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 Theophony wrote:


I'm in if the kickstarter is cheap, low model count. If it's massed hordes forget it. It would be great if the game is scale able for whatever size you want to play, but not getting my hopes up. Also sad I threw out those busted plastic Easter eggs a few weeks ago, could use them as stand in alien eggs.

Was about to say you could probably make some decent stand-ins out of a bit of greenstuff and the little container things from the kinder eggs, but then noticed you're US :I

 Theophony wrote:

I'm in if the kickstarter is cheap, low model count. If it's massed hordes forget it. It would be great if the game is scale able for whatever size you want to play, but not getting my hopes up. Also sad I threw out those busted plastic Easter eggs a few weeks ago, could use them as stand in alien eggs.

It seems like the 'classic' setup for an AVP game would be a squad-ish of Colonial Marines vs. a large number of respawning aliens. It could be kind of a neat designs pace if the base Alien is pretty 'cheap' points wise, with the expected 'solo' veteran types and specialists, but the interesting part of the Aliens list is buying traps, places to respawn from (the Alien player 'pays' for vent access, or egg rooms, or similar, etc. Main issue is it could make modular scenery a requirement. OTOH, imagine something like the Super Dungeon Explore game, but with a dark and gritty feel. The Colonial Marines have to raid the Alien's "dungeon" and the Alien player plays small squads of Aliens in different configs until finally able to play the 'boss' (Alien Queen).

The Predators would be much smaller forces, of course, and could be either opposition to the Colonial Marines or trying to attack the Aliens themselves for their own victory conditions. maybe add a game-type where it's a sort of race between both forces to get to and kill the Queen?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
And one more for today.

Have you ever been mistaken for a man?

 Balance wrote:
t seems like the 'classic' setup for an AVP game would be a squad-ish of Colonial Marines vs. a large number of respawning aliens.

Man, you put that inside a crowded spaceship, you'd have a great game

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
"troop"!="hero" though - and I am assuming both "A" and "P" to be somewhat larger than their human opponents, and priced as hero sculpts to boot. Add licensing costs and keep in mind JudgeDoug and I are arguing RRP, not KS pricing (I assume, on JD's part ), and you're well on your way there.

That RRP sounds like a great way for Prodos to regret grabbing this license. A few people are happy with $10 aliens (a horde creature) because they only want 3 or 4, so naturally that makes it a good decision for the whole company, right?

I reiterate, $5 per figure is probably too much if they want this game to have any legs at all. Otherwise, you can all have your $10 aliens line your shelves next to your Mongoose Minis Babylon 5 ships and Starship Troopers skinnies.

I was thinking more in the way of enticing us to buy more things, rather than making them more expensive.

Zwan1One wrote:
Have you ever been mistaken for a man?

No.

Have you?

Aliens is one of my all time favourite films, and the only movie I've ever bought 3 times (VHS, DVD, Digital).

If this is a KS, I could totally see buying in for some marines and aliens if there's such a tier, maybe a predator or two as an add on (Alien vs Predator: Prey was a book I enjoyed as a kid, and would totally make my own Broken Tusk), but given that my friends and I just jumped in for $Macross on the Robotech mini game KS that happened earlier this year, I don't think we'll be down for anything absurd.

S&H will also be a consideration. That's been going up, and I can't speak for anyone but myself, but man, getting reamed on shipping is getting old.

Just noticed that the Warzone KS shipped from the UK, with UK shipping rates, which practically guarantees I'll be backing this if it goes on KS

Liking the teaser with the Smart gun.

The price discussion is interesting. $10 per, is a pretty steep price, especially since you could consider most of the Colonial marines "heroes". I'm sure a fair number of folks would buy in, but I have a feeling it would be hard to sustain a game at that price. I think most folks would want more than a squad of colonial marines to play with.

Still, it's all conjecture at this point. Will be looking forward to more reveals.

Yeah lets not get to hung up on some random dakka post of an uneducated guess at the possible price.

Alright, seriously, $10 was a random arse ballpark posted by someone postulating that it would be a fine price if the game were a skirmish scale like Infinity. That is, a game where you would buy 10 dudes/dudettes/dudegendernonspecific and be done with it. If that were the scale then $7-10 per figure would probably be about right. But as we have no idea about the scale of engagement being represented, going on about how reasonable that is is kind of moot.

It may end up being platoon-scale like Warzone. It may end up being a board game where the main draw is getting a big 'ole starter box for a lump sum. It may be 40k-scale mass deployment for all we know.

So pricing discussion is kind of fruitless right now since we don't know much beyond having a pretty good idea at the license in question. Fretting too much over what hypothetical price is hypothetically reasonable for a hypothetical engagement scale in a game that hasn't even been officially announced in name is a bit premature. This may be one of those times when its better to just hang back and wait for updates instead of cluttering the thread. *shrug*

But seeing as they've posted a few prototypes... (and because I don't like posting an entirely off-topic post talking about meta-issues )

The WIP shots of the prototypes look great. You guys really learned a lot going from early Warzone stuff up until now. Can't wait to see you guys continue to produce minis for years to come and see how far the process can evolve. I really hope this is far enough away for me to consider backing it, because I would be all over this in a second with enough money.

 Ouze wrote:

Man, you put that inside a crowded spaceship, you'd have a great game

I'm thinking a very large ship; a Hulk, if you will. One of those drifting through Space would make a great setting for a game

Was pondering this earlier. Given that Predators are typically solitary hunters, the Marines generally acted in squads (duh), and the Aliens (where a Queen/hive was available) are known for acting as a Swarm, it wouldn't surprise me if that was basically how the game scaled. A small group of Predators (1-2) roughly equals a larger group of Marines (3-6?) roughly equals a larger group of Aliens (6-12?). Base the game on points (gear/training for the Predators and Humans, evolutionary advances for the Aliens, numbers of each) and it could go from small skirmish of 1 Predator vs X Marines or 2-3x Aliens (more or less based on said upgrades).

How well such a system might scale up to dozens or hundreds of figures for massed warfare might require some tweaking, but the movies, books, comics and games have generally followed fairly simple and straightforward paths along those lines.

That's just something I've been pondering these last few days, and could easily be wrong, but if you put the races down into standard game tropes, they fit pretty naturally in my opinion. Of course, I could be way off, but assuming my vague napkin math isn't too far off, it'd allow for a 20'ish figure 'starter box', and if it were a KS campaign there's always the possibility of KS exclusive or LE figures like specific marines, special variants of the Aliens, objective markers (Newt, Bishop torso, etc), it's quite a rabbit hole to go down.

 Eilif wrote:
Liking the teaser with the Smart gun.

The price discussion is interesting. $10 per, is a pretty steep price, especially since you could consider most of the Colonial marines "heroes". I'm sure a fair number of folks would buy in, but I have a feeling it would be hard to sustain a game at that price. I think most folks would want more than a squad of colonial marines to play with.

Still, it's all conjecture at this point. Will be looking forward to more reveals.

$10 a figure is pretty bog-standard for single metal/resin figures. Actually, it's a bit on the lower end.

~Tim?

I could see level's of training coming into it for the predators too. Maybe a 3-4 pack of "young blood" style hunters as oppose to the 1-2 count of an older experienced one, particularly if it nets you the option of trapping the playing field before the game starts

I could see the marines getting a similar option too, heavy walker type synths and the giant combat armours instead of a marine squad depending on how far into the universe canon outside the movies they decide to go.

 doc1234 wrote:
the option of trapping the playing field before the game starts

Now that would be interesting.

 Manchu wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
the option of trapping the playing field before the game starts

Now that would be interesting.

I could see it being either "don't go near the obvious tokens" or noting co-ordinates if it's grid/tile based. Maybe noting terrain pieces or something?

If Preds can set traps, I'd love to see this special character..

 BrookM wrote:
If Preds can set traps, I'd love to see this special character..

Then I want the option of a nuclear bomb explosion, if I lose, fair is fair

Game over man, game over!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
If Preds can set traps, I'd love to see this special character..

Then I want the option of a nuclear bomb explosion, if I lose, fair is fair

And also the ability to survive said nuclear explosion

If there is a comprehensive range of miniatures with this the prospects will be mind-boggling. Even if the official rules are terrible people are going to be all over them with home-made rulesets and adaptations of stuff already out there.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
"troop"!="hero" though - and I am assuming both "A" and "P" to be somewhat larger than their human opponents, and priced as hero sculpts to boot. Add licensing costs and keep in mind JudgeDoug and I are arguing RRP, not KS pricing (I assume, on JD's part ), and you're well on your way there.

That RRP sounds like a great way for Prodos to regret grabbing this license. A few people are happy with $10 aliens (a horde creature) because they only want 3 or 4, so naturally that makes it a good decision for the whole company, right?

I reiterate, $5 per figure is probably too much if they want this game to have any legs at all. Otherwise, you can all have your $10 aliens line your shelves next to your Mongoose Minis Babylon 5 ships and Starship Troopers skinnies.

Not at all. I have wanted high quality aliens and USCM since the early 90's, when I started wargaming (and was disappointed even then when I bought the Leading Edge 25mm figs brand new). I bought a laserdisc player when I was 16 with my minimum wage dollars and then the $100 Aliens special edition on Laserdisc, because it was the only way to see the extended version. I have an original 1986 theatrical poster framed in glass and hanging in my nerd room. I own a full set of USCM BDU's, body armor with working shoulder lamp, a pulse rifle with LED ammo counter... I'm a fething mega fan (I'm wearing that gak in my avatar pic!). If the sculpts are incredibly high quality then I have no problem paying $10 per figure for _over a hundred_ of them. I will pay for quality and accuracy.

But that's me. A ton of people are quite happy with Mantic's Men At Arms or GW's High Elves or 7th/8th Empire infantry.

And has been pointed out several times before, Prodos is charging like less than 4 bucks for their Warzone stuff.

I'm still not sure why the comment I made about not minding a high price tag for quality minis somehow became the gospel on an actual price point. Well, you said you hoped they were less than five bucks apiece, and I said "I'm hoping they're that cheap! I'm preparing to pay Mierce-level prices for (hopefully) Mierce-level sculpts. I wouldn't mind paying $10 per mini if they are excellent." which is entirely true and entirely my own opinion.

BTW when were Skinnies $10 apiece? I was Mongoose Infantry and I remember paying about 3 bucks per metal fig (8-10 figs in a box for $29.95, right?)

I think this is probably the most OP character you could have

She survived for weeks with no weapons, no equipment, and no training

 Bull0 wrote:
I think this is probably the most OP character you could have

She survived for weeks with no weapons, no equipment, and no training

Why don't you put her in charge?!

If they do not end their KS (assuming it is a KS) with Game over man, GAME OVER! It will be disappointing to say the least.

Thankyou Judgedoug and Bull0, that really made me laugh

primalexile wrote:
If they do not end their KS (assuming it is a KS) with Game over man, GAME OVER! It will be disappointing to say the least.

I'm going to assume that Prodos realizes the fanbase is rabid enough that the title of every KS update is a quote from the relevant film

Though I can pretty much quote the entirety of Aliens from beginning to end, not so much Predator or Predators (and I've seen the two AVP movies once apiece to know that I'll never watch them again)

"You're one ugly son of a..."

Pledge level: Get to the Choppa! Early Bird...

Interesting fact, shamelessly off-topic: Bill Paxton is the only actor to have been killed by an alien, a predator AND a terminator.

The KS campaign should be 17 days long...