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I would swap some of the scoring for dominions and maybe exorcists. Scoring is nice but killing is nicer.

How are you getting 15 super-scoring units? I see 12 between the BSS and their DT Immies, but the Knights don't super-score.

SJ

I am making the Knights the Primary Detachment with one if the Knights being the Warlord.

I can swap two of my Sisters+Immolator for two Exorcists for the same points, would this make the list better?
That would make it 3 Knights, 2 Exorcists, 4 Immolators plus the girls. Better?

That would be pretty decent.

Since your Knights are all Paladins, i.e. ones with long-range guns, you might not actually need Exorcists -- and yes that seems like heresy i know i know don't burn me please don't burn me.

I'd agree with Petre: your best bet is to swap 2 or even 3 troop squads for Dominions to get Scouting, Ignores Cover melta goodness. That would mean less flamer power, so you might want to switch some of the Immolators from TL MM to TL HF to compensate -- probably 1-2 of the BSS Immos since by the time they get in range the Paladins and Dominions have hopefully murdered everything with high AV.

 davidgr33n wrote:
I am making the Knights the Primary Detachment with one if the Knights being the Warlord.

I can swap two of my Sisters+Immolator for two Exorcists for the same points, would this make the list better?
That would make it 3 Knights, 2 Exorcists, 4 Immolators plus the girls. Better?

Not sure you understood my point: Knights cannot get Objective Secured. I was pointing out that your statement of having 15 ObSec units was incorrect, as you only had 12 listed.

SJ

So I may have to buy a crap ton of drop pods. SW get them as fast attack.

Drop pod dominions.
Drop pod easy bake retributors.

Drool.

Can anyone tell me what the sisters of battle are? Are they like the female counterparts to the Astartes? But a battle-sister is not as good as a Space Marine!

I suggest checking out the mainrulebooks which have a good description.

lliu wrote:
But a battle-sister is not as good as a Space Marine!

No, they aren't. They're better.


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 pretre wrote:
So I may have to buy a crap ton of drop pods. SW get them as fast attack.

Drop pod dominions.
Drop pod easy bake retributors.

Drool.

I wonder if I could convince my opponents that Penitent Engines are basically Dreadnoughts....

I could see some Battle Conclaves. 9 + priest + drop pod is still under 200. Throw in enough 3++ in the mix to make shooting them hard. Now, you've either drawn a lot of fire or your opponent's given your deathcult assassins free reign. All without paying for a Land Raider.

GoonBandito wrote:

lliu wrote:
But a battle-sister is not as good as a Space Marine!

I wonder if I could convince my opponents that Penitent Engines are basically Dreadnoughts....

One can only dream.......

Mavnas wrote:
I could see some Battle Conclaves. 9 + priest + drop pod is still under 200. Throw in enough 3++ in the mix to make shooting them hard. Now, you've either drawn a lot of fire or your opponent's given your deathcult assassins free reign. All without paying for a Land Raider.

Meh. I like Retributors much better. A ton of rending flamer templates will take care of pretty much anything. Giving them a precision drop is just crazy good.

I feel like I've been neglecting my Rets. It looks like Heavy Flamers are the best weapon for them if they're in a vehicle (most likely a Repressor?), and if you just want them to sit somewhere, Heavy Bolters?

 Hoitash wrote:
I feel like I've been neglecting my Rets. It looks like Heavy Flamers are the best weapon for them if they're in a vehicle (most likely a Repressor?), and if you just want them to sit somewhere, Heavy Bolters?

Heavy Bolters are just the best weapons for Rets. Put them in a bastion with 2 extra girls and a Simulacrum and you're golden.

Heavy Flamers suffer from 'getting to the target' issues. No one in their right mind will allow them to get across the board no matter what you put them in (except a drop pod!).

Oh right, Bastions. If only they didn't require a different book to use these days....

 Hoitash wrote:
Oh right, Bastions. If only they didn't require a different book to use these days....

/shrug

It's well worth it, imo.

Yeah, I just have to take the quad gun.

Even fired by a Canonness, that blasted lascannon never did me any good.

 Hoitash wrote:
Yeah, I just have to take the quad gun.

Even fired by a Canonness, that blasted lascannon never did me any good.

Forget the quad-gun. I've been taking the Ammo Dump (reroll 1's for all units within 2" of the ammo dump marker).

Place it 2" away from the bastion and then position Exorcists around it. Rets and Exorcists all reroll 1's.

Waaaaay too many flyers in my area to not take the quad gun. I stick jacobus in the bastion and the rets use his AoF first turn, then on turn two when flyers are on the board he runs up to the roof to chuck norris some birds. Leaving the rets in the bastion with 2 more AoF.

Which is in itself an interesting question: are Sisters better of firing from what little distance they can, or should they charge up and let the bolters rip, ah la fluff?

 deviantduck wrote:
Waaaaay too many flyers in my area to not take the quad gun. I stick jacobus in the bastion and the rets use his AoF first turn, then on turn two when flyers are on the board he runs up to the roof to chuck norris some birds. Leaving the rets in the bastion with 2 more AoF.

Two things. One, the quad isn't that big a help. Two, since Stronghold Assault, the bastion can fire the quad from inside.


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 Hoitash wrote:
Which is in itself an interesting question: are Sisters better of firing from what little distance they can, or should they charge up and let the bolters rip, ah la fluff?

In general, if you can't wipe it out, don't get close.

More specifically, she who bails, fails. I.e. Stay in your transport.

Jacobus could fire the quadgun from inside the bastion? This is news to me.

 pretre wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
I feel like I've been neglecting my Rets. It looks like Heavy Flamers are the best weapon for them if they're in a vehicle (most likely a Repressor?), and if you just want them to sit somewhere, Heavy Bolters?

Heavy Bolters are just the best weapons for Rets. Put them in a bastion with 2 extra girls and a Simulacrum and you're golden.

Heavy Flamers suffer from 'getting to the target' issues. No one in their right mind will allow them to get across the board no matter what you put them in (except a drop pod!).

While I have generally frowned upon flamers so far, I'd be curious to see 4 heavy flamers (with Rending!!) in action if I could deepstrike the unit in.

Any model can shoot the quad gun from inside the bastion now. Thats the latest update in stronghold assault.


Did I read this right as well? Spacewolves have access to drop pods in fast slot that are not dedicated transports?

Voldrak wrote:
Did I read this right as well? Spacewolves have access to drop pods in fast slot that are not dedicated transports?

Yes.

Prepare for our new overlords, drop-podding Centurions. With flavored psyker included.

Still it makes for a better Dominion delivery system.

Yeah, DP Cents are going to be nasty.

What is the cheapest HQ/Troop tax to go along with the drop pods, though?

Personally, I think I'd take a Wolf Priest and stick him in the pod too. Try to get some witchfires on him since they can be fired at a different target from the main shooting attack. This could give a chance to soften up other big threats to the unit. Ideally, I'd like to drop some melta doms and have them survive to shoot again.