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Isn't that the Scots Greys at Waterloo?

I stand corrected (didn't bother to read the caption at the bottom of the pic)

Anyway...Back on topic.

I've been running the Jaco/Priest blob with a couple of inquisitors for a while now, and I'm starting to feel like it's not all that as it's really quite difficult to get into combat (once people know what it can do they stay away from it!). Admitidly I haven't been running in my shooting phase with them to get them to move quicker as I find having the shots is worth it...

How does everyone else feel about the Jaco/priest bomb at the minute? And how can I improve my chances of getting it into combat!

D

Scout book on an inquisitor would help. The good part is that it can take up a huge chunk of the middle of the board that your opponent now has to stay 12" away from if he doesn't want to get trapped in H2H. That's a pretty big deal.

"Scout book" = Liber Heresius?

Yeah. Book of 6" into No Mans Land.

Can you use the book to outflank?

It gives you scout, so yeah.

Hey,

Would this be viable to use alongside roughly 500-800 more points of Sisters?

Retributor Squad
4 Heavy Bolters
Aegis Defence Line
Quad-gun
Total: 200pts

My idea would be to place the retributors inside the Aegis line (duh), although I'm uncertain whether to fully surround them or use a line or horseshoe shape instead. They will attempt to fire at targets 36"-24" away, to make ideal use of their longer range. The superior will fire the Quad-gun, and together with the rending they have a decent chance of destroying a vehicle with an exposed side.
Brace yourselves, math is coming:
However, it's real strength still lies in the fact that it's a solid firebase able to deal long-range damage (9 wounds against a T3 4+ AS unit) each turn.
Their other advantage is that they're highly survivable (3+ armour and 4+ cover), and even if they're destroyed, another unit can take their place.
Also, I've been toying with the idea of adding a combi-flamer for some extra overwatch damage.

My concerns with this are:
- I hear everyone say 'don't get a static firebase while playing sisters'
- It's somewhat expensive for use in small games
- I haven't seen anyone use it before so it might not be that useful
- Their firepower, points-wise, is not that great (you could buy 17 sisters for the same price)

So, what do you think?

During the reign of the White Dwarf codex I always used the HB Retributor with a Quadgun and it was actually very common for those of us that didn't like the triple Exorcist. The damage output of that unit was great and was perfectly suited for dealing with light to heavy infantry as well as light vehicles.

However in the new AS codex The retributor squad not only got more expensive but much less effective due to 1 act of faith per game.

While you won't see it as much anymore it certainly is still a viable strat.

Also, does the rending rule apply to the quad-gun too in the turn they use their AoF? I'd say so as the turret is defined as a weapon the model uses, but just asking to be sure.

I run a command squad with 3 HB's on an Aegis with my canoness on the quad. Not quite what you do, but it works for me for AA and holding the back field.
The rending on the quad with a ret squad was pretty cool back in the day though.

 Madcat87 wrote:
However in the new AS codex The retributor squad not only got more expensive but much less effective due to 1 act of faith per game..

Well, unless you take a Simulacrum. At 10 points it's worth the price, I think.

The bigger nerf to HB Rets is that heavy bolters have doubled in price -- which just means we don't get a discount on them compared to other codexes, but, yeah, it means a 4-HB squad is suddenly 20 points more expensive.

Retributors are slightly more expensive, but so much more reliable now.

So many times I needed them to get their Rend to go off and I would fail that 4+ roll.. and then fail the simulacrum reroll as well.

Stick them with Uriah and a Simulacrum now with a Laud Hailer Exorcist nearby and you can reliably get 3 turns of rending when you actually need them.


On a different topic however, I've been reading that the Repressor has once again been updated in the new release of IA2?

Apparently they restored the firing points on the side to allow for 3 models to shoot per side on top of the two hatch weapons? I unfortunately do not own the book and I would be amazed if anyone did just for the repressor rules, but it would be awesome if someone could confirm it.

 pretre wrote:
Scout book on an inquisitor would help. The good part is that it can take up a huge chunk of the middle of the board that your opponent now has to stay 12" away from if he doesn't want to get trapped in H2H. That's a pretty big deal.

Yeah I've been using the 'Scout book' it's worth the points just for that, I've rarely used the other special rules (although split fire can be useful). I haven't tried using the book to outflank them, may do that next time I come up against a double helldrake list at my club. Evan with Jacogiving the AS units a 5++ drakes can still pull the squad apart.

I love the double xenos inquisitor, give them both rad and phychotroke (for redundancy) and double hammerhand in the blob, it allows them to hit so much harder. If only the rads stacked to make the h toughness mcs easier to handle.

I think I'll have to start running the blob for atleast the first couple of turns to maximise the board control element, but I do find a unit with such a large footprint unwieldy.

D

 pretre wrote:
It gives you scout, so yeah.

I'm pretty sure that you can't outflank with the book. This question came up when the book came out and I was talking it over with a local TO. Basically he said that you roll for the scout book after you place the unit on the field. Because its already on the field, it negates the option to outflank. Seemed logical to me, so i've been playing it that way.

Brother Michael wrote:
Hey,

Would this be viable to use alongside roughly 500-800 more points of Sisters?

Retributor Squad
4 Heavy Bolters
Aegis Defence Line
Quad-gun
Total: 200pts

My idea would be to place the retributors inside the Aegis line (duh), although I'm uncertain whether to fully surround them or use a line or horseshoe shape instead. They will attempt to fire at targets 36"-24" away, to make ideal use of their longer range. The superior will fire the Quad-gun, and together with the rending they have a decent chance of destroying a vehicle with an exposed side.
Brace yourselves, math is coming:

Spoiler:

Say it's AV 11, so 12*(2/3)=8 and 8/6 is a four-third chance of a penetrating hit. Also, the quad gun will hit 8/3 shots, resulting in 4/9 glancing hits and 8/9 penetrating hits. Together, they score an average 8/3 hits of which (on average) over two are penetrating, resulting in a total chance of roughly 50% to destroy a 3 HP AV 11 vehicle, and probably badly maiming it otherwise.

However, it's real strength still lies in the fact that it's a solid firebase able to deal long-range damage (9 wounds against a T3 4+ AS unit) each turn.
Their other advantage is that they're highly survivable (3+ armour and 4+ cover), and even if they're destroyed, another unit can take their place.
Also, I've been toying with the idea of adding a combi-flamer for some extra overwatch damage.

My concerns with this are:
- I hear everyone say 'don't get a static firebase while playing sisters'
- It's somewhat expensive for use in small games
- I haven't seen anyone use it before so it might not be that useful
- Their firepower, points-wise, is not that great (you could buy 17 sisters for the same price)

So, what do you think?

Personally, and with a few games to back it up, I'd say 2 Exorcists & Avenger works really well for 430 Points. Because that fills up the HS org chart, i just don't take retributors, as some have said, with the new AS codex they are not worth the slot compared to the other choices.

I DO like a lot of heavy bolters though, so take a 5 HB Command Squad.
the 5th Bolter is 10 points, so you pay an extra 5 points to get WS4 (not really important, but could be), 2 A (again only if you ever live through CC), but Ld9, so that even if 1-2 sisters with Heavy Bolters are left, you're still on a 9 without paying for VSS.
They also give you the choice of Dialogus & Relics if you want to (In the middle of your Aegis line and within your main firing squad...).

Personally, between that & taking up a HS choice, I'd rather not have rending for 1 turn (or 2 for 10pts). Maybe if you're on the quad gun and playing <1000 points and have a spare HS choice slot, then yeah, why not...

war wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It gives you scout, so yeah.

I'm pretty sure that you can't outflank with the book. This question came up when the book came out and I was talking it over with a local TO. Basically he said that you roll for the scout book after you place the unit on the field. Because its already on the field, it negates the option to outflank. Seemed logical to me, so i've been playing it that way.

That's a good point

"* Instead of being made at the start of a friendly turn, the Leadership test to use this special rule is made after deployment, but before the first turn begins"

I guess you could put them in outflank reserve and then if you fail the check come in normal reserve, but that's sketchy.


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Brother Michael wrote:
Hey,

Would this be viable to use alongside roughly 500-800 more points of Sisters?

Retributor Squad
4 Heavy Bolters
Aegis Defence Line
Quad-gun
Total: 200pts

Get a Bastion instead. Superior to the Aegis both in fire power and survivability.

Instead of 4 HB, think 5-6 HB, 1 with Precision. And if your opponent uses SHA, you can fire the quad on top from inside as well.

 pretre wrote:
Instead of 4 HB, think 5-6 HB, 1 with Precision. And if your opponent uses SHA, you can fire the quad on top from inside as well.

5-6? from the bastion? Precision, how? SHA?

sorry, not familiar with all terms.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Instead of 4 HB, think 5-6 HB, 1 with Precision. And if your opponent uses SHA, you can fire the quad on top from inside as well.

5-6? from the bastion? Precision, how? SHA?

sorry, not familiar with all terms.

Depending on angle, you can get 1-2 of the emplaced Heavy Bolters to work for you (since they are one per side). That combined with the 4 you have, gives you 5-6. If your superior uses one of the emplaced ones, she gets precision shots, which is pretty nice. Nowadays, with Stronghold Assault, you could have 5-6 HB and give the superior control of the emplaced quad gun on the roof. That's just a crazy amount of pain. Put Uriah in there for a 12" fearless bubble and extra faith check.

That does sound pretty amazing, and a good combo for Retributors. Would not work as well with the Command Squad setup...

Also, never played a bastion, but is there not an issue with firing points? (max 4, even if you put the 2 windowed wall side by side) Or are they standing on the roof? (if so, who fires emplaced HBs?)

If you ally, i've heard Coteaz is amazing to add to that bublle =P

 BlackTalos wrote:
That does sound pretty amazing, and a good combo for Retributors. Would not work as well with the Command Squad setup...

Also, never played a bastion, but is there not an issue with firing points? (max 4, even if you put the 2 windowed wall side by side) Or are they standing on the roof? (if so, who fires emplaced HBs?)

If you ally, i've heard Coteaz is amazing to add to that bublle =P

They are inside. You get 2 shots out each window. Each side generally has 2 windows on it and (depending on assembly), 1-2 more on the bottom part of the model. All you really need is two windows though since you have 4 HB firing out Fire Points, 1-2 firing emplaced and a quad gun firing from the roof.

I usually put a sister squad on the roof to fire the quad/icarus, but that isn't needed anymore with SHA.

I'm having more luck with sisters then priest spam with uriah.

10-15 sisters with a null rod inquisitor and uriah, then another similar unit with a book priest instead of uriah.

With a midfield placed aegis line that is alot of space to avoid vs just the single uriah unit.

I play them weak side/strong side since Uriah's unit will have 5+ invulns with his warlord trait.

Has anyone run up against Escalation yet? I love superheavies and am sad we don't have any (so, gonna homebrew some), but given all our S8 AP1 I suspect we're in pretty good shape vs. giant honking tanks. Hello, scouting Dominions versus rear armor!

Don't know about giant monsters, though.

And I would think people's past experiences with Apocalypse would both apply and make up for the lack of actual Escalation play so far given how new the book is.

FW gets us a whole bunch of SH for Escalation.

Forge World makes Sororitas Superheavies? I know nothing about it -- what are they and where do I find them?

No, but we got access to a variety of Lords of War including Warhounds.

Warhounds and Reaver titans basically.

Still sore about not being able to put in a Baneblade... I will get one and ask my enemy every game if i can field it if we do escalation though =P

 pretre wrote:
It gives you scout, so yeah.

Can you use the book when you're off the table? because it says choose the special rule at the beginning of the turn.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Warhounds and Reaver titans basically.

Still sore about not being able to put in a Baneblade... I will get one and ask my enemy every game if i can field it if we do escalation though =P

Baneblades for me too. Giant walkers with improbable ground pressure operated by the crypto-heretics of the Cult Mechanicus? Bah! I want a Stormlord chassis with the troop bay converted into a temple complete with minaret!