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 BlackTalos wrote:

Imperial guards pilots? i wouldn't even trust them with my Rhinos

Well technically they'd be Imperial Navy pilots, but I still wouldn't trust 'em!

DoW

So I am finding that my best approach to my sisters against the more shooty armies is to just charge in gung ho with immolators protecting my vengeful cargo. Tau and eldar especially.

Has anyone noticed the games against tau and eldar boil down to if you can kill off their scoring units in three turns or less? (While surviving the heavy/elite shooting...)

Yeah, basically. Alpha strike with Doms, pop down the pathfinders early and then rely on their scoring to get vaped by Heavy Flamers.

Sisters are actually pretty good against Tau.

Also, let's not drag the Infiltrate YMDC argument in here. Suffice it to say that people have different opinions on it. Check with your opponent first.

Curious question, but at 1850 for a competitive list do you sacrifice troop durability for more offensive power or the reverse? What I'm talking about is including a third dominion squad with immolator or another sister squad with rhino

toocool61 wrote:
Curious question, but at 1850 for a competitive list do you sacrifice troop durability for more offensive power or the reverse? What I'm talking about is including a third dominion squad with immolator or another sister squad with rhino

why not go 5 sisters with meltagun in an immo, not as good as domi's I know but scoring.

toocool61 wrote:
Curious question, but at 1850 for a competitive list do you sacrifice troop durability for more offensive power or the reverse? What I'm talking about is including a third dominion squad with immolator or another sister squad with rhino

You know....I started out thinking I needed larger squads as well. Like foot sister list.

What I have found out time and time again the following:
1. A 5 person squad with a flame throwers and some kind of combi or plasma is a TON of firepower with bs4 for the points you pay.
2. Immolators are amazing with multi meltas. Move 12 snap fire with a reroll is not a bad way to spend two turns when you can get to objectives first.
3. Sisters in large squads are point for point one of the best backline/midfield holders. 5++ with Uriah and sooo much overwatch. Remember you can pop a faith at the beginning of the opponent assault phase to get preferred enemy. :-)
4. Dominions are your best friend. Especially with four meltas, a storm bolter or combi, and twin linked heavy flamers on an immolator.
5. That 6++ will go off eventually and when it does your opponent won't think it is worthless anymore.

The best 6++ is the re-rollable one on seraphim =P

The last time someone mocked the 6++ he felt the Emperor's Wrath as I saved 2 penetrating hits on an Exorcist..

It's random, but glorious when it happens.

I saved 3 Thunder Hammer Strikes on an Exorcist then killed the four Terminators with the missiles from the same Exorcist!

The Emperor Protects

Fun fact!
According to the epub version of the AS codex, in the reference section Exorcists are:
T 13 with 11 Wounds and fight at I 10!
An oversight (who woulda thought...) I know but still funny to think about.

Thats funny - just checked and yep they also have a 3+ armour save

And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

 McNinja wrote:
And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

Yup, never knew they were that good. Do you think we could pass it out as "Legal"? =D

I had my Excorcist destroy 2 wraiths that were gunning for my command squad. One wraith was left and the heavy bolter in my CS snap fired and killed the remaining wraith. It was the Emperor's Will.

Also, statistically I should have had the +6 save me at some time. Its only a one in 6 chance, right? For me its a 1 in 100 chance.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

Yup, never knew they were that good. Do you think we could pass it out as "Legal"? =D

Oh geez. that would be amazing.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I had my Excorcist destroy 2 wraiths that were gunning for my command squad. One wraith was left and the heavy bolter in my CS snap fired and killed the remaining wraith. It was the Emperor's Will.

Also, statistically I should have had the +6 save me at some time. Its only a one in 6 chance, right? For me its a 1 in 100 chance.

Have you read the Wiki article?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_Roll_-_A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice

Might be relevant =p

 McNinja wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

Yup, never knew they were that good. Do you think we could pass it out as "Legal"? =D

Oh geez. that would be amazing.

Given what is considered RAW round here - quite likely

He have one guy who is a very strict rules as written person. He wasn't entertained when I showed him my codex for those entries

So I am playing Grey Knights on Thursday night and thinking of this (1850pts)

HQ
Cannoness, Rosairus, Mantle, Combi-Melta, 115pts
Coteaz, 100pts
Priest, Power Mace, 40pts

Troops
Battle Sisters (5), Flamer, Hv Flamer, Immolator, MM, 140pts
Battle Sisters (5), Flamer, Hv Flamer, Immolator, MM, 140pts
Battle Sisters (5), Flamer, Multi-Melta, Rhino, 120pts
Battle Sisters (5), 2 Melta Guns, Rhino, MM, Laud Hailer, 135pts
Battle Sisters (5), 2 Melta Guns, Immolator, MM, 145pts
3 Servitors (MM), 30pts

FA
Dominon (5), 2 Melta, Immolator, MM, Laud Hailer 150pts + Canoness
Dominon (5), 3 Melta, Immolator, MM, 150pts

FT
Ageis Defence Line with Quad Gun + Coteaz and Henchmen+ Priest,

HS
Exorcist, Storm Bolter, 130pts
Exorcist, Storm Bolter, 130pts
Exorcist, Storm Bolter, 130pts

DT Transport - reserve
Valkyrie, 100pts

Thoughts - suggestions?

Changes I would make,

Drop the valk and use the point to upgrade those rhino's to immo.

I would never run a MM on a standard sister, melta gun is 10 points cheaper and has pretty much the same range when you factor in the ability to move and shoot it.

I would give the servitors HB or plasma cannons, you already have plently of tank poppers and the extra range is good.

Drop the cannoness and take Jacobus.

take the sister squads with 2 melta's and give them to the dominions (hte melta guns) Domi's do melta so much better than BS its not funny.

Just my 2 cents, (or 5 or 6 but yeh play what you want to play)

 Mythantor wrote:
Changes I would make,

I would never run a MM on a standard sister, melta gun is 10 points cheaper and has pretty much the same range when you factor in the ability to move and shoot it.

Have I missed an update? MM and Meltagun are the same cost in my codex...

Yeah, what he said...

I'm curious, but does the canoness have together with the command squad? Can she be deployed in another squad?

You have to have a Canoness to have a Command Squad but they are seperate units and can be combined or not as you will



Thanks Mythantor

Drop the valk and use the point to upgrade those rhino's to immo.
I would never run a MM on a standard sister, melta gun is 10 points cheaper and has pretty much the same range when you factor in the ability to move and shoot it.
I would give the servitors HB or plasma cannons, you already have plently of tank poppers and the extra range is good.
Drop the cannoness and take Jacobus.
take the sister squads with 2 melta's and give them to the dominions (hte melta guns) Domi's do melta so much better than BS its not funny

I have a painted Sisters Valk I want to try.
Melta gun / Multi-melta is same cost plus I often seem to be out of range when Transports are popped.
Def look at the servitors - thanks

Problem with multi meltas is the 'heavy' part. Bss squads tend to be mobile and snap firing sucks.

war wrote:
Problem with multi meltas is the 'heavy' part. Bss squads tend to be mobile and snap firing sucks.

True but the 12" range on a meltagun is very limiting as Mr Morden has suggested so it is a personal call on what works for your tactics. I tend to go for the meltaguns but I'm going to try running MM in my BS squads to see how that works out.

The other problem with Dominions is that they become fire-magnets as soon as they appear, whereas spreading your melta firepower among the BS squads does spread the risk - at the loss of concentrated fire of course.

Played an escalation game with my sisters. Threw 3 penitent engines with prescience at a lord of skulls and dropped it to 2 hull points in one round of CC before the flying daemon prince swooped in and prevented my remaining engine from finishing him off. Good times.

dadakkaest wrote:
Played an escalation game with my sisters. Threw 3 penitent engines with prescience at a lord of skulls and dropped it to 2 hull points in one round of CC before the flying daemon prince swooped in and prevented my remaining engine from finishing him off. Good times.

Hey, more details! What else?

I wonder how a full melta list would work out. Basically go with the 3 x dominion (4 melta, 1 combi-melta) in immos (HF or MM), at least 3 x BSS with 2x melta and a combi melta in immos (probably MM on them). Sprinkle in exorcists whenever possible and some random character.

In truth the only thing it would have trouble with would be against hords. Drag along a couple squads of arco-flags and that problem is likely solved.


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BSS with melta is kinda nice because you have what amounts to the twin-linked little squads that the doms use to be. Its not quite the same thing, but its nice to also re-roll those 1's to wound

war wrote:
I wonder how a full melta list would work out. Basically go with the 3 x dominion (4 melta, 1 combi-melta) in immos (HF or MM), at least 3 x BSS with 2x melta and a combi melta in immos (probably MM on them). Sprinkle in exorcists whenever possible and some random character.

In truth the only thing it would have trouble with would be against hords. Drag along a couple squads of arco-flags and that problem is likely solved.

It would be hell on wheels against armour but again you have that short range thing going on so your immolators have to survive at least one turn of shooting - assuming you go first.

Fun to try though