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Yea, but why is it clearly labeled "Chaos"? Seems to me we have a heretic on our hands. Have you considered joining the repentia?

war wrote:
Yea, but why is it clearly labeled "Chaos"? Seems to me we have a heretic on our hands. Have you considered joining the repentia?

Heh. That's just a reminder in the background of what we are fighting.

I always get queasy when I see cases like that with models in them, although I'm sure it's safe!

 Shandara wrote:
I always get queasy when I see cases like that with models in them, although I'm sure it's safe!

The trays are magnetic sheeting and each model has a magnet or washer on the bottom. If you shake it, they'll fall but if you just carry it they stay standing through normal bumping and such. It makes play so much easier because you don't have to get them out of the foam, etc so on. you just pull a tray out and deploy.

For plastic models, I can hold the tray sideways and they won't fall off. For metal, it's about a 45 degree angle before things get dicey.

What do you do with vehicles? Magnetise the tracks?

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
What do you do with vehicles? Magnetise the tracks?

I am working on that right now. For the test rhino, I put magnets on the inside edge of the tracks. That was enough.

For the exorcist, however... I'm still working on how I'm going to keep that one in place. I was able to get it to stay put with 4 of the larger magnets I have but I'm experimenting with others. I will have to separately magnetize the turret. I have never glued mine down because I like it to be removable. I will probably just magnetize it and have it stick directly to the tray. That also cuts down on height, which you can see in the pic I posted.

The bastion/firestorm are actually really easy since they are just plastic. And my bastion is actually magnetized itself (you can pull it into two pieces to break it down).

Is it the tray that is magnetized, or the models? If its the tray, large steel washers placed inside tanks on the bottom are better than small magnets on the treads.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Is it the tray that is magnetized, or the models? If its the tray, large steel washers placed inside tanks on the bottom are better than small magnets on the treads.

SJ

The tray itself is magnetized. I have tried large steel washers (it is what I use for my models themselves) for the tanks and they work, but you need four and they need to be touching the tray to be effective for the exorcist. So far, I haven't found a good way of handling it without the magnets (they seem to work the best). Four heavy magnets on the tracks, that is.

Yeah leaving the turret and cockpit off th exorcist is he wayto go, allows for an extra rhino/immo if not taking an exorcist (although I'm not sure I've ever needed an extra transports over an exorcist. Have you go pics of how your bastion is magnetised? I've got one on my hobby table to build and being able to break it down would be useful. Cheers.

D

I can get a pic of it later, if I remember, for you.

So I was on their website and I want to clarify something - is the case all that you need? I saw small unit trays and need to know if they are unnecessary or if it is an additional cost.

 Inigo Montoya wrote:
So I was on their website and I want to clarify something - is the case all that you need? I saw small unit trays and need to know if they are unnecessary or if it is an additional cost.

That is an additional cost.

The case comes with four empty trays. Each empty tray fits three unit trays, etc.

I went with the diorama trays (one per tray) and then put my own magnetic sheeting on them so as to save on magnets (and because I bought it thinking it had a tin sheet and it didn't). Their unit tray way of doing things is more secure than mine because it helps keep the mini from moving. Mine is cheaper since I use washers rather than magnets to secure the majority of my minis.

edit: If you are planning real travel, I would highly suggest getting the unit trays and such from them. I only travel locally so I like my method better.


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Exorcists sorted.

Or you could just play like me & my Brit friends in my year in the UK, when I first discovered Warhammer: make a bunch of icons in MS Paint, copy and paste a sheet of 'em, print 'em out, glue them to backing made from cut-up Corn Flakes boxes, and cut 'em out. Then you can just carry 'em around in ziplock bags.

Ah yes, so much time spent to save sooooo much money.

No, we didn't play in any tournaments, how'd you guess?

I would think imaginary tokens would work just as well. On an imaginary board..

Quick question. I'd like to hear how exorcists and dominions are doing for everyone so far.

Same as before for me. Opponents fear em. Sometimes they get blown up quickly.

Last tournament I went too I rolled above average (almost every shot I had 5+ hits) and they, as they say, wrecked face.

war wrote:
Had my first tourney with the new books this past weekend. Little one at the local shop, here's the summery

My list was briefly:

Uriah
Coteaz (Codex: I)
Ordo Heretics with psyocculm, 3 skulls (Codex: I)

3 BSS squads in MM immolators
1 henchmen squad with plasma cannons, a couple psykers, a DCA and a crusader
1 henchmen squad in a chimera with a psyker, bolter and 3 plasma guns

3 dominion with as many melta as I had in my collection, so 3+ combi, 3+ combi, 2+ combi. All riding in MM immos

3 exorcists

How did the psyocculm Inquisitor do? I'm thinking of him in a 20 person blob or 4x plasma cannon devastator squad ally. BS 10 doesn't scatter vary far if shooting a psychic, and there are a few of them out there today.

 SisterSydney wrote:
Or you could just play like me & my Brit friends in my year in the UK, when I first discovered Warhammer: make a bunch of icons in MS Paint, copy and paste a sheet of 'em, print 'em out, glue them to backing made from cut-up Corn Flakes boxes, and cut 'em out. Then you can just carry 'em around in ziplock bags.

Ah yes, so much time spent to save sooooo much money.

No, we didn't play in any tournaments, how'd you guess?

Good way to try out new units without going to the expense of buying them or the confusion of proxying.

Yeah , though it would complicate "true line of sight" since they're flat.... We were doing this with Fantasy where LOS is much less of an issue.

 Inquisitor_Dunn wrote:

war wrote:
Had my first tourney with the new books this past weekend. Little one at the local shop, here's the summery

My list was briefly:

Uriah
Coteaz (Codex: I)
Ordo Heretics with psyocculm, 3 skulls (Codex: I)

3 BSS squads in MM immolators
1 henchmen squad with plasma cannons, a couple psykers, a DCA and a crusader
1 henchmen squad in a chimera with a psyker, bolter and 3 plasma guns

3 dominion with as many melta as I had in my collection, so 3+ combi, 3+ combi, 2+ combi. All riding in MM immos

3 exorcists

How did the psyocculm Inquisitor do? I'm thinking of him in a 20 person blob or 4x plasma cannon devastator squad ally. BS 10 doesn't scatter vary far if shooting a psychic, and there are a few of them out there today.

How many plasma cannons would you normally use in a setup like this?

toocool61 wrote:
Quick question. I'd like to hear how exorcists and dominions are doing for everyone so far.

Exorcists are still awesome, adding a third one made a surprising amount of difference (for the better). I am having a hard time justifying dominions now. On paper/in theory they seemed AMAZING with ignore cover, but they rarely (i.e., never) seem worth their points these days. I find myself wanting to go second more and more, so scout is usually out - and there is so much interceptor flying around that outflanking is even more of a crapshoot. Exorcists are better MC killers by far, and allied guard with a manticore/vendetta seems to be better at tank hunting - so I am at a loss on what to do with my suicide gals.

toocool61 wrote:
Quick question. I'd like to hear how exorcists and dominions are doing for everyone so far.

I can never get my Exorcists to do anything useful. They die too quickly, even from Reserves.

My Dominions, however, are another story. They are quite possibly my favorite unit in the new Codex. I like to think of them as an easy button of sorts; whatever vehicle I want gone, they make gone.

They're good at sniping small squads of powerful units, too.

Both units have proved very effective for me

The Exorcists are scary for some oppponents and combined with onrushing Dominions with lots of melta guns

Also gives some decent range! Although Likely be optioning in a Inquistor and retinue in a Valkyrie now as well

Hoitash wrote:

toocool61 wrote:
Quick question. I'd like to hear how exorcists and dominions are doing for everyone so far.

I can never get my Exorcists to do anything useful. They die too quickly, even from Reserves.

My Dominions, however, are another story. They are quite possibly my favorite unit in the new Codex. I like to think of them as an easy button of sorts; whatever vehicle I want gone, they make gone.

They're good at sniping small squads of powerful units, too.

Why, in the Emperor's name, would you reserve your exorcists? Use forts to give them a 3+ save and blaze away.

 OutlawBandit wrote:

 Inquisitor_Dunn wrote:

war wrote:
Had my first tourney with the new books this past weekend. Little one at the local shop, here's the summery

My list was briefly:

Uriah
Coteaz (Codex: I)
Ordo Heretics with psyocculm, 3 skulls (Codex: I)

3 BSS squads in MM immolators
1 henchmen squad with plasma cannons, a couple psykers, a DCA and a crusader
1 henchmen squad in a chimera with a psyker, bolter and 3 plasma guns

3 dominion with as many melta as I had in my collection, so 3+ combi, 3+ combi, 2+ combi. All riding in MM immos

3 exorcists

How did the psyocculm Inquisitor do? I'm thinking of him in a 20 person blob or 4x plasma cannon devastator squad ally. BS 10 doesn't scatter vary far if shooting a psychic, and there are a few of them out there today.

How many plasma cannons would you normally use in a setup like this?

Usually I get 3 plasma cannons. With divination in the unit its silly how much damage it causes from the backfield. add psykers to taste.

the psyocculm was meaningless against the tau, but a lot of fun against the eldar. I mentioned to the 2nd eldar player that it was in there, then rolled the 6 plasma shots. 2 2's and a 1 came up and I said "look at that, 5 hits and a re-roll" He said something along the lines of "hold on a sec, your BS 5?" , nope, BS10. I liked the investment.

So if I decide not to bring Coteaz I may go with 2 ordo heretic inquistors with psyoc's and maybe make them divination psykers. I like 2 settups so far

Settup 1:
3 plasma cannon servitors, 2 or so psykers and crusaders or acolytes based on what points i have left. Plasma acolytes are a favorite because they chew through deep strikers better than most things. Add the psyker inquisitor with a psyoc and you have divination to make the plasma re-roll 1's (unless your up against grey knights, in which case you can take whatever you get on the roll because you'll be BS10 all game anyway)

Settup 2:
3 plasma henchmen, up to 5 psykers, and a bolter henchmen in a chimera. I used a psyoc inquistior in the tourney and this settup worked well. Basically shoot out the windows until your chimera gets blown to oblivion then find cover whenever possible. I've been kicking around the idea of putting a single demonhost in there as well. its only 10 points and 1/3 of the time you'll get a decent shooting weapon out of it. You have 5 windows and I like using them all as best as I can.

With the 2nd settup you can get (at 12") 6 S7 ap2, 1 large blast at s7 ap2, and at least 2 s4 ap5 and maybe a s4 ap3 blast, or s8 ap4 shot. I would just avoid anything with 'heavy' in the name when making this unit because it'll almost always be on the move.


As for the other question about exorcists and dominion, here's my experience with them.

Together they are AWSOME!!!!! If you get the first turn on the normal board (setting up on the long sides) you can scout ahead and be in the enemies face with a TON of melta. I've killed wraithknights and riptides with contemptible ease due to shear weight of s8ap1 firepower. Even if you are against a hord type of army your still not doomed because there is almost always 1 enemy unit that NEEDS to lose models or has a character that should die. The only thing that is safe from 15 s8 ap1 ignore cover shots + 3d6 s8ap1 normal shots is the screamer star. If your playing against someone who's doing that, then roshambo them.

My normal tactic in most of the recent games i've played is to use the dominion like they are meant to be used. Throw them forward with large targets on their armor and have them make some serious waves. If the enemy is shooting at them then your BSS SCORING units are totally safe. I'm ok with losing things that can't help me win as long as they do their job first.




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btw. My theory of defense is the severe reduction of enemy shots. I know of only one way to accomplish this goal.

 pretre wrote:

Hoitash wrote:

toocool61 wrote:
Quick question. I'd like to hear how exorcists and dominions are doing for everyone so far.

I can never get my Exorcists to do anything useful. They die too quickly, even from Reserves.

My Dominions, however, are another story. They are quite possibly my favorite unit in the new Codex. I like to think of them as an easy button of sorts; whatever vehicle I want gone, they make gone.

They're good at sniping small squads of powerful units, too.

Why, in the Emperor's name, would you reserve your exorcists? Use forts to give them a 3+ save and blaze away.

Our group only gives a 4+ for Fortifications, and the way I roll it doesn't matter anyway; my Exorcists are pretty much guaranteed to A) Do nothing of use, and B) Die during my opponent's next phase.

At least my Avenger kills something before getting blown out of the sky. Usually.

Page 18: Purpose-built fortifications confer a 3+cover save and
most other things confer a 4+or 5+cover save.

Weird that your group would do that when it is so obvious. Aegis gives a 4+ because it is a defense line. All the other forts are 3+

A bastion is a great thing to hide behind. Big enough and tall enough to hide even an Avenger Strike Fighter

I'm looking at building the biggest/best deathstar with Sisters/SM or SM/Sisters using the Red Hunters chapter tactics and Inquisitor Allies.

My thoughts at the moment:

Chapter Master, bike, artificer armour, power fist, shield eternal
Celestine
Jacobus
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun, litanies of faith
20 Sisters, 2 meltas, combi plasma
Coteaz
Inquisitor, level 1 hammerhand, rad, psychotrokes, combi plasma, power armour, liber hereitcus, 3 servo skulls.

Red hunters let me put the chapter master in the blob to tank for them, and once per game will let me give the unit monster hunter/tank hunter. Prescience should make the plasma guns much more reliable.

The other combination:

12 inch scout rather than 6, and a 5++ rerollable save on the seraphim.

Chapter Master, bike, artificer armour, power fist, shield eternal
Jacobus
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun, litanies of faith
10 Seraphim, 2x2 hand flamers
Coteaz
Inquisitor, level 1 hammerhand, rad, psychotrokes, combi plasma, power armour, liber hereitcus, 3 servo skulls.

The last combination (which is SM/Sisters)

Chapter Master, bike, artificer armour, power fist, shield eternal
Librarian, bike, level 2
Celestine
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun
Priest, plasma gun, litanies of faith
6 Centurions, 6 grav cannons
Coteaz
Inquisitor, level 1 hammerhand, rad, psychotrokes, combi plasma, power armour, liber hereitcus, 3 servo skulls.

 pretre wrote:
Page 18: Purpose-built fortifications confer a 3+cover save and
most other things confer a 4+or 5+cover save.

Weird that your group would do that when it is so obvious. Aegis gives a 4+ because it is a defense line. All the other forts are 3+

Oh that's what was happening. So I should switch from ADL to Bastion?