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It's a good thing that the country is running so well that the Ministers are using their down time to focus on the big issues...
I'm also pretty sure banning porn unless you sign up to it (that'll be an awkward conversation) is a pretty blunt tool to solve bad parenting issues. While we're at it, better not let the children see any scenes of bad table manners or cursing.
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Its not law yet and it will hopefully not pass through parliament (although that puts a lot of unwarranted hope in the UK political system).
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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But Ms Perry argued filters would make a difference, saying that the killers of schoolgirls April Jones and Tia Sharp had accessed legal pornography before moving on to images of child abuse.
I think the bolded text sums up this 'debate' very well.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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It's annoying, but it is pointless political posturing to the Daily Fail and "Think of the childrun" groups. Just look at the arguments.
Basically it is "Who would want to watch porn anyway? Pervs, thats who. Rapists and Peados!!!! Why would anyone want to watch porn!!!!". Its a stupid idea from a party that wants to be living in the 1950's.
Nothing will happen as it is not part of the coalition agreement, it is not part of the party manifesto and it is not even a draft bill. The Tory party don't even need to do anything. Just by making the statement it makes them look like they are doing something, and people who don't want porn will forget about it (at least until they catch there 16 year old looking at porn).
There are much more important things to sort out, but "think of the childruns!!!" and "All men are rapists!!!!" goes down well with the core lower middle class Tory supporters, as long as you make it clear that by "all men" you mean immigrants, the poor, the young, childless men, and the "weird" but not white, middle class suburbanites (I.E. non Daily Wail and Torygraph readers).
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Enitirely a non-issue.
I live in Saudi Arabia, where the internet is monitored by "The committee for the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice"
If you try to go to somewhere they don't like you get what we call "the green screen of no"
One set of ISP masking software later...
BEWBS!!11!!!
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Every time someone links something from the Daily Mash I read it and forget it is satire, as stuff people like is the stuff that is too close to reality... Then I see one of the links to another story about something really odd and it completely throws me until I remember what i am reading...
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Yes I know it's an Opt-In and all I have to do is let my ISP know that I want to view filth to be allowed to but I still resent having to go on an 'I like porn' database to watch it. Especially as databases have a habit of going missing.
This is really poor lawmaking and what’s more does nothing to halt the really nasty stuff which is traded via darknet anyway. Hopefully this will go the same way as minimum pricing on alcohol and plain packaging on cigarettes both of which were floated by the government and subsequently dropped.
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Peregrine wrote: Sigh. I guess nobody bothers to read beyond the title and see that all you have to do to get around the "ban" is to tell your ISP to turn the filter off? It's a stupid idea, but we don't need to make stuff up to criticize it.
Whats the driver?
Whats with the lack of freedom? Sounds like we have a country that needs a boatload of FREEDOM FRIES and Pronto!
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Peregrine wrote: Sigh. I guess nobody bothers to read beyond the title and see that all you have to do to get around the "ban" is to tell your ISP to turn the filter off? It's a stupid idea, but we don't need to make stuff up to criticize it.
Whats the driver?
Whats with the lack of freedom? Sounds like we have a country that needs a boatload of FREEDOM FRIES and Pronto!
Patriot Porn?
What I have
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Peregrine wrote: Sigh. I guess nobody bothers to read beyond the title and see that all you have to do to get around the "ban" is to tell your ISP to turn the filter off? It's a stupid idea, but we don't need to make stuff up to criticize it.
Whats the driver?
Whats with the lack of freedom? Sounds like we have a country that needs a boatload of FREEDOM FRIES and Pronto!
Patriot Porn?
We called that one "Nailin' Palin." And it was a thing of greatness.
Peregrine wrote: Sigh. I guess nobody bothers to read beyond the title and see that all you have to do to get around the "ban" is to tell your ISP to turn the filter off? It's a stupid idea, but we don't need to make stuff up to criticize it.
I don't have that ability, and I'm not about to ask my grandparents to turn the filter off so I can get my daily fill of bouncingbazongas.com
Not that I'm amazingly bothered anyway, all of my comments here thus far have just been poking fun at the situation.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Grand just what we have all been crying out for a Conservative Government approved internet
The bit about having a list of banned words is rather ominous. This country just won one battle against the Thought Police with the governments U turn on jailing people for being a bit rude on twitter and facebook. Now its happening all over again but this time they get to call all there detractors Peedos, and exploit the victims of crime to bolster there argument.
Howard A Treesong wrote:Apparently it's already illegal to make 'violent' porn, but Cameron wants it illegal to own. Of course, there's some disagreement in what 'violent' means in this regard, as some consenting BDSM material was caught up in it.
See, does this apply to stuff you make yourself? Because one of my best freinds is quite deeply into BDSM, so if she were to film what she did and then watch it, she could face charges? That's asinine.
Palindrome wrote:Restricting access to internet content is almost impossible. Various UK ISPs already try to block Piratebay and various other sites yet it is laughably easy to cuircumvent their blocks.
There are also some very real civil liberties issues here. Just who is going to judge what is and isn't 'violent' porn?
I was expecting this to be honest, after all the tories love to pander to the middle english.
Hey, my family is middle english and I don't support this idea. It seems more aimed at parents who complain about the evils of porn whilst not being willing to have a genuine discussion with their children about it and its "evils".
The British Government: Because pretending something doesn't exist is better than actually talking about it.
Hey, my family is middle english and I don't support this idea. It seems more aimed at parents who complain about the evils of porn whilst not being willing to have a genuine discussion with their children about it and its "evils".
The British Government: Because pretending something doesn't exist is better than actually talking about it.
Well, what do you expect with your outdated 15th C ideas (I think you mean middle class).
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Hey, my family is middle english and I don't support this idea. It seems more aimed at parents who complain about the evils of porn whilst not being willing to have a genuine discussion with their children about it and its "evils".
The British Government: Because pretending something doesn't exist is better than actually talking about it.
Well, what do you expect with your outdated 15th C ideas (I think you mean middle class).
Yeah, but Palindrome used the term Middle English, so I responded in kind.
This does seem a rather antiquated concept though.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
This won't make any difference to kids accessing porn, they don't use their home connections to get hold of it, they use their smartphones, which are easier to hide/ lock and don't have internet history... and won't be subject to this filter.
Also, blatantly obvious - Royal Baby Day = Good day to bury bad news.
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Web censoring at college meant I couldn't read this thread because of keywords. I hope it will be better than this. Mind you, apparently TVTropes is porn according to college.
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Polonius wrote:I categorically reject any statement that there is such a thing as too much boob.
Coolyo294 wrote:Short answer: No.
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4oursword wrote: Web censoring at college meant I couldn't read this thread because of keywords. I hope it will be better than this. Mind you, apparently TVTropes is porn according to college.
Blocking you from TV Tropes is probably for your own good though
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Sorry but I don't get what the problem is here. If you want pron you can still get it, you just have to ask your provider for it. It may be a bit embarassing for the person asking for it through an email or phone call (I suppose).
they aren't really blocking it, because supposedly adults that want it can still get it. Hopefully it prevents children from exposure to this stuff.
generalgrog wrote: Sorry but I don't get what the problem is here. If you want pron you can still get it, you just have to ask your provider for it. It may be a bit embarassing for the person asking for it through an email or phone call (I suppose).
they aren't really blocking it, because supposedly adults that want it can still get it. Hopefully it prevents children from exposure to this stuff.
I just want to know when the USA will do this!
GG
The problem isn't so much the actual blocking of content, but the way of going about 'solving' the issue. There are so many ways around these things it's untrue; it's like wrapping your valuables in cling film hoping that a burglar will decide it's not worth the hassle to unwrap. Anyone who is sick and perverted enough to want to view things like child porn will not be put off, kids will still use proxies and workarounds, and everyone else will simply be inconvenienced.
On the subject of "just ask your provider", a LOT of adults are still living with parents here in the UK both because of the terrible job market, university fees being astronomically high, and house prices soaring far beyond what first-time buyers and even groups of friends can afford, both in rent and actual cost. Imagine having to walk up to your parents and ask them to get the filter turned off so you can whack one out.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
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