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shadowsfm wrote:


actually thats wrong, in blobs, 2/3 of the unit won't be in range and therefor can't engage (right?)

Depends how spread out the blob is. Deamon lists are often very short on templates. So are Necrons time for part 2

How good is a priest? Math Hammer time part 2 Dlord + wraiths.

50 blob 2 priests in counter attack range from Jacobus charged by 6 wraiths and a Dlord
Overwatch going to simply it by removing special weapons/flamers and have all guns in double tap of the lead model
95 shots 15.83 hits 5.27 wounds=3.51 wounds=tanked by the Dlord
Grunt fails MSS 2 attacks 1.5 wounds=.83 dead round up to 1.
Sergeant calls out the Dlord and gets splattered.
3 whip coils snare 12 models.
32 guardsmen swing with 64 attacks 48 hits =26.666 wounds=8.888 unsaved wounds=4 dead wraiths and a wound.
8 attacks from the 6 wraiths=5.328 hits + .888 PE hits for 6.21 hits which will average out to 5 wounds and a rend with PE=2.77 failed saves round up to 3 add the rend 4 dead guardsmen taken from the whips.
8 regular guardsmen swing 8 is 1/4 of 32 previous attacks=2.2222=1 dead wraith.
4 sergeants with power axes 16 attacks=12 hits=9 wounds=3 unsaved wounds =all wraiths dead Dlord loses fearless
Combat resolution.
IG 12 to Necron 5 Dlord needs to pass ld on a 3 and is likely to get swept.


Now the same for 20 sisters and 2 priests.
39 over watch shots=11.5 hits=5.75 wounds=Tanked by the Dlord
Sister superior calls out the Dlord and gets splattered.
Grunt fails MSS 2 attacks 1.5 wounds=.16 dead round down to zero
Sergeant calls out the Dlord splattered.
3 whip coils snare 12 models.
6 sisters swing 12 attacks 9 hits 5 wounds 3.33 failed save. 1 dead wraith
8 attacks from 2 priests is half that of 8 guardsmen or 1/8th of 64 guardsmen attacks above 1.1111 more wounds.
total of 4.444=2 dead wraiths.
16 attacks from the 4 wraiths=10.6hits + 1.8 more Pe=12.6 hits=2.1 rends+ 0.35 PE rends and 8.4 + 1.75 PE regular wounds= 2.45 rends and 10.15 wounds=1.7 dead from the rends and regular wounds goes down to 1.12. Total of 2.82 dead add .16 from mss for 2.98 round up to 3.
10 sisters swing 20 attacks 15 hit 8.3 wounds 2.7 unsaved wounds for a total of 7.2 wounds caused so far
Combat res is 7.2 to 4 but both units are fearless and it's going to be a long drawn out slog.

We don't know who actually wrote the codex, do we?

Last page in the iBook version says it is written by Cruddace.

CoteazRox wrote:
Last page in the iBook version says it is written by Cruddace.

Thanks, couldn't find it in the Epub version.

shadowsfm wrote:
on the bright side, if they ever update the current digi-dex, your copy would be automatically updated, without having to buy a new one
(it would be lame if they release a new $30 codex when they finish the plastic models)

You can bet that there will be a new digital Codex, once the real thing is released: "Lame" is their middle name
Keep in mind they just invalidated the printed WD Codex after only 2 years.
On the bright side: Any time another miniature mould wears out, this Codex will be updated

Edit: Seems like 40 pages or about 20% of the Digital Codex are copy-paste pics from the webstore.
And there is basically only one order featured in all pics, The Order of the Martyred Lady. Only exceptions are one canoness and one heavy flamer sororitas miniature (with a black instead of red tabard), both uncredited for their order though. Only hint on other colour schemes is the description "red armour", "white armour" or "silver armour" in the paragraph on each order.
No pic of any order insignia.

SisterSydney wrote:Overall, setting aside buffs vs nerfs for a moment, this Codex's rules seem a lot simpler than White Dwarf's, which to my mind is a good thing. Notably

- Acts of Faith as a straightforward leadership test gets rid of an entire sub-system and the need to list which characters give what bonus. (I do miss the ability to concentrate Faith on a key unit, though the Simulacrum sort of does that).

Yeah, well, only if you are playing Warmachine and therefore have LOTS of token all around to remember everything that needs to be remembered (How many Acts do this unit with a Simulacrum and Jacobus have left ?)
I already used those to keep track of hull points and health points, now it's going to be Act of Faith too. Or, maybe, just Fury and Knockdown and all that, if that Codex doesn't feel pleasant to play.

schadenfreude wrote:50 blob 2 priests in counter attack range from Jacobus charged by 20 khorne hounds and a hatred herald book is being used by a screamer star .

Ok, so are we talking Codex: Priest or Codex: Imperial Guard with some allies from Codex: Priest ?

schadenfreude wrote:Now the same for 20 sisters and 2 priests.
39 over watch shots=11.5 hits=5.75 wounds=3.83 rounding up to 2 dead dogs.

Well, you need 6 to hit, and 39/6 is 6.5, so 3.25 wound, 2.16 unsaved, rounding down to 1 dead dog. I'm pretty sure Hate don't allow to reroll overwatch.

ClockworkZion wrote:So I just found a few things buried in the iPad Glossary: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/codex-adepta-sororitas-speculations.html

Anyone have their own takes on these things?

Armor of Faith looks like Saint Celestine's Armor of Saint Katherine. The Artillery seems like they took another book as a starting template and didn't properly cleaned everything up. I don't understand what you are trying to read into Kyrinov's disappearance, but I think it's just they thought we had too many different units, and needed some to be removed.

I would much rather a living Sisters character from the fluff rather than another male priest............

And yet you got neither .

Pity there was no more Ecclesiarchy stuff added. I know some people prefer pure Sisters, but I'd love a full Ecclesiarchy army involving all parts of it.

Though the new priests are just incredible.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would much rather a living Sisters character from the fluff rather than another male priest............

Given that there have only ever been three SC with models released that would be compatible with this book (Celestine, Jacobus and Kyrinov), and there was no way GW were going to do anything silly like give you rules fir a SC without a model, that wasn't going to happen. I do find it weird that Kyrinov got pulled, mind you - and I think he's still a great sculpt.

I've dug out my 2nd ed Codex: SoB, and there were three SCs that didn't see a model released - Saint Praxedes (almost certainly dead), Helena the Virtuous (possibly still alive), and Cardinal Armandus Helfire.

Mind you, the third one is probably excluded by some posters' allergy to male members of the Ecclesiarchy in an admy which acts as their military arm...

I doubt that GW are bothered what people say on the forum - I didn't say it was going to happen - just that I would have prefered it.

A nuymber of SC's are dead - its makes no diffrence.

Plus you think its better to have more Priests - ie non Adepta Sororitas characters - in a Adepta Sororitas Codex.

You were the one who mentioned a "living Sisters character", Mr Morden, not me.

And I'm not making a value judgement as to the balance of AS characters versus those of other agencies in their books to date. I was just observing that it was odd to remove an existing chsrscter, with a model, from the book.

GW seems to do things 70% good, and 30% garbage or random.
Sisters are the army for the Ecclesiarchy. Shouldn't they have better equipment? Blessed bolts, or Inferno bolts should be available to all units for a price.. It is a shooty army, they should be able to shoot better. Instead all that is taken away. Acts of Faith once per battle, when other armies have abilities that they can use the whole game? Rending ONCE, maybe twice per battle ONLY if you pass your Ld, and then ONLY if you roll 6s, and that's it. Why? Why take Stormbolters? If half of your Battle Sister troops could replace their Bolters with Stormbolters, then that would be better.

Priests are leaders whose Ld(7) is less that a normal troop(8), and they get War Hymns that they test off their Ld? Why?

Celestians AoF is for close combat, and they don't have access to CC weapons? Why?

No Skyfire? Why?

Eviscerator 30 points that only a Cannoness or a Priest (WS 3) can use. Why?

Mace of Valaan only a Priest (WS 3) can use. Why?

$700 for a one click army, when others are half that price or less. Why?

GW doesn't understand games, gamers or how to run a business. Just my opinion.


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Also no flyer and no assault vehicle. WHY?

They have Power Armour and Bolters. That is the best equipment available already.

I was hoping we'd see Ephrael Stern when I saw there is even a picture of her in the book...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Armor of Faith looks like Saint Celestine's Armor of Saint Katherine.

Well statwise yes, but like I mentioned, the link on the page points to the Canoness page. I think its wargear that got pulled.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The Artillery seems like they took another book as a starting template and didn't properly cleaned everything up.

Quite possible, yes.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I don't understand what you are trying to read into Kyrinov's disappearance, but I think it's just they thought we had too many different units, and needed some to be removed.

He was an HQ choice and taking him away didn't thin down our unit selection much. I think that someone in GW higher up decided to not approve a new Kyrinov mold, and the Dev team had to pull him out of the codex fairly late in their short development cycle, but changed things so we could still use the model if we have him.

 Still Standing wrote:
They have Power Armour and Bolters. That is the best equipment available already.

Artificer armor and stormbolter. The Celestians should have that. At least.

Still Standing,

Power Armor is great, but Bolters are standard equipment to all non-Imperial Guard units. Standard equipment for the emperor's "chosen" seems odd without some extra upgrade, like blessed bolts or something like that.

And the Canoness should at least get the option to take War Hymns -- it's in her fluff, for God-Emperor's sake! Also Artificer Armour. So I homebrewed them (and a lot of other stuff for her).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well statwise yes, but like I mentioned, the link on the page points to the Canoness page. I think its wargear that got pulled.

With the mantle, the cape and an eviscerator, that would have made for a powerful, even though expensive, canoness. How course, they had to remove it. Powerful character must be marines or xenos only.

Wwbushidow wrote:
Still Standing,

Power Armor is great, but Bolters are standard equipment to all non-Imperial Guard units. Standard equipment for the emperor's "chosen" seems odd without some extra upgrade, like blessed bolts or something like that.

So standard for the top 0.01% of the Imperiums armies?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well statwise yes, but like I mentioned, the link on the page points to the Canoness page. I think its wargear that got pulled.

With the mantle, the cape and an eviscerator, that would have made for a powerful, even though expensive, canoness. How course, they had to remove it. Powerful character must be marines or xenos only.

You can only pick 1 relic so no it wouldn't have.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You can only pick 1 relic so no it wouldn't have.

They really, really, really want us to suck !


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 Still Standing wrote:
So standard for the top 0.01% of the Imperiums armies?

Do you mean that Sisters having bolter really succeed in conveying the idea that they are the elite troops of the richest and most powerful of all the Imperium's organizations, with often two, three or more representatives among the High Lords of Terra ?
Does “My Canoness has a power armor and a bolter” convey in any way this idea ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You can only pick 1 relic so no it wouldn't have.

They really, really, really want us to suck !

Someone over on Faeit pointed out that Armor of Faith is from the Emperor's Champion entry. So perhaps a reused template and a failed to be deleted entry from the Glossary, or something they were considering adding to the army. Interesting either way.

Yes, because the only people who can afford such equipment are Sisters and Space Marines.

Any comments by the fans that no insignia and no pics of other orders than Martyred Lady are featured?
Can we agree that this is a major and uncalled for flaw?

ClockworkZion wrote:Someone over on Faeit pointed out that Armor of Faith is from the Emperor's Champion entry.

You have your explanation, then. Reusing the Marines template was logical, because of all the shared equipment.

Still Standing wrote:Yes, because the only people who can afford such equipment are Sisters and Space Marines.

Since half the armies in the game are space marine, AND space marines have, like, hundreds of better wargear than that, no. It doesn't. Maybe it does for you, but not for anyone else.
Not to mention that Inquisitors have access to power armor and bolter, along better wargear, so no, Sisters and Marines are not the only one to which they are available. Actually, the only one to which it's unavailable, as far as we can see, is the Imperial Guard.

 Still Standing wrote:
Yes, because the only people who can afford such equipment are Sisters and Space Marines.

Well apart from Inquisitors, their henchpeople, Rogue Traders and the Mechanicum - all of whom can have these or better

 Kroothawk wrote:
Any comments by the fans that no insignia and no pics of other orders than Martyred Lady are featured?
Can we agree that this is a major and uncalled for flaw?

It's a reoccurring problem frankly and extends beyond this book. It's like GW forgets other orders exist.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:Someone over on Faeit pointed out that Armor of Faith is from the Emperor's Champion entry.

You have your explanation, then. Reusing the Marines template was logical, because of all the shared equipment.

Still Standing wrote:Yes, because the only people who can afford such equipment are Sisters and Space Marines.

Since half the armies in the game are space marine, AND space marines have, like, hundreds of better wargear than that, no. It doesn't. Maybe it does for you, but not for anyone else.
Not to mention that Inquisitors have access to power armor and bolter, along better wargear, so no, Sisters and Marines are not the only one to which they are available. Actually, the only one to which it's unavailable, as far as we can see, is the Imperial Guard.

You're making a fallacy here. Just because half the armies we have available in the game are Marines it doesn't mean half the armies in the setting are which is what matters more for purposes of how it "feels".

Also, ain't it funny how all the feedback on GW Digital's page is extremely positive, while on every forum I go to, it ranges from mixed to very bad ? I remember seeing a very very negative one on their page, but it seems it somehow gone now .


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Just because half the armies we have available in the game are Marines it doesn't mean half the armies in the setting are which is what matters more for purposes of how it "feels".

No. Really, it's what army we regularly face that determine how one feel when facing a new one. If one face bolters 70% of the time, when facing Sisters, one thinks “It's the same as usual, but really weaker”. Not “this is a very powerful and rare weapon”. It's really the other way around, the fact space marines are rare in the fluff doesn't mean anything when playing the game.
It's the reason why everything introduced in Inquisitor, the game, was before way way weaker in every aspect than a space marine, and became way way stronger when it made it into 40K. Just look at the arcoflagellant ! According to the Inquisitor profile, it would be some S3T3A1 model without feel no pain.

I can assure you no-one ever ever described my sisters as “elite”. They were just “space marine light”. And now our (only real) HQ the Canoness is more like “joke character”. Any other codex bar Imperial Guard can make HQ that will eat ours for breakfast, and IG HQ give a lot of very good boost to their army, while ours don't. Oh, that's so going to make our army feels elite and well equipped when EVERY OTHER ARMY bar Imperial Guard can bring better wargear for their HQ.

C:WH is where you should be looking for the old version of the Arco. For comparative purposes I mean.

And when it comes to what the army is equipped with fluff matters more than anyones feels based on what they see on the table top. Just because you see Botlers a lot doesn't make them the wide spread available option in the setting so it's still "elite". You're arguing that you think it needs to be elite AND needs to feel special on the tabletop which is something I think are two different things.