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Those are some thunder-thighs. I like it.

 warboss wrote:
It's odd that their marque pic is that chalky close up when this picture has apparently been floating around for at least a few months.

Could just be a bad paint job. Too much paint, or low-quality paint, gives that chalky effect.

I'm guilty of both of these so I'm well aware of the effect

I don't know, but I kind of think that prototype right there might actually be the same one we saw painted.

Defiance put up a guide showing what rewards are included with each price tier. It looks like the $65 is going to be the sweet spot for this one.

The wording for the backing tiers (since it is locked and can't be changed) leads to confusion, though.

Also, they haven't explained if they'll do wave shipping or wait until all of your rewards are completed before they ship?

That 'new' pic and the prototype shown cannot be the same thing. That one has detailing. They are either different, or that is literally the worst paint job I have ever seen. Especially from a 'house pro painter'

So that leads to only one logical conclusion. Why show a sub par early print prototype when they clearly have better already?

Do they want low expectations so that they can easily surpass them, in an attempt to repair image? I wouldn't be surprised now, if the things are 100% done and ready to go. So they can chill around, meet or beat their proposed deadline and delivery date and try to recoup face.

At this point in time, I'd gladly welcome a Scotty from them.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
At this point in time, I'd gladly welcome a Scotty from them.

I really toyed with using a Scotty metaphor in my post.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The wording for the backing tiers (since it is locked and can't be changed) leads to confusion, though.

Also, they haven't explained if they'll do wave shipping or wait until all of your rewards are completed before they ship?

It all ships at the same time, when complete. Wave shipping is $10 extra.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
That 'new' pic and the prototype shown cannot be the same thing. That one has detailing. They are either different, or that is literally the worst paint job I have ever seen. Especially from a 'house pro painter'

So that leads to only one logical conclusion. Why show a sub par early print prototype when they clearly have better already?

Do they want low expectations so that they can easily surpass them, in an attempt to repair image? I wouldn't be surprised now, if the things are 100% done and ready to go. So they can chill around, meet or beat their proposed deadline and delivery date and try to recoup face.

I am betting that it is the paint job and not the "print". Maybe the "pro painter" is someone's brothers, sisters, cousins uncle and they had to use it in order to make the wife more tolerable? Or maybe someone needs new paint, or glasses.

 Barzam wrote:

Did you stop to think that this might not be the only print they had done? It's very likely that they did do a higher quality one, but they're using it to make the castings. You wouldn't want to paint up the one that you're casting from. That would be stupid. They probably had this cheaper one done as a mock up with the paintjob as a test to see how it'll look once painted. The toy industry does this all the time too, doing hand painted test samples and rough mock-ups to show the concept off.

Um. Get two of the HQ ones. Or three. Or six. They're asking for people's money upfront here, after all. A few hundred bucks for best-quality prints is a small investment, after all.


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 noneoftheabove0 wrote:
This may be an odd thing to note, but if you were doing a massive shift in leadership, in artists and virtually everything else, why would you keep the name Defiance Games, which has been virtually synonymous with boondoggle, rather than change the name to reflect a new business. I mean, I get wanting name recognition, but how far do you expect a name with so much negativity riding on it to get you? Everyone recognizes the name Brutus, but you probably don't want to name your son that. I should hope that a change in leadership creates a change in direction, and I hate to say, I am feeling something shockingly close to excitement.

Judas Games?

^That's only if Tony has a say in the new company's name.

Here in Boston, its actually easy enough to pick up Defiance models, so I'm backing this one for the hardsuits.

I wish them luck with the new company structure, I just wish the Kickstarter was more energetic.

 mattl wrote:
I wish them luck with the new company structure, I just wish the Kickstarter was more energetic.

It's probably for the best. A smallish, successful project will do a lot to repair their reputation. Compare Mantic's KoW Kickstarter, which resulted in a mixed-bag of minis (to put it generously), and turned off a lot of their backers.

Yeah, I have a ton of stuff from the Mantic KoW Kickstarter (and Dreadball with LOKA & a LOT of Deadzone coming) -- some pretty bad hard plastic models, but generally their spincast stuff is good.

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 mattl wrote:
I wish them luck with the new company structure, I just wish the Kickstarter was more energetic.

It's probably for the best. A smallish, successful project will do a lot to repair their reputation. Compare Mantic's KoW Kickstarter, which resulted in a mixed-bag of minis (to put it generously), and turned off a lot of their backers.

Kings of war was their first kickstarter, and they have stated they were not completely prepared for the level of support they received.

 lord marcus wrote:

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 mattl wrote:
I wish them luck with the new company structure, I just wish the Kickstarter was more energetic.

It's probably for the best. A smallish, successful project will do a lot to repair their reputation. Compare Mantic's KoW Kickstarter, which resulted in a mixed-bag of minis (to put it generously), and turned off a lot of their backers.

Kings of war was their first kickstarter, and they have stated they were not completely prepared for the level of support they received.

I'm reminded of this fact every time I dig in the big box of random stuff I got for my pledge. If Defiance stays focused on the hard suits and walkers, they should be able to avoid the same fate.

Honestly, I think the worst thing that can happen for a company new to KS is to have too much success. You end up over-promising on stretch goals, your cost and time estimates will be shot to and you will likely be under the gun just to get the product out late and overbudget (and with the added time, shipping increases that weren't a factor when you drew up your plan can kill you). We already know that the more a KS makes, the more likely it will be late due to scope creep and the like. And newbies (to KS) make this worse by trying to set the world on fire with impressive stretch goals before realizing the work it will take.

SJG are industry vets, but their first KS hit this wall hard. They kept on stacking on stretches that increased the box size, they promised a plastic "garage" that ate up months of time trying to get a half-decent prototype back from the factory. Added size of the box meant they didn't have room to store it in their current facility, etc. and so on.

Had they simply met their goal and nothing more, it wouldn't have been as awesome, but we'd probably have it in October/November 2012 instead.

If this KS is slow, then that is probably a blessing to Defiance.

I'm excited that they are bringing back their plastic UAMC. I might have to nab a box of them in the pledge manager later.

There was a lot of criticism over that box when it was released, but I think it's held up very well and fits a niche that very few styrene kits can.

I'm glad to see the UAMC marines back too. Hopefully they haven't decided to spincast them as well. They're probably some of their best product.

I agree with the others, this is actually one of the few Kickstarters that shouldn't be a runaway success. I wonder if they realized that themselves and that's why they scheduled it to go live around the same time as Bones?

No, I think they just made that happen by having a realistic offering and not promising freebies up to your neck. Which is a smart way to go about it, honestly.

If my CC payment went through ok, I'm pledging for a single box. Not a huge commitment, and I can safely forget about them and be pleasantly surpised when they show up.


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Oh oh...

The pledge tier mentions free shipping to Canada, but KS asks me to pay extra for shipping. I emailed them...

Less that 48 hours left, and the campaign looks to be set to end at a comfortably managable level. I would be perfectly happy with no more stretch goals if it means that they produce acceptable hard suit and mechs.

Yeah, but the fethed us real bad with a freebie, though! Straight from the Tony Reidy school of management, I would say.

They give every pledger a female NCO freebie. Which won't be ready until, what, august 2014? So even though the hardsuits are ready in February at the latest... you have to pay 10$ to get them before your "freebie" is ready.

I for one will say "no thanks!"

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yeah, but the fethed us real bad with a freebie, though! Straight from the Tony Reidy school of management, I would say.

They give every pledger a female NCO freebie. Which won't be ready until, what, august 2014? So even though the hardsuits are ready in February at the latest... you have to pay 10$ to get them before your "freebie" is ready.

I for one will say "no thanks!"

It's funny that we all pretend those projected dates mean anything.

"When the endless eye opens and the ancient ones stir in their crypts." would probably be less well received as a delivery date goal.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yeah, but the fethed us real bad with a freebie, though! Straight from the Tony Reidy school of management, I would say.

They give every pledger a female NCO freebie. Which won't be ready until, what, august 2014? So even though the hardsuits are ready in February at the latest... you have to pay 10$ to get them before your "freebie" is ready.

I for one will say "no thanks!"

If anyone's up for free female marines but doesn't want to wait an extra 4-6 months, maybe I could pay for the split.

 plastictrees wrote:
"When the endless eye opens and the ancient ones stir in their crypts." would probably be less well received as a delivery date goal.

Perhaps, but with Defiance it may be more accurate.

Well done, plastictrees

If they're smart, they'll have already padded those deadlines. I think Mantic said the same thing about Mars Attacks...

I think I'm going to back this even though I know, 100% with certainty, that this project is going to be an enormous source of drama, just like the Raging Heroes one.

I don't know why I do this, but eh.


Where do you guys think the sweet spot is if you want a little of everything, $90?

 JoshInJapan wrote:
Less that 48 hours left, and the campaign looks to be set to end at a comfortably managable level. I would be perfectly happy with no more stretch goals if it means that they produce acceptable hard suit and mechs.

Coming out with just the SUV/armored car thing should have been manageable but apparently that ran into issues as well. Either way, I'm glad this is funded and I'll consider picking a box of battle eggs up once they hit the store shelves (but not sooner).