regard is that passing them off as originals is deceitful to get the collectors 'value', but offered the chance to get a good enough copy for a reasonable price I would, as would many others. If some BFG stuff is selling for hundreds of pounds, then it's a situation GW created that prevents people getting the models they need to play the game they bought. They're all old models that don't fit GW's games anyway, spaceships and 54mm figures, it's not hurting them to recast that I can see, now they've disposed of these ranges.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but most of the Epic and BFG stock on the Forgeworld site is also listed as Out of Stock... Sad times indeed.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
With that sort of rarity on older items its surprising there aren't more recasts being done. Personally I haven't got much of an issue about buying recasts of OOP figures especially when GW didn't give you a fair chance to but them. Some of the specialist games stuff was available for such a limited period it's a wonder they even bothered producing it. See the Inquisitor genestealer or imperium civilians.

Simply, GW encouraged people to buy these games and didn't support them. Many specialist games figures were removed long before this final purge. My only issue in recasting in this regard is that passing them off as originals is deceitful to get the collectors 'value', but offered the chance to get a good enough copy for a reasonable price I would, as would many others. If some BFG stuff is selling for hundreds of pounds, then it's a situation GW created that prevents people getting the models they need to play the game they bought. They're all old models that don't fit GW's games anyway, spaceships and 54mm figures, it's not hurting them to recast that I can see, now they've disposed of these ranges.

Wont stop them throwing a law tantrum i bet

Which is why successful recasters tend to live in China or somesuch

Actually, recasting without permission is prima facie still copyright (or in the UK, likely design) infringement.

Regardless of whether they make it available or not. The rights to the copyright/design still belong to GW, and that means they have the right to NOT produce any or to stop anyone from producing it.

Nevertheless, it would be quite possible for a licensed caster to come about. An offshoot that buys GW's old, unused moulds perhaps. But the economic viability thereof would be up for debate.

pax_imperialis wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
With that sort of rarity on older items its surprising there aren't more recasts being done. Personally I haven't got much of an issue about buying recasts of OOP figures especially when GW didn't give you a fair chance to but them. Some of the specialist games stuff was available for such a limited period it's a wonder they even bothered producing it. See the Inquisitor genestealer or imperium civilians.

Simply, GW encouraged people to buy these games and didn't support them. Many specialist games figures were removed long before this final purge. My only issue in recasting in this regard is that passing them off as originals is deceitful to get the collectors 'value', but offered the chance to get a good enough copy for a reasonable price I would, as would many others. If some BFG stuff is selling for hundreds of pounds, then it's a situation GW created that prevents people getting the models they need to play the game they bought. They're all old models that don't fit GW's games anyway, spaceships and 54mm figures, it's not hurting them to recast that I can see, now they've disposed of these ranges.

Wont stop them throwing a law tantrum i bet

I do wonder if recasting for personal use would be defensible as fair use in the US (you can create backups of most things without issue, can't see why you couldn't backup your physical goods too.) That might be starting to veer a bit off topic though.

So yesterday, Kal Jerico was no longer available on the UK site. Day before that Cawdor Gangs became unavailable. We planned to run a campaign with Kal leading the Wildcats against the Redemption............

Good News, on the 2nd I placed an order for my Cawdor Gangs, Escher Gangs, Kal Jerico, and the Redeemer.

Bad News, today I recieve an email to tell me Kal is now discontinued, have a refund. Unfortunately this really mucks up the campaign as I've no opposing Character for the Redeemer, and probably wouldn't have gone for an Escher gang without Kal.

I've emailed my displeasure. Why does it take 6 days to remove something from the site as being in stock? More like the staff have pilaged them!!!

Yeah, likely as they know this stuff will be worth a small fortune on ebay.

That's what happened to the Diaz daemonettes btw, they were bought up in the metric ton by employees.

Not that I overly begrudge them, they aren't getting paid a fortune.

Dangit, upon further inspection it seems that my Battle Barge is missing a piece. Time to phone Games Workshop. I just hope they have the piece to replace it.

Update: So yeah, they gave me three wings instead of two wings and the square piece that goes underneath the head of the ship. I called up GW and they're not sure they'll be able to send a replacement because it's OOP and they still have to fulfill other orders of it before they can replace mine. I think that's kind of BS that I ordered before other people, got a model with missing parts, and now my chance of getting a replacement is entirely dependent on if there's one left over from the other people that ordered after me. Oh well, it's not that difficult to fix, just a bit of plasticard and some detailing and it should be good. Regardless, they said if they can't replace it they'll refund me for it. So that's good, at least.

 Darth Bob wrote:
Dangit, upon further inspection it seems that my Battle Barge is missing a piece. Time to phone Games Workshop. I just hope they have the piece to replace it.

GW will not send bits for BFG, only full minis. You may be in trouble.

On the other hand, you're probably going to be able to get a full refund from them and keep the model you've got.

Then it's just some green stuff or spare parts fiddling and prayer.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
Dangit, upon further inspection it seems that my Battle Barge is missing a piece. Time to phone Games Workshop. I just hope they have the piece to replace it.

GW will not send bits for BFG, only full minis. You may be in trouble.

Yeah, they told me they were going to send another full model as a replacement if they had one after all other orders of it were fulfilled.

 Compel wrote:
On the other hand, you're probably going to be able to get a full refund from them and keep the model you've got.

Then it's just some green stuff or spare parts fiddling and prayer.

...And that's the alternative. Neither are all that bad, I think. Honestly, out of all the pieces that could have been missing, that one was probably the easiest to remedy, I think.