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So, earlier today I was trying to come up with a list. I noticed the Stormlord counts as open topped for the purposes of assaulting out of it, though I think even with 7e's permissiveness on force org, the AM detachment would have to be a full combined arms detachment to take one.

So, if I shove 1 CCS, 2 Vet squads in there (probably 10x melta or plasma guns) and a min BSS.

I'd still have room for about 10 more models and roughly 625 points.

I was thinking Hammerhand + Rad Grenades Inquisitor + Priest with the book that makes priests auto-succeed at their War Hymns.

Then I'm still short an HQ. One possibility was:

1 Cannoness, with the 4++ and EW and an Eviscerator.
1 Command squad with the banner, Hospitaller, and 3 power weapons
2 more priests with maces.

Depending on what the Inq and squad's power weapons are there's a lot of AP2 swings in there at decent strength espcially since everyone involved is at +1 attacks from the banner. At more than 1500 points anyone within 12" of the tank while they're embarked gets that too.

I think i had enough points for 2 wyverns, which means the army would literally deploy one really big tank, and two wyverns and everything else would be embarked at the start.

I also considered dropping the command squad, getting 3 primaris psykers, fishing through sanctic for the thing that makes saves 1 better and the +2 Hammerhand. The upside of that is that fully buffed the Cannoness would be swinging at S8 AP2 with rerollable 3++ in melee, while the squad would now boast 4 force weapons and however many AP2 attacks smashing priests could bring.

(Oh, and toss in 3 crusaders who would be rerollable 2++ in melee riding in an assault super heavy.)

The problem I have is that a mobile force could use the terrain hide out of LoS and outscore me. A normal opponent, I'd probably just roll over in an uninteresting way. Also, I'm pretty sure bringing a rerollable 2++ star inside a super heavy at 1500 would make me TFG.

I suspect it'd be one of those "win spectacularly or lose spectacularly" things, since almost all your eggs are in one (superheavy) basket. This list is actually quite weak against heavy tanks, because the Stormlord's main gun is only S:6 AP:3, meaning you'll never even glance AV:13 -- and you'll never cause an Explodes! result against any vehicle on the new vehicle damage table. MSU will also be a problem, at least until your infantry squads dismount and get some distance from the Stormlord so they can cover more targets. And with so little infantry, you'll have trouble with objectives, although less so than in the last edition. Basically I suspect you'll have three probable outcomes: table your opponent, lose on objectives, or get shot to pieces by heavy armour such as Leman Russes and Imperial Knights.

The Stormlord does have Lascannons on the sponsons, I think.

Gotta pay extra for 'em.

And even so, lascannons are not exacly one-shot-one-kill against serious tanks.

If you need an HQ, just take Jacobus. He's a priest +.

 pretre wrote:
If you need an HQ, just take Jacobus. He's a priest +.

True, but worth significantly less if not the warlord. Are you going to use SoB as your primary?

I could if I threw in a second troop squad. I'd have to to take Jacobus, but other than making my squads fearless after they leave the tank he doesn't seem that good.

He certainly doesn't address my big weaknesses: long-range anti-tank, 10 melta guns on the IG should make short work of short range anti-tank. If the canonness doesn't. It also does nothing against highly mobile enemies. I have visions of eldar jet bikes turbo boosting from LoS blocking terrain to LoS blocking terrain.

Really, I think what this comes down to is in wish I could take the big tank in the Sisters detachment and be more free about how I spend the rest of the points.

This all really started as yet another attempt of mine to stick our +1 attack banner somewhere where it wouldn't be insta killed.


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I guess an alternative approach would have been to bring some guys who can repair the tank along with 3 servitors. Put the sister squad(s) in rhinos and have them contest stuff on a different part of the board (assuming anything that can stay out of LoS is small enough to deal with with a couple melta guns and some bolters).

There is nothing in the rulebook that prevents you from taking Jacobus as your warlord now. I could not find any mentions of it needing to be the model with the highest leadership as was stipulated in 6th.

But if Jacobus is in an allied detachment rather than the primary, I don't think he can be warlord....

The model you take as your warlord determines which detachment is your primary, with all restrictions that apply then.

I think I can still take the tank in a non-primary detachment, but then both of those need to have 2 troops.

Yeah, 1 HQ + 2 Troops is the minimum for a "combined arms detachment" that grants you the old FOC (max: 2 HQ, 6 Troops, 3 each Elite, FA, & HS) plus 1 Lord o'War & 1 Fortification. You can take as many such detachments as you want, from different armies.

The Allied FOC is still a thing, same minima and maxima as before, but you don't need to take it to have two allied armies.

I think.

Yeah, I was just trying to avoid being forced into 2 HQs 4 troops after spending 585 points on a LoW. Oh well, I have a feeling our command squad doesn't need a ride that pimped out or rather can't really have enough stuff to buff with the banner once that many points have been spent.

If you are seriously considering the Stormlord, i would suggest spending the extra 100pts to get the 4 Lascannons.

Something most baneblade players forget.

Personally i check agreement with my opponent to also get +1 BS for the 30pts upgrade (from the Shadowsword stats) but thats only cause it's pimped out with SoB icons everywhere =P

Hello guys, I want to add some sisters to my AM. So far I have only bought 1 cannoness and 10 sisters. I was planning on getting 10 more sisters and either fly them on the valkyries or buy them their pimped out rhinos. Should I go that route or buy something else from their army. This will be an allied detachment most likely.

I think the sisters are cheap and would help with securing objectives in maelstorm missions.

My army will probably be AM + some sisters + 1 knight. Probably a stormlord down the line to replace the knight.

If you're going cheap sisters as allies, get Jacobus or Celestine for any blobs in your AM, 10-20 sisters plus rhinos/immos for Troops or Dominions

 ashikenshin wrote:
Hello guys, I want to add some sisters to my AM. So far I have only bought 1 cannoness and 10 sisters. I was planning on getting 10 more sisters and either fly them on the valkyries or buy them their pimped out rhinos. Should I go that route or buy something else from their army. This will be an allied detachment most likely.

I think the sisters are cheap and would help with securing objectives in maelstorm missions.

My army will probably be AM + some sisters + 1 knight. Probably a stormlord down the line to replace the knight.

I think some cheap effective sisters will be a squad of 5 or 6 in an immolater built up to your liking. For example you can take a basic squad with a heavy flamer immolater and give the squad a flamer and heavy flamer. the take a fast attack of dominions and give them 4 melta guns riding in a TL multi-melta immolater that has outflank. I don't know if they are too well liked in general but I love my retributory squad in a TL heavy bolter immo and I equip them with 4 heavy bolters, great for planting on an objective and ruining a squads day. Overall these small squads are good at one thing but they do it very well and are reasonably affordable. Not to mention you get the (IMO) good looking sisters models and immolater tank models and all the AW/6++ and faith abilities. I love my canoness, rosaries and eviscerator make for a fun time swinging away. Dress her up with an artefact cloak, and you got a vicious little martyr. These sugestions I think will do nicely for the mobile maelstrom objective snaggers you're looking for.

I really like spamming sisters in immolators right now.

cannoness

5 celestians 2 meltas, immolator X3
5 sisters 2 meltas, immolator x 6
5 dominions, 4 meltas immolator, x3

it maximizes MSU AND gives you a hard punch in every unit. Arm the immolators to your meta game (heavy flamers or twin linked meltas).... and you're set.

I feel like 7th gave MSU sisters the push we needed

Clearly I need more Melta battle sisters...

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I need more immolators.....and meltas.....

Which weapon are you taking for the immolators?

So far all Melta for me...

BSS with Flamer & heavy flamer make Flamer Immos not really a choice at the moment...

I would add in a bunch of flamers in half the BSS units. Also, I'd trade the Celestians for Exorcists.

 pretre wrote:
I would add in a bunch of flamers in half the BSS units. Also, I'd trade the Celestians for Exorcists.

Agreed

Or you could trade on of the Celestian units for a command squad with up to 5 meltas!!

Mavnas wrote:
Or you could trade on of the Celestian units for a command squad with up to 5 meltas!!

I guess if you're buying a canoness anyways... The exorcists are still a better choice though.

2500 points. I want to play a fluffy close combat oriented list since my order is the Bloody Rose and they are known for it. I want to keep it semi-competitive.

I am good with Sisters and Inquisition codex.

Looking for ideas.

My meta right now is mostly:

Daemons and all their 7th ed shenanigans
Chaos space marines
Tau
Space Marines
Imperial guards.

Voldrak wrote:
2500 points. I want to play a fluffy close combat oriented list since my order is the Bloody Rose and they are known for it. I want to keep it semi-competitive.

I am good with Sisters and Inquisition codex.

Looking for ideas.

My meta right now is mostly:

Daemons and all their 7th ed shenanigans
Chaos space marines
Tau
Space Marines
Imperial guards.

2 Psy-Crusaders filled with DCA/Crus/Priests
1 Inquisitors grenade caddy with Liber
Coteaz
3 Dominions
2 Exorcists
1 Retributor with HB in a Bastion or Firestorm Redoubt
Fill the rest with SOB squads (5 with HF/F in Rhino)

Brother Michael wrote:
Which weapon are you taking for the immolators?

Yeah it's really gotta be MM on the immos with this dex. I used to run HF immos back in Codex: Witch Hunter days, when Immos were fast if I remember correctly. I used the HB quite often during the WD dex, as you got rerolls to hit and wound, which made them pretty tasty. The current digi dex is all about the MM though.

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